Bonkers GPS

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 03:00:17 +0000 (UTC), news13
<newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:16:46 +1000, Jeßus wrote:


Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away from
his fucking phone.

Welcome to the wonderful modern world where you communicate with the
world entirely through some mobile device. At one stage, people waiting
for lifts at least acknowledged those around them, but now it is totally
eyes to the screen playing some stupid game or reading the faeces or twat
feeds.

And I want to kill those people.

 

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:00:59 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 24/08/2014 11:00 AM, news13 wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:16:46 +1000, Jeßus wrote:


Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away from
his fucking phone.

Welcome to the wonderful modern world where you communicate with the
world entirely through some mobile device. At one stage, people waiting
for lifts at least acknowledged those around them, but now it is totally
eyes to the screen playing some stupid game or reading the faeces or twat
feeds.


Worse is that they think it is "social" networking.

The more they connect with their stupid devices the more they disconnect
from the real world and society.

Exactly. Although I wouldn't consider cities and suburbs as the 'real
world' either.

 

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:21:38 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:09:58 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 21/08/2014 6:30 AM, Jeßus wrote:
On 20 Aug 2014 21:43:30 GMT, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2014-08-20, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible for satelites to go bonkers for a while on a fairly fine day?

satellites are pretty reliable hardware, the only temporary outages
I'm aware of as sun outages, but GPS should be immune to that.

All this afternoon my GPS went up and down in speed registration and
zero speed for lengths of time, put me on totally different roads, gave
ridiculous directions (between Bargo and Mount Druit)is it my unit or
could the signal be weird? I have had GPSs for a long while and have
never seen the like before.
On the way home at night from Trivia it behaved normally.

Could be "regional denial" either some goon with an intentional or
unintentional jammer or a legit military exercise.


I have a jammer, tried it on my Navman and it didn't behave that way,
only effect appeared to be losing the satellite.


Some GPS's may behave differently, and maybe some jammers work
differently in terms of what effect they cause?

Probably.

I didn't know these were in use by truck drivers and others.

Neither did I (re: the truckies).

I was compelled to buy one because I can't stand fuckwits staring into
a tiny screen no matter where they are or what they're doing.

Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away
from his fucking phone.

Is a phone jammer the same as a GPS jammer?

The ones I've seen, including the one I have, all seem to cover
multiple frequencies, including phones, wifi and GPS.

 

[Gordon Levi]

Jeßus <none@all.org> wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:09:58 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 21/08/2014 6:30 AM, Jeßus wrote:
On 20 Aug 2014 21:43:30 GMT, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2014-08-20, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible for satelites to go bonkers for a while on a fairly fine day?

satellites are pretty reliable hardware, the only temporary outages
I'm aware of as sun outages, but GPS should be immune to that.

All this afternoon my GPS went up and down in speed registration and
zero speed for lengths of time, put me on totally different roads, gave
ridiculous directions (between Bargo and Mount Druit)is it my unit or
could the signal be weird? I have had GPSs for a long while and have
never seen the like before.
On the way home at night from Trivia it behaved normally.

Could be "regional denial" either some goon with an intentional or
unintentional jammer or a legit military exercise.


I have a jammer, tried it on my Navman and it didn't behave that way,
only effect appeared to be losing the satellite.


Some GPS's may behave differently, and maybe some jammers work
differently in terms of what effect they cause?

Probably.

I didn't know these were in use by truck drivers and others.

Neither did I (re: the truckies).

I was compelled to buy one because I can't stand fuckwits staring into
a tiny screen no matter where they are or what they're doing.

Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away
from his fucking phone.

None of those people were doing you any harm at all. Why do you want
to prevent them using their phone?

Instead of watching people mow their lawn you could usefully use your
own phone to learn the difference between jamming GPS signals and
jamming mobile phone signals. After that you could learn the futility
of jamming mobile phone signals to prevent people using their phone to
play Angry Birds or read a book.

 

[Xeno]

On 24/08/2014 4:39 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Jeßus <none@all.org> wrote:

<snip>

Neither did I (re: the truckies).

I was compelled to buy one because I can't stand fuckwits staring into
a tiny screen no matter where they are or what they're doing.

Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away
from his fucking phone.

None of those people were doing you any harm at all. Why do you want
to prevent them using their phone?

Instead of watching people mow their lawn you could usefully use your
own phone to learn the difference between jamming GPS signals and
jamming mobile phone signals. After that you could learn the futility
of jamming mobile phone signals to prevent people using their phone to
play Angry Birds or read a book.

Spot on! LOL

--

Xeno

 

[news13]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:00:59 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 24/08/2014 11:00 AM, news13 wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:16:46 +1000, Jeßus wrote:


Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away
from his fucking phone.

Welcome to the wonderful modern world where you communicate with the
world entirely through some mobile device. At one stage, people waiting
for lifts at least acknowledged those around them, but now it is
totally eyes to the screen playing some stupid game or reading the
faeces or twat feeds.


Worse is that they think it is "social" networking.

The more they connect with their stupid devices the more they disconnect
from the real world and society.

I'm getting to the stage where I'm going to start taking my hat off and
talk into it. If nothing else, it might get me an empty lift.

 

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:39:09 +1000, Gordon Levi
<gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Jeßus <none@all.org> wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:09:58 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 21/08/2014 6:30 AM, Jeßus wrote:
On 20 Aug 2014 21:43:30 GMT, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2014-08-20, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible for satelites to go bonkers for a while on a fairly fine day?

satellites are pretty reliable hardware, the only temporary outages
I'm aware of as sun outages, but GPS should be immune to that.

All this afternoon my GPS went up and down in speed registration and
zero speed for lengths of time, put me on totally different roads, gave
ridiculous directions (between Bargo and Mount Druit)is it my unit or
could the signal be weird? I have had GPSs for a long while and have
never seen the like before.
On the way home at night from Trivia it behaved normally.

Could be "regional denial" either some goon with an intentional or
unintentional jammer or a legit military exercise.


I have a jammer, tried it on my Navman and it didn't behave that way,
only effect appeared to be losing the satellite.


Some GPS's may behave differently, and maybe some jammers work
differently in terms of what effect they cause?

Probably.

I didn't know these were in use by truck drivers and others.

Neither did I (re: the truckies).

I was compelled to buy one because I can't stand fuckwits staring into
a tiny screen no matter where they are or what they're doing.

Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away
from his fucking phone.

None of those people were doing you any harm at all. Why do you want
to prevent them using their phone?

Because it's fucking rude to begin with, and to be honest, I hold them
in great contempt. That's why.

Instead of watching people mow their lawn you could usefully use your
own phone to learn the difference between jamming GPS signals and
jamming mobile phone signals.

You stupid cunt. The difference is irrelevant, most jammers cover the
relevant frequencies for both.

After that you could learn the futility
of jamming mobile phone signals to prevent people using their phone to
play Angry Birds or read a book.

Did I touch a nerve? You must be one of these cocksuckers who live for
their phone to say that. Of course it doesnt jam anything like an app,
so what? They can't text or use the Internet. The day they bring an
app for killing jews en-mass, I might take an interest in the bloody
things.

 

[news13]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:30:39 +1000, Jeßus wrote:

Exactly. Although I wouldn't consider cities and suburbs as the 'real
world' either.

Sadly, they are, for Australia.

 

[Clocky]

On 24/08/2014 12:28 PM, Jeßus wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:31:27 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 24/08/2014 8:16 AM, Jeßus wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:09:58 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
I was compelled to buy one because I can't stand fuckwits staring into
a tiny screen no matter where they are or what they're doing.


Yeah, I hate those morons too.

There's an awful lot of them around these days.

Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away
from his fucking phone.


How does a GPS jammer have any effect on what people see on their
screens when they are texting, twitfaecing etc or is there more to them?

No, they can still see their screen - they just don't have
phone/Internet access when in range of the jammer.

I get that they can still see the screen, I didn't realise they also
jammed the phone signal as well as GPS.

Anyway, should be mandatory in some places - not illegal.

How did you get hold of yours? I've read customs are screening for the
devices.

 

[Clocky]

On 24/08/2014 12:30 PM, Jeßus wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:00:59 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 24/08/2014 11:00 AM, news13 wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:16:46 +1000, Jeßus wrote:


Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away from
his fucking phone.

Welcome to the wonderful modern world where you communicate with the
world entirely through some mobile device. At one stage, people waiting
for lifts at least acknowledged those around them, but now it is totally
eyes to the screen playing some stupid game or reading the faeces or twat
feeds.


Worse is that they think it is "social" networking.

The more they connect with their stupid devices the more they disconnect
from the real world and society.

Exactly. Although I wouldn't consider cities and suburbs as the 'real
world' either.

I agree.

 

[Clocky]

On 24/08/2014 3:01 PM, Xeno wrote:

On 24/08/2014 4:39 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
Jeßus <none@all.org> wrote:

snip


Neither did I (re: the truckies).

I was compelled to buy one because I can't stand fuckwits staring into
a tiny screen no matter where they are or what they're doing.

Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away
from his fucking phone.

None of those people were doing you any harm at all.

They are ruining society.

 

[Clocky]

On 24/08/2014 7:42 PM, news13 wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:00:59 +0800, Clocky wrote:

On 24/08/2014 11:00 AM, news13 wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:16:46 +1000, Jeßus wrote:


Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away
from his fucking phone.

Welcome to the wonderful modern world where you communicate with the
world entirely through some mobile device. At one stage, people waiting
for lifts at least acknowledged those around them, but now it is
totally eyes to the screen playing some stupid game or reading the
faeces or twat feeds.


Worse is that they think it is "social" networking.

The more they connect with their stupid devices the more they disconnect
from the real world and society.

I'm getting to the stage where I'm going to start taking my hat off and
talk into it. If nothing else, it might get me an empty lift.

Those staring into their screens won't even notice.

 

[F Murtz]

Clocky wrote:

On 24/08/2014 12:28 PM, Jeßus wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:31:27 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 24/08/2014 8:16 AM, Jeßus wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:09:58 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
I was compelled to buy one because I can't stand fuckwits staring into
a tiny screen no matter where they are or what they're doing.


Yeah, I hate those morons too.

There's an awful lot of them around these days.

Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away
from his fucking phone.


How does a GPS jammer have any effect on what people see on their
screens when they are texting, twitfaecing etc or is there more to them?

No, they can still see their screen - they just don't have
phone/Internet access when in range of the jammer.


I get that they can still see the screen, I didn't realise they also
jammed the phone signal as well as GPS.

Anyway, should be mandatory in some places - not illegal.

The problem is that their use can be dangerous and even deadly in some
circumstances, that is why they are illegal, they are not even allowed
in goals even though people think they should use them there.

How did you get hold of yours? I've read customs are screening for the
devices.

 

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:15:12 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 24/08/2014 12:28 PM, Jeßus wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:31:27 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 24/08/2014 8:16 AM, Jeßus wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:09:58 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
I was compelled to buy one because I can't stand fuckwits staring into
a tiny screen no matter where they are or what they're doing.


Yeah, I hate those morons too.

There's an awful lot of them around these days.

Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away
from his fucking phone.


How does a GPS jammer have any effect on what people see on their
screens when they are texting, twitfaecing etc or is there more to them?

No, they can still see their screen - they just don't have
phone/Internet access when in range of the jammer.


I get that they can still see the screen, I didn't realise they also
jammed the phone signal as well as GPS.

Yep. CDMA, GSM, DCS, PHS, 3G and wifi.

Anyway, should be mandatory in some places - not illegal.

How did you get hold of yours? I've read customs are screening for the
devices.

Pretty sure it was ebay, although I can't find it anywhere on there
now. Was only about 4 months ago, the box describes it as a 'signal
isolator'.

Or, if you wanna DIY:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diy+jammer

 

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 02:34:39 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Clocky wrote:
Anyway, should be mandatory in some places - not illegal.

The problem is that their use can be dangerous and even deadly in some
circumstances, that is why they are illegal, they are not even allowed
in goals even though people think they should use them there.

The seppos have just passed legislation requiring all phones in the
future to have the ability to be shut down remotely... Toby will
surely love that

 

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:54:24 +0000 (UTC), news13
<newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:30:39 +1000, Jeßus wrote:


Exactly. Although I wouldn't consider cities and suburbs as the 'real
world' either.

Sadly, they are, for Australia.

And the rest of the western world... and the east for that matter!

 

[keithr]

On 24/08/2014 2:00 PM, Clocky wrote:

On 24/08/2014 11:00 AM, news13 wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:16:46 +1000, Jeßus wrote:


Great when you have a friend's 30 something y/o son in your car and
they're glued to that screen... or in a doctor's waiting room, or the
supermarket... The other week in Launceston I saw this bloke mow his
lawn - for the whole time I watched him, I never saw him look away from
his fucking phone.

Welcome to the wonderful modern world where you communicate with the
world entirely through some mobile device. At one stage, people waiting
for lifts at least acknowledged those around them, but now it is totally
eyes to the screen playing some stupid game or reading the faeces or twat
feeds.


Worse is that they think it is "social" networking.

The more they connect with their stupid devices the more they disconnect
from the real world and society.

We were in a restaurant a while ago, the couple at the next table spent
the whole time clicking on their iThings, I assumed that they were
texting each other rather than speaking.

 

[keithr]

On 23/08/2014 5:58 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet F Murtz wrote:
Is it possible for satelites to go bonkers for a while on a fairly
fine day? All this afternoon my GPS went up and down in speed
registration and zero speed for lengths of time, put me on totally
different roads,
gave ridiculous directions (between Bargo and Mount Druit)is it my
unit or could the signal be weird? I have had GPSs for a long while and
have
never seen the like before.
On the way home at night from Trivia it behaved normally.

Interestingly I just drove home from Auckland and noticed that my normally
very accurate and stable GPS was displaying 'jumpy' speed, going up from 98
to 110, back to 102... It'd settle for a while then do similar. I tought it
odd. Now reading this I wonder if they're related.

I know a charter boat skipper who said that during the first gulf war the
GPS was very unreliable - accurate to within maybe 250m but nowhere near the
accurate to ~5m that it was before and after. He said he'd been told the
Americans had nerfed the civilian access to the sats by a certain offset to
confound the enemy.

Made me wonder if there was war happening somewhere in the world right now -
or planned for the near future.

Up until May 2000 the yanks used selective availability to reduce the
accuracy of GPS for civilian users by putting random offsets on it. They
say that they won't do it again but who knows? Military GPS is
unaffected by selective availability but you need a military type
receiver to decrypt the signal.

 

[news13]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:23:46 +1000, keithr wrote:

Up until May 2000 the yanks used selective availability to reduce the
accuracy of GPS for civilian users by putting random offsets on it. They
say that they won't do it again but who knows? Military GPS is
unaffected by selective availability but you need a military type
receiver to decrypt the signal.

Nah, you just do what the surveyors do; either subscribe to a real time
offset service or set up your own by having a device at a known gps
location calculate the difference between the received and actual signal
and pass it on.

It didn't take the surveyors long to figure out that fix. I think the NSW
service is back channel on JJJ(?), or it was. no idea if that is still
current.

 

[keithr]

On 26/08/2014 12:26 AM, news13 wrote:

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:23:46 +1000, keithr wrote:


Up until May 2000 the yanks used selective availability to reduce the
accuracy of GPS for civilian users by putting random offsets on it. They
say that they won't do it again but who knows? Military GPS is
unaffected by selective availability but you need a military type
receiver to decrypt the signal.

Nah, you just do what the surveyors do; either subscribe to a real time
offset service or set up your own by having a device at a known gps
location calculate the difference between the received and actual signal
and pass it on.

It didn't take the surveyors long to figure out that fix. I think the NSW
service is back channel on JJJ(?), or it was. no idea if that is still
current.

Surveyors use differential GPS which is a whole different thing.