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William Sommerwerck
Guest
Chuck Yeager would likely disagree. Got some proof of that?
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William Sommerwerck
Guest
Being a working supersonic transport IS NOT a measure of success? Profit is
the only valid measure of success?
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William Sommerwerck
Guest
Where do you get this "information"?
light bulbs: The British love to point out that Swann had an incandescent
lamp before Edison. True. But it used an expensive platinum filament. Edison
came up with a cheap carbon filament -- and the electrical generation and
distribution system to back it up. (And let's not forget that the AC system
in use today was designed by a naturalized American citizen.)
telephones: The telephone is unquestionably an American invention.
computers: Although work was done in a number of countries (eg, Konrad Zuse
in Switzerland), the first large-scale electrical and electronic computers
were built in the US.
WWW: The Internet -- which the WWW is built over -- is an American
invention.
space flight: If you mean simply getting a rocket above the atmosphere, it
was likely first done by 'murcans. (I don't think the Germans got high
enough.)
T
The Natural Philosopher
Guest
William Sommerwerck wrote:
The plane that finally did it in peace time was the Miles M52, well it
WOULD have been the Miles, except the total plans for it were handed to
the USA and UK government funding withdrawn from the Miles company. It
appeared virtually unchanged as the Bell X-1 , with American stickers
all over it. But it was in essence the Miles plane. A smaller unmanned
version of which had reached Mach 1.38 in about 1946/7.
The key thing that allowed the X-1 to maintain control in transonic
flight was the Miles' all moving tailplane. This got around the control
reversal that plagued transonic aircraft fitted with conventional elevators.
The USA was about 5 years behind everyone else in jet engines and high
speed flight, till they lifted what they could from the UK and Germany
to make up for the ideas and research they didn't have. Of course
staying out of the war as long as possible, lending money to the winning
side, finally joining it, and not actually ever getting bombed proved
excellent business, and they were then the only country in the world
with enough money left to spend on waving a supersonic dick around.
it though.
The plane that finally did it in peace time was the Miles M52, well it
WOULD have been the Miles, except the total plans for it were handed to
the USA and UK government funding withdrawn from the Miles company. It
appeared virtually unchanged as the Bell X-1 , with American stickers
all over it. But it was in essence the Miles plane. A smaller unmanned
version of which had reached Mach 1.38 in about 1946/7.
The key thing that allowed the X-1 to maintain control in transonic
flight was the Miles' all moving tailplane. This got around the control
reversal that plagued transonic aircraft fitted with conventional elevators.
The USA was about 5 years behind everyone else in jet engines and high
speed flight, till they lifted what they could from the UK and Germany
to make up for the ideas and research they didn't have. Of course
staying out of the war as long as possible, lending money to the winning
side, finally joining it, and not actually ever getting bombed proved
excellent business, and they were then the only country in the world
with enough money left to spend on waving a supersonic dick around.
T
The Natural Philosopher
Guest
tony sayer wrote:
The steam engine, Invented here.
Steel. Invented here.
Electronic Computers. Invented here.
Radar, especially the magnetron, invented here.
The jet engine, invented here and in Germany almost simultaneously.
The all moving tailplane for supersonic flight, invented here.
Motherhood, invented in Africa
Apple Pie, invented here.
God, invented in the Middle East, Reinvented in Rome..
Democracy, Invented in Greece (and much good it did them)
The Mafia, invented in Sicily (and much good it did them)
Americans are pretty carp at inventing anything: Mostly its a ripoff of
someone else's idea made successful through selling in vast quantities
to a gullible nation.
I think they maty be credited with fast food, and obesity, and the coca
cola however. And spurious tailfins on cars. And drag racing. But really
that's about it.
Oh, the Blues, I guess the black slaves invented that, and jazz,
Says it all really.
Really the only significant US contributions of any value to modern life
have been the semiconductor, the integrated circuit, and the high level
programming language, courtesy of COBOL.
Though even there high level languages go back a bit further. To Europe.
What the USA is superb at is business. Taking something from someone
else, and pretending they thought of it first, and selling it in vast
quantities backed by a flood of syrupy marketing that pretends its is
factual.
They are without doubt, the greatest LIARS the world has ever known.
Look at all the stuff America crows about.
The steam engine, Invented here.
Steel. Invented here.
Electronic Computers. Invented here.
Radar, especially the magnetron, invented here.
The jet engine, invented here and in Germany almost simultaneously.
The all moving tailplane for supersonic flight, invented here.
Motherhood, invented in Africa
Apple Pie, invented here.
God, invented in the Middle East, Reinvented in Rome..
Democracy, Invented in Greece (and much good it did them)
The Mafia, invented in Sicily (and much good it did them)
Americans are pretty carp at inventing anything: Mostly its a ripoff of
someone else's idea made successful through selling in vast quantities
to a gullible nation.
I think they maty be credited with fast food, and obesity, and the coca
cola however. And spurious tailfins on cars. And drag racing. But really
that's about it.
Oh, the Blues, I guess the black slaves invented that, and jazz,
Says it all really.
Really the only significant US contributions of any value to modern life
have been the semiconductor, the integrated circuit, and the high level
programming language, courtesy of COBOL.
Though even there high level languages go back a bit further. To Europe.
What the USA is superb at is business. Taking something from someone
else, and pretending they thought of it first, and selling it in vast
quantities backed by a flood of syrupy marketing that pretends its is
factual.
They are without doubt, the greatest LIARS the world has ever known.
T
The Natural Philosopher
Guest
William Sommerwerck wrote:
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dennis@home
Guest
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
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news:8ih276548uglracop6oiq2ivhosj6mu7pf@4ax.com...
There is no tax on aviation fuel, its some silly international agreement.
Guest
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:06:46 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
Chuck Yeager, Bell X-1, Muroc Dry Lake, Mojave desert, California,
USA, October 14, 1947
The first successfull manned supersonic flight in history.
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
Chuck Yeager, Bell X-1, Muroc Dry Lake, Mojave desert, California,
USA, October 14, 1947
The first successfull manned supersonic flight in history.
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Michael A. Terrell
Guest
"dennis@home" wrote:
Not since 1974.
Who really cares? It's all low bidder crap these days.
Not since 1974.
Who really cares? It's all low bidder crap these days.
J
john hamilton
Guest
"Paul" <23023@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8d58njF43gU1@mid.individual.net...
Many thanks to all. The push on brass connectors are a welcome solution,
many thanks. I can easily buy those at Maplins.
To throw a little light on this unnecessary rudeness to our American
cousins. The expression Amearkin came up because in the U.S. they could say
American so quickly it sounded like Amearkin. So across the pond they became
Amearkins...quite harmless.
However some low lifes changed this to Merkins. A few hundred years ago in
order to deal with body lice, ladies would shave their lower private parts.
Since this was deamed un-attractive, they could buy small triangular wigs
which were called...you guessed it Merkins. Please dont let the low-lifes
get you down, we have as many here as you have there. And they just love the
internet.
news:8d58njF43gU1@mid.individual.net...
=============================================================================On 19/08/2010 04:46, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 19/08/2010 01:27, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/18/2010 6:33 PM, geoff wrote:
In message<i4hmat$blj$2@news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas
the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> writes
On 8/18/2010 4:17 PM, geoff wrote:
In message<i4hhb1$np$1@news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas
the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> writes
On 8/16/2010 12:43 PM, john hamilton wrote:
I have to connect this AAA battery holder to a toy. Although I
have a
small
soldering iron, my soldering skills are poor. I can see myself
easily
melting all the plastic around the contacts before I can get
anything to
stick to the tabs. (The part of the tabs with the small hole will
bend
upwards giving some clearence).
http://tinypic.com/r/iqx3pf/4
My immediate plan is to poke a few strands of wire through the
holes
in the
connection tabs twist and then apply some nail varnish to stop it
unwinding.
Since its a toy it does not need to be totally foolproof.
If anyone had any ideas that were a bit more sophisticated I would
be
gratefull. Thanks.
If you are familiar with faston connectors, you can trim the
terminals with scissors or wire cutters so a connector will
slip on to them. The connectors are available in many sizes
with the 1/4" being the most common. I believe The Shack,
formally Radio Shack carries several sizes. Here's a link
to a manufacturer that produces many types so you can see
what I'm referring to:
http://www.etco.com/category.php?cat=18&div=ep&l=e
Excuse me, but is the OP a Septic or English ?
If he/she/it is English, it's bugger all use pointing them at Septic
outlets, is it?
I'm sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you are writing
about. Could you find someone to translate it into American?
Septic tank = yank
duh - colonials
Um, the cultural education is nice but what's it got to do
with electrical connections to a battery holder? Bizarre is
fun but at least I try to keep my jokes within the subject
matter being discussed.
TDD
It was... Radio Shack used to have UK outlets (but seemed to have
vanished), but the link above was certainly for their US replacement...
Its a long way to go for a battery holder..
Yes. All the way to your mail box. Of course, that may require you
to get out of your chair and actually walk.
And pay three times the value in shipping and taxes
Many thanks to all. The push on brass connectors are a welcome solution,
many thanks. I can easily buy those at Maplins.
To throw a little light on this unnecessary rudeness to our American
cousins. The expression Amearkin came up because in the U.S. they could say
American so quickly it sounded like Amearkin. So across the pond they became
Amearkins...quite harmless.
However some low lifes changed this to Merkins. A few hundred years ago in
order to deal with body lice, ladies would shave their lower private parts.
Since this was deamed un-attractive, they could buy small triangular wigs
which were called...you guessed it Merkins. Please dont let the low-lifes
get you down, we have as many here as you have there. And they just love the
internet.
M
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
tony sayer wrote:
How's your space agency doing? How do they like the US built
communications systems that i built?
How's your space agency doing? How do they like the US built
communications systems that i built?
M
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
"dennis@home" wrote:
Which was to use ungodly amonts of tax money for the design and to
subsidize the enntoire program.
The crappy V2 rockets that they rianed down on gay old England?
Which was to use ungodly amonts of tax money for the design and to
subsidize the enntoire program.
The crappy V2 rockets that they rianed down on gay old England?
M
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
"dennis@home" wrote:
feet, which is 14.2 miles AAT. They have to descend to land, and gain
altitude to leave any airfield. Airports balked at longer runways for
747s, and many would have had to move to have anything longer. it would
take decades to use 'Eminent Domain' to take homes and businesses for
the extra land at current sites.
Are you sure they have never caused any damage? Have you ever been
in Florida when one loops over the state before landing? That
distinctive double boom has a lot of energy when it's close. I've heard
plenty of them over the last 20 years. I also built some of the
communications equipment and telemetry equipment used to track them.
prove it. No commercial SS was allowed, and military SS has limited
flight paths at lower altitudes which limits the bases they can operate
from.
Sigh. Do you ever study anything, or just type bullshit?
At 50 feet, it would have hit a tree, and you don't land at 75,000
feet, which is 14.2 miles AAT. They have to descend to land, and gain
altitude to leave any airfield. Airports balked at longer runways for
747s, and many would have had to move to have anything longer. it would
take decades to use 'Eminent Domain' to take homes and businesses for
the extra land at current sites.
Are you sure they have never caused any damage? Have you ever been
in Florida when one loops over the state before landing? That
distinctive double boom has a lot of energy when it's close. I've heard
plenty of them over the last 20 years. I also built some of the
communications equipment and telemetry equipment used to track them.
prove it. No commercial SS was allowed, and military SS has limited
flight paths at lower altitudes which limits the bases they can operate
from.
Sigh. Do you ever study anything, or just type bullshit?
M
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
tony sayer wrote:
So, where are his flying, today?
In article <rKCdnZjUmopEJ-zRnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> scribeth thus
(((°> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:57:06 +0100, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
(snip)
They spent wads of money to
build and maintain them, then junked the entire fleet. It was noisy
and
very fuel inefficient. That forced the fares so high that they
weren't
able to compete with better planes from multiple countries.
What other supersonic airliners are those then?...
Don't read well, do you? The 747 kicked its butt.
747 ain't supersonic. But on a dollar/gallon per passenger mile
basis, it is a whole lot cheaper to run, when anywhere near fully
loaded. In recent years, due to passenger volume being so reduced, a
whole lotta 747s and other jumbos were parked in the desert, in
'preservation pack' status. Airlines switched to the itty-bitty jets
for many routes. Now that volume is picking up again, some jumbos are
being brought back out of storage. At one point, they were gonna
modernize the 747 fleet, but it will probably never happen, because
Boeing would rather sell new planes, and Airbus is nipping at their
heels. But the long delays in the Boeing Dreamliner rampup can be at
least partially blamed on the airlines getting gun-shy. It costs a lot
of money to keep airplanes with a lot of lifespan left sitting in the
desert. Another air disaster or major fuel cost spike, and there will
be multiple airlines going belly-up.
Supersonics only made sense for civilian use for a very tiny niche
market of rich people and businessmen who had to have face time
someplace far away in a hurry. That niche market got even smaller with
the rise of cheap easily available hi-rez video-conferencing services.
A lot of execs don't travel near as much as they used to. Plus, of
course, with the general economic downturn, there are a lot fewer
executives. Either retired or flipping burgers for somebody else.
Absent some technological leap that allows cheap suborbital flights
for the masses, world travel will be slower and more expensive from
here on out.
Plus the externalities, such as having your windows rattle twice a day
(waking the baby, of course) just because some rich nitwit couldn't wait
another couple of hours to get to LA. Anyway, rich nitwits save more
time than that by buying or renting their own subsonic jet, which goes
wherever they want, whenever they want. It's a far more rational
solution (if you can call it that).
There was also a big outcry at the time about the pollution--apparently
folks were worried about damage to the ozone layer or something, due to
inefficient engines spewing crap in the stratosphere. I'm not sure
whether there was anything to that (there so often isn't, in the
environmentalist cosmos), but that and the sonic booms were what got
supersonic flight banned.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Just more symptoms on Not Invented Here syndrome.
Yawn. US SS military jets were banned from populated areas long
before the first Concord was pieced together from British and french
landfills.
Yawn ... zzzzzz Frank Writtle was 'working on them long before that...
So, where are his flying, today?
M
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Even their lightbulbs.
Even their lightbulbs.
Guest
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:47:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Triumph Motorcycle to look at because the headlight as in fact,
leaking oil!
Long story short: Bad oil pressure sending unit had it's wire lead
encased in a plastic spaghetti tube that ran up along the frame to the
headlight housing. Oil was running up through the spaghetti tubing and
collecting in the headlight housing. When he parked, it would drip
out.
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Many years ago in a previous life, radio host Don Imus brought me his
Triumph Motorcycle to look at because the headlight as in fact,
leaking oil!
Long story short: Bad oil pressure sending unit had it's wire lead
encased in a plastic spaghetti tube that ran up along the frame to the
headlight housing. Oil was running up through the spaghetti tubing and
collecting in the headlight housing. When he parked, it would drip
out.
T
The Natural Philosopher
Guest
salty@dog.com wrote:
You guys cant even get a sub zero O-ring to work.
And no one in their right minds not doing pork barrel politics would
glue a rocket together with an O ring anyway.
An engineer, it has been said, is someone who can do for sixpence what
any damned fool can do for a quid.
Or any American company for $10,000 of course.
feature to prevent the headlight corroding.
You guys cant even get a sub zero O-ring to work.
And no one in their right minds not doing pork barrel politics would
glue a rocket together with an O ring anyway.
An engineer, it has been said, is someone who can do for sixpence what
any damned fool can do for a quid.
Or any American company for $10,000 of course.
D
dennis@home
Guest
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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They were both more or less the same.
However the Russians did have significantly more advanced rocket engines.
NASA have been using the designs to make their rockets better.
news:GIednWq1m4RfUe_RnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
Well the Saturn V wasn't exactly advanced compared to a V2.
They were both more or less the same.
However the Russians did have significantly more advanced rocket engines.
NASA have been using the designs to make their rockets better.
M
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And yet you poor, mindless blokes haven't launched anything to the
moon, let alone get it back.
And yet you poor, mindless blokes haven't launched anything to the
moon, let alone get it back.
M
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
"dennis@home" wrote:
Sigh. the Saturn V was a Model A. The V2 was a model T. Both
designed in the days of slide rules, and poor metalurgy. Tube
electronics and crude plastics. Do you have anything useful to say?
They built bigger engines, typical of Russian designs. Scale up
something, then everthing else needed the same.
Proof?
Sigh. the Saturn V was a Model A. The V2 was a model T. Both
designed in the days of slide rules, and poor metalurgy. Tube
electronics and crude plastics. Do you have anything useful to say?
They built bigger engines, typical of Russian designs. Scale up
something, then everthing else needed the same.
Proof?