Battery power

In article <gsfkqf$1ao$1@news.motzarella.org>,
James Sweet <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> wrote:
In regards to UPS on a generator, be aware that some UPS's do not like
the output of some generators, and will refuse to switch out of battery
mode. Cheap generators tend to have really dirty nasty output.
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I was in B&Q the other day and was looking at some cheap generators and
they had warnings on them saying not suitable for electronic equipment.

However, it seems a lot of generators have a 12V DC output. Why not slap
this across the 12V battery in your UPS and charge directly?
 
Stuart wrote:
In article <gsfkqf$1ao$1@news.motzarella.org>,
James Sweet <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> wrote:
In regards to UPS on a generator, be aware that some UPS's do not like
the output of some generators, and will refuse to switch out of battery
mode. Cheap generators tend to have really dirty nasty output.

I was in B&Q the other day and was looking at some cheap generators and
they had warnings on them saying not suitable for electronic equipment.

However, it seems a lot of generators have a 12V DC output. Why not slap
this across the 12V battery in your UPS and charge directly?
Click to expand...

That ought to work, though it's a bit of a hassle.

FYI, the Honda inverter generators are excellent, friend of mine bought
one a couple years ago and I've seen nothing else like it. Compared to
my dad's generator I've borrowed, the inverter type is whisper quiet,
sips fuel, and we haven't found anything it doesn't run correctly.
Spendy, but well worth it.
 
In article <gsgjgm$a7c$2@news.motzarella.org>,
James Sweet <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> wrote:

FYI, the Honda inverter generators are excellent, friend of mine bought
one a couple years ago and I've seen nothing else like it. Compared to
my dad's generator I've borrowed, the inverter type is whisper quiet,
sips fuel, and we haven't found anything it doesn't run correctly.
Spendy, but well worth it.
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Thanks for the tip. I think if I was in the market for a generator though,
I'd be trying to find a diesel because you can use cheap "red" diesel in
them.

For those across the pond who may not be acquainted with the term, in the
UK, diesel for agricultural or industrial use such as power generation,
isn't subject to the high duty you have to pay on "road" diesel, and is
much cheaper. It is treated with a red dye which provides a "tell tale" if
you do try using it your car or truck.
 
Stuart wrote:
In article <gsgjgm$a7c$2@news.motzarella.org>,
James Sweet <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> wrote:

FYI, the Honda inverter generators are excellent, friend of mine bought
one a couple years ago and I've seen nothing else like it. Compared to
my dad's generator I've borrowed, the inverter type is whisper quiet,
sips fuel, and we haven't found anything it doesn't run correctly.
Spendy, but well worth it.

Thanks for the tip. I think if I was in the market for a generator though,
I'd be trying to find a diesel because you can use cheap "red" diesel in
them.

For those across the pond who may not be acquainted with the term, in the
UK, diesel for agricultural or industrial use such as power generation,
isn't subject to the high duty you have to pay on "road" diesel, and is
much cheaper. It is treated with a red dye which provides a "tell tale" if
you do try using it your car or truck.
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That would be nice, but I've never seen a compact portable diesel
generator over here. The generators I'm referring to are 2KW units about
the size of a small beer cooler, you can carry them with one hand.

I wonder how they prevent people from using red diesel in vehicles? I
think we have something similar here, I've heard it called off road
diesel, I can't imagine they'd be randomly stopping people to inspect
the color of their fuel.
 
In article <gsiql2$k3j$1@news.motzarella.org>,
James Sweet <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> wrote:

I wonder how they prevent people from using red diesel in vehicles? I
think we have something similar here, I've heard it called off road
diesel, I can't imagine they'd be randomly stopping people to inspect
the color of their fuel.
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I have heard of checks happening at things like stock (as in animal)
markets and other agricultural gatherings to catch farmers who might be
illegally using it.

The police also set up roadblocks to do random checks on heavy goods
vehicles and although these are primarily aimed at safety and weight I
guess checking the fuel wouldn't be difficult. The checks are mainly aimed
at vehicles coming across from the continent, especially eastern europe
where safety and maintenance standards usually fall far short of our own.

There are two places I know of, about 20 miles from here in opposite
directions, where they have roadside weighbridges to check for overloaded
trucks.
 
"Stuart" <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:504eab6fe6Spambin@argonet.co.uk...
In article <gsfkqf$1ao$1@news.motzarella.org>,
James Sweet <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> wrote:
In regards to UPS on a generator, be aware that some UPS's do not like
the output of some generators, and will refuse to switch out of battery
mode. Cheap generators tend to have really dirty nasty output.

I was in B&Q the other day and was looking at some cheap generators and
they had warnings on them saying not suitable for electronic equipment.

However, it seems a lot of generators have a 12V DC output. Why not slap
this across the 12V battery in your UPS and charge directly?
Click to expand...

Yes there is a 12V output. But shouldn't the battery need a little higher
for charging? Also negative to negative and positive to positive right? I
dont want to screw my battery ;)
 
Papita wrote:
"Stuart" <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:504eab6fe6Spambin@argonet.co.uk...
In article <gsfkqf$1ao$1@news.motzarella.org>,
James Sweet <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> wrote:
In regards to UPS on a generator, be aware that some UPS's do not like
the output of some generators, and will refuse to switch out of battery
mode. Cheap generators tend to have really dirty nasty output.

I was in B&Q the other day and was looking at some cheap generators and
they had warnings on them saying not suitable for electronic equipment.

However, it seems a lot of generators have a 12V DC output. Why not slap
this across the 12V battery in your UPS and charge directly?


Yes there is a 12V output. But shouldn't the battery need a little
higher for charging? Also negative to negative and positive to positive
right? I dont want to screw my battery ;)
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The "12V" is actually a bit higher, charging 12V batteries is exactly
what it's designed for. Yes, + to + and - to -, get that backwards and
you get fireworks.
 
In article <gsiql2$k3j$1@news.motzarella.org>,
James Sweet <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> writes:
Stuart wrote:
Thanks for the tip. I think if I was in the market for a generator though,
I'd be trying to find a diesel because you can use cheap "red" diesel in
them.

For those across the pond who may not be acquainted with the term, in the
UK, diesel for agricultural or industrial use such as power generation,
isn't subject to the high duty you have to pay on "road" diesel, and is
much cheaper. It is treated with a red dye which provides a "tell tale" if
you do try using it your car or truck.



That would be nice, but I've never seen a compact portable diesel
generator over here. The generators I'm referring to are 2KW units about
the size of a small beer cooler, you can carry them with one hand.

I wonder how they prevent people from using red diesel in vehicles? I
think we have something similar here, I've heard it called off road
diesel, I can't imagine they'd be randomly stopping people to inspect
the color of their fuel.
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That's exactly what's done. People who do this do seem to draw
attention to themselves, e.g. also driving with lights not working,
without insurance and/or car tax, etc, and that's normally the
initial reason they get stopped, where upon a further search often
reveals a series of other offences, such as using red diesel.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
 
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Stuart wrote:
In article <gsgjgm$a7c$2@news.motzarella.org>,
James Sweet <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> wrote:

FYI, the Honda inverter generators are excellent, friend of mine bought
one a couple years ago and I've seen nothing else like it. Compared to
my dad's generator I've borrowed, the inverter type is whisper quiet,
sips fuel, and we haven't found anything it doesn't run correctly.
Spendy, but well worth it.

Thanks for the tip. I think if I was in the market for a generator
though,
I'd be trying to find a diesel because you can use cheap "red" diesel in
them.

For those across the pond who may not be acquainted with the term, in the
UK, diesel for agricultural or industrial use such as power generation,
isn't subject to the high duty you have to pay on "road" diesel, and is
much cheaper. It is treated with a red dye which provides a "tell tale"
if
you do try using it your car or truck.



That would be nice, but I've never seen a compact portable diesel
generator over here. The generators I'm referring to are 2KW units about
the size of a small beer cooler, you can carry them with one hand.

I wonder how they prevent people from using red diesel in vehicles? I
think we have something similar here, I've heard it called off road
diesel, I can't imagine they'd be randomly stopping people to inspect the
color of their fuel.
Here, we have 3 kinds of diesel:black, for maritime;red for heating;and
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colourless for all other uses, including vehicles and ICE engines in
general. Note, though, all small generators are usually gasoline.



--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
hordad AT otenet DOT gr
 
In article <gsiql2$k3j$1@news.motzarella.org>,
James Sweet <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> wrote:
That would be nice, but I've never seen a compact portable diesel
generator over here. The generators I'm referring to are 2KW units about
the size of a small beer cooler, you can carry them with one hand.
Click to expand...
Looking round quickly at one of the "high street" suppliers it seems
you're looking at about 4kVA for the smallest diesel and I confess it
doesn't look like you could carry it with one hand :-(
 
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:48:16 +0500, "Papita" <tori@nowhere.com> wrote:

"Stuart" <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:504eab6fe6Spambin@argonet.co.uk...
In article <gsfkqf$1ao$1@news.motzarella.org>,
James Sweet <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> wrote:
In regards to UPS on a generator, be aware that some UPS's do not like
the output of some generators, and will refuse to switch out of battery
mode. Cheap generators tend to have really dirty nasty output.

I was in B&Q the other day and was looking at some cheap generators and
they had warnings on them saying not suitable for electronic equipment.

However, it seems a lot of generators have a 12V DC output. Why not slap
this across the 12V battery in your UPS and charge directly?


Yes there is a 12V output. But shouldn't the battery need a little higher
for charging? Also negative to negative and positive to positive right? I
dont want to screw my battery ;)
Click to expand...
The "12 volt DC" output on my Honda 2000 is intended for charging
batteries. However, you can get a larger charging current by using
the AC output to power a conventional charger.


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
 
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