Bedini motors and overunity crap

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There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?
 
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls wrote:

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

But you expect us to have done so?

In truth, I read the (free) instructions and decided nope. There was no
way I was going to scrounge various diameters of stainless steel pipe
grade BS-666 or what ever from kerbside.

Then from laying on the warnings thickly about it must be that specific
pipe and inner diameters, it next instruction was "spark a wire along the
length in one direction only, different direction for each diameter.

Highly specific to umgaba-gaba, yer sure.

I'm all for new break throughs in science, but really.
 
On 22/1/2015 1:30 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?
AFAIK the Second Law of Thermodynamics still holds. Has been a lot of
experiments done, but none has disproved it. But people have an
enormous wish to believe in magic.

--
Regards,

Adrian Jansen adrianjansen at internode dot on dot net
Note reply address is invalid, convert address above to machine form.
 
On 22/01/2015 2:30 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

**Why? You said it in the title. It's all crap. Not worth reading about,
nor building a design which cannot possibly work.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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On 21/01/2015 11:30 PM, BuckyBalls wrote:
There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

There are an awful lot of people wishing to believe in codswallop, if
it's not magic skypixie gods it is this kind of shit. Some have opened
their minds so much that their brain has fallen out and others are just
crazies in it for the anti-government/oil company whatever conspiracy
theories.
 
On 21/01/2015 11:33 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 22/01/2015 2:30 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

**Why? You said it in the title. It's all crap. Not worth reading about,
nor building a design which cannot possibly work.

I was just asking if anyone here had tried to make one, obviously I
wouldn't waste my time.
(There exists a shitload of 'overunity' videos, makes you wonder if
'crystals' and 'pyramid power' really died in the 70's. There seems to
be a new generation of ignorant i-fools.)
 
On 22/01/2015 8:33 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
On 21/01/2015 11:33 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 22/01/2015 2:30 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

**Why? You said it in the title. It's all crap. Not worth reading about,
nor building a design which cannot possibly work.

I was just asking if anyone here had tried to make one, obviously I
wouldn't waste my time.
(There exists a shitload of 'overunity' videos, makes you wonder if
'crystals' and 'pyramid power' really died in the 70's. There seems to
be a new generation of ignorant i-fools.)

If you have read about GEET http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Geet/
then you could say I have built it sorta.

Only when I did it I knew nothing of this GEET nonsense, I simply built
a fuel vapor carb to test an engine that had a carburetor needing a kit.

The condition of the engine was unknown so I didn't want to order a kit
if the engine wasn't worth salvaging.

My fuel vapor carb consisted of a Milo tin with two holes drilled in the
top. One hose was shoved about 5 cm into the tin, connected to a valve
and then pushed firmly into the intake orifice of the engine with the
carb removed.

The other hose was pushed into the other hole to about 5mm from the
bottom of the Milo tin and then left to stick out from the top.

The idea is that any fuel (even contaminated with rubbish or other
liquids) gets vaporised by the bubbling effect of the air being drawn by
the engine through the fuel (and whatever) mixture and this vapour is
what the engine runs on.

This worked perfectly well, and it's no different to what this GEET
nonsense does in essence.

Yes, fuel economy improved as you can lean an engine out quite
significantly and it will still run fine but of course the power output
drops under load so the net gain is nothing.

Some people still believe the GEET scam is real, presumably they have
opened their mind so much that their brains have fallen out.
 
On 22-Jan-15 9:22 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 22/01/2015 8:33 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
On 21/01/2015 11:33 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 22/01/2015 2:30 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

**Why? You said it in the title. It's all crap. Not worth reading about,
nor building a design which cannot possibly work.

I was just asking if anyone here had tried to make one, obviously I
wouldn't waste my time.
(There exists a shitload of 'overunity' videos, makes you wonder if
'crystals' and 'pyramid power' really died in the 70's. There seems to
be a new generation of ignorant i-fools.)



If you have read about GEET http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Geet/
then you could say I have built it sorta.

Only when I did it I knew nothing of this GEET nonsense, I simply built
a fuel vapor carb to test an engine that had a carburetor needing a kit.

The condition of the engine was unknown so I didn't want to order a kit
if the engine wasn't worth salvaging.

My fuel vapor carb consisted of a Milo tin with two holes drilled in the
top. One hose was shoved about 5 cm into the tin, connected to a valve
and then pushed firmly into the intake orifice of the engine with the
carb removed.

The other hose was pushed into the other hole to about 5mm from the
bottom of the Milo tin and then left to stick out from the top.

The idea is that any fuel (even contaminated with rubbish or other
liquids) gets vaporised by the bubbling effect of the air being drawn by
the engine through the fuel (and whatever) mixture and this vapour is
what the engine runs on.

Interesting, does it run well enough to be "driveable"? Or is it just
sufficient to start and test if an engine will run?


This worked perfectly well, and it's no different to what this GEET
nonsense does in essence.

Yes, fuel economy improved as you can lean an engine out quite
significantly and it will still run fine but of course the power output
drops under load so the net gain is nothing.

Some people still believe the GEET scam is real, presumably they have
opened their mind so much that their brains have fallen out.
 
On 22/01/2015 3:29 AM, news13 wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls wrote:

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

But you expect us to have done so?

I thought a few might have tried 'em out of sheer curiosity, suspension
of disbelief and all that..


In truth, I read the (free) instructions and decided nope. There was no
way I was going to scrounge various diameters of stainless steel pipe
grade BS-666 or what ever from kerbside.

Then from laying on the warnings thickly about it must be that specific
pipe and inner diameters, it next instruction was "spark a wire along the
length in one direction only, different direction for each diameter.

Highly specific to umgaba-gaba, yer sure.

I'm all for new break throughs in science, but really.

What worries me is the number of people who seem to believe in this
stuff. To me, it shows a lack of education combined with the
free-for-all internet/YouTube.
It would be a fantastic breakthrough if 'vacuum energy' etc. could be
tapped, but I'm pretty sure if it ever happens it won't be from some
fruitcake on YouTube, it will come from a university researcher.
 
On 22/01/2015 2:22 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 22/01/2015 8:33 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
On 21/01/2015 11:33 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 22/01/2015 2:30 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

**Why? You said it in the title. It's all crap. Not worth reading about,
nor building a design which cannot possibly work.

I was just asking if anyone here had tried to make one, obviously I
wouldn't waste my time.
(There exists a shitload of 'overunity' videos, makes you wonder if
'crystals' and 'pyramid power' really died in the 70's. There seems to
be a new generation of ignorant i-fools.)



If you have read about GEET http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Geet/
then you could say I have built it sorta.

Only when I did it I knew nothing of this GEET nonsense, I simply built
a fuel vapor carb to test an engine that had a carburetor needing a kit.

The condition of the engine was unknown so I didn't want to order a kit
if the engine wasn't worth salvaging.

My fuel vapor carb consisted of a Milo tin with two holes drilled in the
top. One hose was shoved about 5 cm into the tin, connected to a valve
and then pushed firmly into the intake orifice of the engine with the
carb removed.

The other hose was pushed into the other hole to about 5mm from the
bottom of the Milo tin and then left to stick out from the top.

The idea is that any fuel (even contaminated with rubbish or other
liquids) gets vaporised by the bubbling effect of the air being drawn by
the engine through the fuel (and whatever) mixture and this vapour is
what the engine runs on.

The explanation I found for GEET involves breaking down the molecules in
a plasma.......

"an engine with a GEET can run on all kind of “crazy” fuels, including
water, urine, coke, waste oil, etc."

This worked perfectly well, and it's no different to what this GEET
nonsense does in essence.

Yes, fuel economy improved as you can lean an engine out quite
significantly and it will still run fine but of course the power output
drops under load so the net gain is nothing.

Some people still believe the GEET scam is real, presumably they have
opened their mind so much that their brains have fallen out.

The guy behind this GEET 'invention' has been put into the Utah insane
asylum, right?
 
BuckyBalls wrote:
On 22/01/2015 3:29 AM, news13 wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls wrote:

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

But you expect us to have done so?

I thought a few might have tried 'em out of sheer curiosity, suspension
of disbelief and all that..



In truth, I read the (free) instructions and decided nope. There was no
way I was going to scrounge various diameters of stainless steel pipe
grade BS-666 or what ever from kerbside.

Then from laying on the warnings thickly about it must be that specific
pipe and inner diameters, it next instruction was "spark a wire along the
length in one direction only, different direction for each diameter.

Highly specific to umgaba-gaba, yer sure.

I'm all for new break throughs in science, but really.

What worries me is the number of people who seem to believe in this
stuff. To me, it shows a lack of education combined with the
free-for-all internet/YouTube.
It would be a fantastic breakthrough if 'vacuum energy' etc. could be
tapped, but I'm pretty sure if it ever happens it won't be from some
fruitcake on YouTube, it will come from a university researcher.
Probably,in this case but not necessarily,inventions quite often come
from people not in the field as they have no preconceived notions stuck
in their head that they find it hard to deviate from.
 
On 22/01/2015 1:10 PM, McAvity wrote:
On 22-Jan-15 9:22 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 22/01/2015 8:33 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
On 21/01/2015 11:33 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 22/01/2015 2:30 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

**Why? You said it in the title. It's all crap. Not worth reading
about,
nor building a design which cannot possibly work.

I was just asking if anyone here had tried to make one, obviously I
wouldn't waste my time.
(There exists a shitload of 'overunity' videos, makes you wonder if
'crystals' and 'pyramid power' really died in the 70's. There seems to
be a new generation of ignorant i-fools.)



If you have read about GEET http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Geet/
then you could say I have built it sorta.

Only when I did it I knew nothing of this GEET nonsense, I simply built
a fuel vapor carb to test an engine that had a carburetor needing a kit.

The condition of the engine was unknown so I didn't want to order a kit
if the engine wasn't worth salvaging.

My fuel vapor carb consisted of a Milo tin with two holes drilled in the
top. One hose was shoved about 5 cm into the tin, connected to a valve
and then pushed firmly into the intake orifice of the engine with the
carb removed.

The other hose was pushed into the other hole to about 5mm from the
bottom of the Milo tin and then left to stick out from the top.

The idea is that any fuel (even contaminated with rubbish or other
liquids) gets vaporised by the bubbling effect of the air being drawn by
the engine through the fuel (and whatever) mixture and this vapour is
what the engine runs on.


Interesting, does it run well enough to be "driveable"? Or is it just
sufficient to start and test if an engine will run?

It was a stationary lawnmower engine and I didn't load test it as such.
It ran perfectly well at whatever fixed RPM it was set to. It would have
cut grass even if the A/F mixture wasn't optimum.


This worked perfectly well, and it's no different to what this GEET
nonsense does in essence.

Yes, fuel economy improved as you can lean an engine out quite
significantly and it will still run fine but of course the power output
drops under load so the net gain is nothing.

Some people still believe the GEET scam is real, presumably they have
opened their mind so much that their brains have fallen out.
 
On 22/01/2015 9:42 PM, BuckyBalls wrote:
On 22/01/2015 2:22 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 22/01/2015 8:33 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
On 21/01/2015 11:33 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 22/01/2015 2:30 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

**Why? You said it in the title. It's all crap. Not worth reading
about,
nor building a design which cannot possibly work.

I was just asking if anyone here had tried to make one, obviously I
wouldn't waste my time.
(There exists a shitload of 'overunity' videos, makes you wonder if
'crystals' and 'pyramid power' really died in the 70's. There seems to
be a new generation of ignorant i-fools.)



If you have read about GEET http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Geet/
then you could say I have built it sorta.

Only when I did it I knew nothing of this GEET nonsense, I simply built
a fuel vapor carb to test an engine that had a carburetor needing a kit.

The condition of the engine was unknown so I didn't want to order a kit
if the engine wasn't worth salvaging.

My fuel vapor carb consisted of a Milo tin with two holes drilled in the
top. One hose was shoved about 5 cm into the tin, connected to a valve
and then pushed firmly into the intake orifice of the engine with the
carb removed.

The other hose was pushed into the other hole to about 5mm from the
bottom of the Milo tin and then left to stick out from the top.

The idea is that any fuel (even contaminated with rubbish or other
liquids) gets vaporised by the bubbling effect of the air being drawn by
the engine through the fuel (and whatever) mixture and this vapour is
what the engine runs on.

The explanation I found for GEET involves breaking down the molecules in
a plasma.......

That's just skypixie nonsense to distract from the fact that it's
nothing more than a fuel vapour carb.

"an engine with a GEET can run on all kind of “crazy” fuels, including
water, urine, coke, waste oil, etc."

Sure, but only when you add the bit they always leave off - the petrol.
Without petrol, it doesn't work.

Refer back to my fuel vapour carb as to why that is.

This worked perfectly well, and it's no different to what this GEET
nonsense does in essence.

Yes, fuel economy improved as you can lean an engine out quite
significantly and it will still run fine but of course the power output
drops under load so the net gain is nothing.

Some people still believe the GEET scam is real, presumably they have
opened their mind so much that their brains have fallen out.

The guy behind this GEET 'invention' has been put into the Utah insane
asylum, right?

He was jailed for fraud but of course the conspiracy kooks turned this
into "jailed for being an inventor".
 
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls <"The Pres"@yahoo.com>
wrote:

There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

I thought you already knew the result, so why ask.
 
"BuckyBalls" <"The Pres"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ci9v17Fb4odU1@mid.individual.net...
There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a clue
how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

Here, knock yourself out...

http://yak.net.au/i/freeenergy.jpg

'Scuse the shoddy drawing, but you get the gist.

Using nothing but water and gravity, you can generate free electricity!

Increase size of generator or decrease size of pump if you want more. Easy!
:p

The really sad thing is that if this sketch was shown to an MP or an energy
company CEO, they'd be up in arms demanding it be outlawed - such is the sad
state of affairs "at the top" these days :-/

--
Bob Milutinovic
Cognicom
 
"BuckyBalls" <"The Pres"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ciaupuFjhf2U1@mid.individual.net...
On 21/01/2015 11:33 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 22/01/2015 2:30 AM, BuckyBalls wrote:
There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

**Why? You said it in the title. It's all crap. Not worth reading about,
nor building a design which cannot possibly work.

I was just asking if anyone here had tried to make one, obviously I
wouldn't waste my time.
(There exists a shitload of 'overunity' videos, makes you wonder if
'crystals' and 'pyramid power' really died in the 70's. There seems to be
a new generation of ignorant i-fools.)

The majority of SepticLand accepts that "HiClones" are a functional,
legitimate product.

I only recently (whilst rummaging for car maintenance info) stumbled across
a forum where they were debating the merits of installing a "HiClone" on a
new car, as the performance benefits are apparently more marked on older
cars :-/

--
Bob Milutinovic
Cognicom
 
"BuckyBalls" <"The Pres"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cicalqFtqmsU1@mid.individual.net...
On 22/01/2015 3:29 AM, news13 wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls wrote:

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

But you expect us to have done so?

I thought a few might have tried 'em out of sheer curiosity, suspension of
disbelief and all that..



In truth, I read the (free) instructions and decided nope. There was no
way I was going to scrounge various diameters of stainless steel pipe
grade BS-666 or what ever from kerbside.

Then from laying on the warnings thickly about it must be that specific
pipe and inner diameters, it next instruction was "spark a wire along the
length in one direction only, different direction for each diameter.

Highly specific to umgaba-gaba, yer sure.

I'm all for new break throughs in science, but really.

What worries me is the number of people who seem to believe in this stuff.
To me, it shows a lack of education combined with the free-for-all
internet/YouTube.
It would be a fantastic breakthrough if 'vacuum energy' etc. could be
tapped, but I'm pretty sure if it ever happens it won't be from some
fruitcake on YouTube, it will come from a university researcher.

Here's some "vacuum energy" which WILL work.

http://yak.net.au/i/vacuumenergy.jpg

Might be just a teency bit difficult to construct, but in the world of
pseudoscience, who cares?

--
Bob Milutinovic
Cognicom
 
On 23/01/2015 8:21 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls <"The Pres"@yahoo.com
wrote:

There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

I thought you already knew the result, so why ask.

He presumably wants the opinion of people who might have tried to
replicate the results as a basis for comparison to the claims of the
"silly people".
 
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:11:14 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 23/01/2015 8:21 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls <"The Pres"@yahoo.com
wrote:

There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

I thought you already knew the result, so why ask.



He presumably wants the opinion of people who might have tried to
replicate the results as a basis for comparison to the claims of the
"silly people".

I have no problem at all with people experimenting with over unity
ideas (as long as they're not attempting to profit from them).
Do any work? No. Not yet, anyway. Scientific 'facts' such as the laws
of physics are 'facts'... right up until the moment they're no longer
facts. By that I don't mean I do not believe in the laws of physics as
we understand them, but things like this tend to be disproved at some
point in history. I see no harm in keeping an open mind and/or flying
in the face of convention, it's the only way we have progressed.
 
On 25/01/2015 5:19 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:11:14 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

On 23/01/2015 8:21 AM, none@all.org wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:30:47 +0100, BuckyBalls <"The Pres"@yahoo.com
wrote:

There's a shitload of silly people posting stuff on YouTube about
so-called 'overunity' motors/generators (Bedini is just one of them).
It is obvious that the people building these devices wouldn't have a
clue how to measure what power is going in and coming out of them.

That said, I was wondering if anyone here in aus.electronics has ever
experimented with these 'overunity' designs, and what was the result?

I thought you already knew the result, so why ask.



He presumably wants the opinion of people who might have tried to
replicate the results as a basis for comparison to the claims of the
"silly people".

I have no problem at all with people experimenting with over unity
ideas (as long as they're not attempting to profit from them).
Do any work? No. Not yet, anyway. Scientific 'facts' such as the laws
of physics are 'facts'... right up until the moment they're no longer
facts. By that I don't mean I do not believe in the laws of physics as
we understand them, but things like this tend to be disproved at some
point in history. I see no harm in keeping an open mind and/or flying
in the face of convention, it's the only way we have progressed.

That's fair enough.
 

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