Bedini motors and overunity crap

[BuckyBalls]

On 26/01/2015 3:36 AM, Clocky wrote:

On 25/01/2015 5:19 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:11:14 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 23/01/2015 8:21 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls <"The Pres"@yahoo.com
wrote:

There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

I thought you already knew the result, so why ask.



He presumably wants the opinion of people who might have tried to
replicate the results as a basis for comparison to the claims of the
"silly people".

I have no problem at all with people experimenting with over unity
ideas (as long as they're not attempting to profit from them).
Do any work? No. Not yet, anyway. Scientific 'facts' such as the laws
of physics are 'facts'... right up until the moment they're no longer
facts. By that I don't mean I do not believe in the laws of physics as
we understand them, but things like this tend to be disproved at some
point in history. I see no harm in keeping an open mind and/or flying
in the face of convention, it's the only way we have progressed.



That's fair enough.

That's why I asked the question - this NG has people who DO KNOW how to
measure power/energy, and although I remain a skeptic with regard to
overunity and free energy devices, (you get somewhat brainwashed by a
university education) I am open to hearing about results from people who
can make sensible measurements.
The idea of tapping vacuum energy is fantastic, but if everyone has a
few Megawatts to play with the current global warming will be eclipsed!

 

[Chris]

On 28/01/2015 5:28 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:

On 26/01/2015 3:36 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 25/01/2015 5:19 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:11:14 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 23/01/2015 8:21 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls <"The Pres"@yahoo.com
wrote:

There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

I thought you already knew the result, so why ask.



He presumably wants the opinion of people who might have tried to
replicate the results as a basis for comparison to the claims of the
"silly people".

I have no problem at all with people experimenting with over unity
ideas (as long as they're not attempting to profit from them).
Do any work? No. Not yet, anyway. Scientific 'facts' such as the laws
of physics are 'facts'... right up until the moment they're no longer
facts. By that I don't mean I do not believe in the laws of physics as
we understand them, but things like this tend to be disproved at some
point in history. I see no harm in keeping an open mind and/or flying
in the face of convention, it's the only way we have progressed.



That's fair enough.

That's why I asked the question - this NG has people who DO KNOW how to
measure power/energy, and although I remain a skeptic with regard to
overunity and free energy devices, (you get somewhat brainwashed by a
university education)

Not sure where you went to Uni but *that's where* I learned about the
2nd Law of Thermodynamics...

I am open to hearing about results from people who
can make sensible measurements.
The idea of tapping vacuum energy is fantastic, but if everyone has a
few Megawatts to play with the current global warming will be eclipsed!

--
Cheers,
Chris.

 

[BuckyBalls]

On 27/01/2015 11:34 PM, Chris wrote:

On 28/01/2015 5:28 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
On 26/01/2015 3:36 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 25/01/2015 5:19 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:11:14 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 23/01/2015 8:21 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls <"The Pres"@yahoo.com
wrote:

There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of
them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has
ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the
result?

I thought you already knew the result, so why ask.



He presumably wants the opinion of people who might have tried to
replicate the results as a basis for comparison to the claims of the
"silly people".

I have no problem at all with people experimenting with over unity
ideas (as long as they're not attempting to profit from them).
Do any work? No. Not yet, anyway. Scientific 'facts' such as the laws
of physics are 'facts'... right up until the moment they're no longer
facts. By that I don't mean I do not believe in the laws of physics as
we understand them, but things like this tend to be disproved at some
point in history. I see no harm in keeping an open mind and/or flying
in the face of convention, it's the only way we have progressed.



That's fair enough.

That's why I asked the question - this NG has people who DO KNOW how to
measure power/energy, and although I remain a skeptic with regard to
overunity and free energy devices, (you get somewhat brainwashed by a
university education)

Not sure where you went to Uni but *that's where* I learned about the
2nd Law of Thermodynamics...

U of Sydney, double degree.
But they didn't teach us anything about vacuum energy, I got that from
Richard Feynman (although he didn't claim HOW to tap it, he did write
that there is enough zero-point energy in a volume of space the size of
a cup to boil all the oceans of the world). You should keep an open
mind, despite all the fruitcakes on YouTube that post rubbish.
If you haven't read Feynman's lectures you are missing an insight into
physics that you don't get from the standard uni course.

I am open to hearing about results from people who
can make sensible measurements.
The idea of tapping vacuum energy is fantastic, but if everyone has a
few Megawatts to play with the current global warming will be eclipsed!

--
Cheers,
Chris.

In case you have misunderstood, I'm not giving any credence to
'overunity devices'. I was just asking if anyone here who is competent
had actually measured one.

BTW Dave Jones has just posted a sensible YouTube video on one aspect of
the subject:
http://youtu.be/hoqF3gjLIyI

 

[Clocky]

On 28/01/2015 9:53 PM, BuckyBalls wrote:

On 27/01/2015 11:34 PM, Chris wrote:
On 28/01/2015 5:28 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
On 26/01/2015 3:36 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 25/01/2015 5:19 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:11:14 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 23/01/2015 8:21 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls <"The
Pres"@yahoo.com
wrote:

There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of
them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't
have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has
ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the
result?

I thought you already knew the result, so why ask.



He presumably wants the opinion of people who might have tried to
replicate the results as a basis for comparison to the claims of the
"silly people".

I have no problem at all with people experimenting with over unity
ideas (as long as they're not attempting to profit from them).
Do any work? No. Not yet, anyway. Scientific 'facts' such as the laws
of physics are 'facts'... right up until the moment they're no longer
facts. By that I don't mean I do not believe in the laws of physics as
we understand them, but things like this tend to be disproved at some
point in history. I see no harm in keeping an open mind and/or flying
in the face of convention, it's the only way we have progressed.



That's fair enough.

That's why I asked the question - this NG has people who DO KNOW how to
measure power/energy, and although I remain a skeptic with regard to
overunity and free energy devices, (you get somewhat brainwashed by a
university education)

Not sure where you went to Uni but *that's where* I learned about the
2nd Law of Thermodynamics...

U of Sydney, double degree.
But they didn't teach us anything about vacuum energy, I got that from
Richard Feynman (although he didn't claim HOW to tap it, he did write
that there is enough zero-point energy in a volume of space the size of
a cup to boil all the oceans of the world). You should keep an open
mind, despite all the fruitcakes on YouTube that post rubbish.
If you haven't read Feynman's lectures you are missing an insight into
physics that you don't get from the standard uni course.


I am open to hearing about results from people who
can make sensible measurements.
The idea of tapping vacuum energy is fantastic, but if everyone has a
few Megawatts to play with the current global warming will be eclipsed!

--
Cheers,
Chris.

In case you have misunderstood, I'm not giving any credence to
'overunity devices'. I was just asking if anyone here who is competent
had actually measured one.

BTW Dave Jones has just posted a sensible YouTube video on one aspect of
the subject:
http://youtu.be/hoqF3gjLIyI

Indeed.