Big connectors, Small wires

[Searcher7]

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:35:38 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7 <Searcher7@mail.con2.com>
wrote:

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

No.

 

[Rich Webb]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:36:00 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7
<Searcher7@mail.con2.com> wrote:

On Mar 21, 11:37 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:35:38 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7 <Search...@mail.con2.com
wrote:

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

No.

Ok, thanks.

It's never "recommended" but it may "okay" (for some definitions of
"okay") in prototypes, home-brew rigs, and other one-offs.

However, the connectors are that size for a reason and using a smaller
gauge wire than they are designed for can have significant negative
results (as in, your house burns down).

A general rule of thumb is that if you have to ask, then you should not
do it. Get the right size terminals or another spool of wire.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

 

[Rich Grise]

Searcher7 wrote:

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

It's not "recommended," but if you use care, and your terminals have

either that plastic thing, or you use heat-shrink, it should be no problem.
Been there, done that, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Searcher7]

On Mar 21, 11:37 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:35:38 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7 <Search...@mail.con2.com
wrote:

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

No.

Ok, thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Jamie]

Searcher7 wrote:

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
http://www.ferrulesdirect.com/

Use those, they work well for handling small wires
in terminals..


Jamie

 

[Rich Grise]

Jamie wrote:

Searcher7 wrote:
I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

http://www.ferrulesdirect.com/

Use those, they work well for handling small wires
in terminals..

Dang! I've used them before; yesterday I spend about 10 minutes

on google, but nothing turned up.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Searcher7]

On Mar 22, 5:00 pm, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net.invalid> wrote:

Searcher7 wrote:
I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

It's not "recommended," but if you use care, and your terminals have
either that plastic thing, or you use heat-shrink, it should be no problem.
Been there, done that, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

Thanks.

They do have the vinyl sheath.

http://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/index~text~TP14-8~path~product~part~16463~ds~dept~process~search
http://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/index~text~TP14-8f~path~product~part~16813~ds~dept~process~search

(Too bad the box doesn't tell you what kind of crimpers to use. The
ones I have for the 22g, 20g, and 18g wires don't want to work on
these lugs).

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Searcher7]

On Mar 22, 4:57 pm, Rich Webb <bbew...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:36:00 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7

Search...@mail.con2.com> wrote:
On Mar 21, 11:37 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:35:38 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7 <Search...@mail.con2.com
wrote:

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

No.

Ok, thanks.

It's never "recommended" but it may "okay" (for some definitions of
"okay") in prototypes, home-brew rigs, and other one-offs.

However, the connectors are that size for a reason and using a smaller
gauge wire than they are designed for can have significant negative
results (as in, your house burns down).

A general rule of thumb is that if you have to ask, then you should not
do it. Get the right size terminals or another spool of wire.

--
Rich Webb     Norfolk, VA

I know where you're going with that. But that's not what I'm doing.

I hacked a video game controller that is plugged into your PC, and I
am just basically cutting the wires I soldered to it's PCB in half so
I can add a terminal block in the middle.

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Rich Grise]

Searcher7 wrote:

On Mar 22, 5:00 pm, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net.invalid> wrote:
Searcher7 wrote:
I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

It's not "recommended," but if you use care, and your terminals have
either that plastic thing, or you use heat-shrink, it should be no
problem. Been there, done that, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt. ;-)

Thanks.

They do have the vinyl sheath.

http://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/index~text~TP14-8~path~product~part~16463~ds~dept~process~search

http://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/index~text~TP14-8f~path~product~part~16813~ds~dept~process~search

(Too bad the box doesn't tell you what kind of crimpers to use. The
ones I have for the 22g, 20g, and 18g wires don't want to work on
these lugs).

I don't remember who posted it a couple of posts upthread, but somebody
found some ferrules, which would have been my first choice, but I got tired
of googling them. It's basically a 22-18 sleeve with a $14 pin on the other
end. That would be the "professional" way to do it, which would definitely
be recommended if it's a production job. But then again, you'd have to
buy more parts; I fear you're faced with a judgement call. =:-O

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

Searcher7 wrote:

I hacked a video game controller that is plugged into your PC,

I certainly hope you didn't hack the controller that's plugged into _MY_ PC!

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Tom Biasi]

"Searcher7" wrote in message
news:baa66315-55d0-4436-a5f1-4fe6ed73746f@r3g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

Some terminals are speced for 1 wire at one gauge rage and two wires at
another range.
For home use on low voltage I would do it.
You could always hit it with some solder.

Tom

 

[Rich Webb]

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:33:19 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7
<Searcher7@mail.con2.com> wrote:

On Mar 24, 6:21 am, "Tom Biasi" <tombi...@optonline.net> wrote:
"Searcher7"  wrote in message

news:baa66315-55d0-4436-a5f1-4fe6ed73746f@r3g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

Some terminals are speced for 1 wire at one gauge rage and two wires at
another range.
For home use on low voltage I would do it.
You could always hit it with some solder.

Tom

Any recommendations for crimpers for the 16-14 gauge range of lugs?

Eclipse has a pretty wide range of crimpers at reasonable prices.
http://www.eclipsetools.com/ for the manufacturer's page. Vendors at
http://www.starkelectronic.com/ (refreshingly old-school web site ;-)
and http://www.toolking.com/ among many others. Amazon, even...

It *looks* like the Eclipse 300-002 would do the trick for those lugs
(but it's always somewhat of a guess just looking at pictures).
<http://www.toolking.com/specialty-tools/electrical-tools-electrician-tools/wire-crimpers-strippers-cutters/eclipse-300-002-crimp-tool-for-insulated-terminals/>
also in a kit
<http://www.toolking.com/eclipse-500-037-terminal-crimp-kit>

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

 

[Searcher7]

On Mar 24, 4:10 am, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net.invalid> wrote:

Searcher7 wrote:
On Mar 22, 5:00 pm, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net.invalid> wrote:
Searcher7 wrote:
I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

It's not "recommended," but if you use care, and your terminals have
either that plastic thing, or you use heat-shrink, it should be no
problem. Been there, done that, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt. ;-)

Thanks.

They do have the vinyl sheath.

http://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/index~text~TP14-8~path~product~pa...http://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/index~text~TP14-8f~path~product~p...



(Too bad the box doesn't tell you what kind of crimpers to use. The
ones I have for the 22g, 20g, and 18g wires don't want to work on
these lugs).

I don't remember who posted it a couple of posts upthread, but somebody
found some ferrules, which would have been my first choice, but I got tired
of googling them. It's basically a 22-18 sleeve with a $14 pin on the other
end. That would be the "professional" way to do it, which would definitely
be recommended if it's a production job. But then again, you'd have to
buy more parts; I fear you're faced with a judgement call. =:-O

Cheers!
Rich

That wouldn't work for this.

I'm using terminal blocks because the idea is to keep all possible
stress off of the leads that are permanently soldered to the screwed
down PCB. That is why those leads will run to a screwed down terminal
block.

On the other side of that terminal block the leads can be easily
switched and swapped at will without worry.

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Searcher7]

On Mar 24, 6:21 am, "Tom Biasi" <tombi...@optonline.net> wrote:

"Searcher7"  wrote in message

news:baa66315-55d0-4436-a5f1-4fe6ed73746f@r3g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

Some terminals are speced for 1 wire at one gauge rage and two wires at
another range.
For home use on low voltage I would do it.
You could always hit it with some solder.

Tom

Any recommendations for crimpers for the 16-14 gauge range of lugs?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[John Fields]

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:31:55 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7
<Searcher7@mail.con2.com> wrote:

I'm using terminal blocks because the idea is to keep all possible
stress off of the leads that are permanently soldered to the screwed
down PCB. That is why those leads will run to a screwed down terminal
block.

On the other side of that terminal block the leads can be easily
switched and swapped at will without worry.

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

---
If that's the plan, why not save yourself some grief and bucks and use
a terminal block which can accept wires without terminals on both
sides?

http://www.cinch.com/products/electronic-communication-systems/barrier-blocks

--
JF

 

[Jamie]

Rich Grise wrote:

Searcher7 wrote:

On Mar 22, 5:00 pm, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net.invalid> wrote:

Searcher7 wrote:

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

It's not "recommended," but if you use care, and your terminals have
either that plastic thing, or you use heat-shrink, it should be no
problem. Been there, done that, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt. ;-)

Thanks.

They do have the vinyl sheath.


http://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/index~text~TP14-8~path~product~part~16463~ds~dept~process~search
http://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/index~text~TP14-8f~path~product~part~16813~ds~dept~process~search

(Too bad the box doesn't tell you what kind of crimpers to use. The
ones I have for the 22g, 20g, and 18g wires don't want to work on
these lugs).


I don't remember who posted it a couple of posts upthread, but somebody
found some ferrules, which would have been my first choice, but I got tired
of googling them. It's basically a 22-18 sleeve with a $14 pin on the other
end. That would be the "professional" way to do it, which would definitely
be recommended if it's a production job. But then again, you'd have to
buy more parts; I fear you're faced with a judgement call. =:-O

Cheers!
Rich

Seems strange when you can buy a complete kit that has a lot of them in

it for under $29 bucks.

Jamie

 

[Tom Biasi]

"Searcher7" wrote in message
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On Mar 24, 6:21 am, "Tom Biasi" <tombi...@optonline.net> wrote:

"Searcher7" wrote in message

news:baa66315-55d0-4436-a5f1-4fe6ed73746f@r3g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired I
use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

Some terminals are speced for 1 wire at one gauge rage and two wires at
another range.
For home use on low voltage I would do it.
You could always hit it with some solder.

Tom

Any recommendations for crimpers for the 16-14 gauge range of lugs?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

Just about any general crimpers at Lowes or Home Depot will crimp that
range.

 

[Rich Grise]

Jamie wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:
Searcher7 wrote:

(Too bad the box doesn't tell you what kind of crimpers to use. The
ones I have for the 22g, 20g, and 18g wires don't want to work on
these lugs).

I don't remember who posted it a couple of posts upthread, but somebody
found some ferrules, which would have been my first choice, but I got
tired of googling them. It's basically a 22-18 sleeve with a $14 pin on
the other end. That would be the "professional" way to do it, which would
definitely be recommended if it's a production job. But then again, you'd
have to buy more parts; I fear you're faced with a judgement call. =:-O

Seems strange when you can buy a complete kit that has a lot of them in
it for under $29 bucks.

I'm gonna ass-u-me that you're just messing with me because of my silly

typo ($14 vs #14). Touché!

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

Searcher7 wrote:

On Mar 24, 4:10 am, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net.invalid> wrote:
Searcher7 wrote:
On Mar 22, 5:00 pm, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net.invalid> wrote:
Searcher7 wrote:
I have tons of terminals for wire gauges around 16-14. But the wired
I use is 22-18.

Is folding the wire before crimping recommended?

It's not "recommended," but if you use care, and your terminals have
either that plastic thing, or you use heat-shrink, it should be no
problem. Been there, done that, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
;-)

They do have the vinyl sheath.

http://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/index~text~TP14-8~path~product~pa...http://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/index~text~TP14-8f~path~product~p...

(Too bad the box doesn't tell you what kind of crimpers to use. The
ones I have for the 22g, 20g, and 18g wires don't want to work on
these lugs).

I don't remember who posted it a couple of posts upthread, but somebody
found some ferrules, which would have been my first choice, but I got
tired of googling them. It's basically a 22-18 sleeve with a $14 pin on
Ahem ----------> #14
the other end. That would be the "professional" way to do it, which would
definitely be recommended if it's a production job. But then again, you'd
have to buy more parts; I fear you're faced with a judgement call. =:-O

That wouldn't work for this.

I'm using terminal blocks because the idea is to keep all possible
stress off of the leads that are permanently soldered to the screwed
down PCB. That is why those leads will run to a screwed down terminal
block.

On the other side of that terminal block the leads can be easily
switched and swapped at will without worry.

The thing is, you crimp the ferrule onto the wire, then crimp the pin

half of the ferrule onto your fat terminals. Of course, you'd need
enough clearance between the block and the ass-end of the now longer
terminal/ferrule assembly.

But if it's going to be a mostly-permanent installation, I'd just
go ahead and double (or even triple, like a squashed 'S') the wires.

Cheers!
Rich


Cheers!
Rich