Batteries That Do Not Leak w/Age?

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Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak
with age?

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive
replacement interval for size "C" cells?
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PeteCresswell
 
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
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Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak
with age?

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive
replacement interval for size "C" cells?
--
PeteCresswell


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Duracell batteries are the most notorious for leaking. Almost any brand is
better, but they'll all leak eventually. If a flashlight isn't used much, I
would say the batterie should be able to go about a year between changes. If
it's used a lot, perhaps 6 months or until the batteries discharge. If you
leave the flashlight on until the batteries discharge, all bets are off.
 
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:01:43 -0500, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak
with age?

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive
replacement interval for size "C" cells?
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And, can anyone suggest a good technique to extract bad, swollen
"C" batteries (accumulators) out of a Mag-Lite flashlight (torch)?

Lately I've been thinking "a good old fashioned cork-screw!"

The flashlight (torch) looks ok otherwise...

Jonesy
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"Allodoxaphobia" <knock_yourself_out@example.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:01:43 -0500, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak
with age?

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive
replacement interval for size "C" cells?

And, can anyone suggest a good technique to extract bad, swollen
"C" batteries (accumulators) out of a Mag-Lite flashlight (torch)?

Lately I've been thinking "a good old fashioned cork-screw!"

The flashlight (torch) looks ok otherwise...

Jonesy
Click to expand...
I use a course 4.5 inch deck screw and vise grips. Some PB Blaster sprayed
in first and allow to soak.
 
Allodoxaphobia wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:01:43 -0500, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak
with age?

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive
replacement interval for size "C" cells?

And, can anyone suggest a good technique to extract bad, swollen
"C" batteries (accumulators) out of a Mag-Lite flashlight (torch)?

Lately I've been thinking "a good old fashioned cork-screw!"

The flashlight (torch) looks ok otherwise...
Click to expand...
I recently had to extract AA size cells from such a flashlight.
I found a twist drill (sized a bit smaller than the cell dia.)
worked effectively (use a drill press if you don't have a steady
hand as going in "off axis" will damage the flashlight).

Dental instruments are handy for fishing out the remnants of
the "gored" cells.

(N.B. watch your penetration lest you drill past the "frontmost"
cell and into the mechanism itself!)

HTH,
--don
 
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak
with age?

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive
replacement interval for size "C" cells?
Click to expand...
**Yep, although the answer is probably not going to help you all that much.
Back in 1986, I purchased a JVC TV set. The remote control came fitted with
three JVC branded alkaline batteries (AA size). I finally handed the set
over to a family member back in 2000. I figured I should check the
batteries, even though the remote worked fine. Sure enough, the batteries
weren't leaking, but the cell Volts had fallen to less than 1 Volt in each.
A new set of cells and I handed the set over.

JVC alkalines rule!

I've never seen another JVC branded alkaline.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:01:43 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>
wrote:

Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak
with age?
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Yes.
<http://gadgets.softpedia.com/news/New-Hitachi-Maxell-Alkaline-Batteries-Touted-As-Leak-Proof-789-01.html>
However, I have no experience with these. I've been wrapping my
flashlight batteries in cellophane wrap for years. I have had leaks,
but little damage.

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.
Click to expand...
How old were the batteries?

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive
replacement interval for size "C" cells?
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5 years would be my guess. The ideal self discharge rate of about 2%
for alkalines should leave you with a 90% charge after 5 years.
However, getting the battery hot, as in your vehicle (or bicycle),
will rapidly decrease the self discharge rate. When the battery gets
nearly dead (at about 25% capacity), it starts to belch hydrogen,
which is the major cause of leakage.

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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On 27 Nov 2010 04:23:53 GMT, Allodoxaphobia
<knock_yourself_out@example.net> wrote:

And, can anyone suggest a good technique to extract bad, swollen
"C" batteries (accumulators) out of a Mag-Lite flashlight (torch)?
Click to expand...
Maglite flashlights all have screw on caps at both ends of the
flashlight. Unscrew both ends, lubricate, and beat on the battery
with a wooden dowel and hammer.
<http://www.maglite.com/anatomy.asp>
Maglite flashlights are not warrantied for battery leakage. However,
they do have an arrangement with some battery manufactories to replace
your Maglite at their expense. See bottom of:
<http://www.maglite.com/faq_details.asp?faqProd=D>

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
Experiences vary, but I've had Duracells leak and damage two items.
(Duracell was very good about fixing one of the items.) Some have had the
opposite experience, having trouble with Energizers and not with Duracells,
but the majority of leaks seem to be from Duracells. I will not purchase
Duracells. and use them only if they .

When I say "leak", I mean liquid coming out of the cell. I'm not talking
about the solid deposits that sometimes appear with any alkaline cell.

For AA cells, get Costco Kirkland, made by Hitachi. They're cheap (25 cents
each) and have reasonably good capacity. I've used them for several years
and have no complaints.

If you use the flashlight often, get some high-capacity NiMH C cells and a
charger. The higher-capacity NiMH cells have a capacity equal to or greater
than a disposable cell, so their cost is quickly recouped with items you use
a lot.
 
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak
with age?

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive
replacement interval for size "C" cells?

**Yep, although the answer is probably not going to help you all that
much. Back in 1986, I purchased a JVC TV set. The remote control came
fitted with three JVC branded alkaline batteries (AA size). I finally
handed the set over to a family member back in 2000. I figured I should
check the batteries, even though the remote worked fine. Sure enough, the
batteries weren't leaking, but the cell Volts had fallen to less than 1
Volt in each. A new set of cells and I handed the set over.

JVC alkalines rule!

I've never seen another JVC branded alkaline.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
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I recently acquired a Micronta 22-206 FET multimeter dating from 1975.
It was in it's box with packing, the controls were seized but responded to
lubrication, and the original 1975 batteries were still there. A "C" cell
and a 9v battery, both Radio Shack's brand, dead as a doornail, but NO
leakage.
They were pristine. Boy, did I feel lucky that day.

Mark Z.
 
Per Jeff Liebermann:
How old were the batteries?
Click to expand...
Dunno, but now I am going to start putting a strip of electrical
tape on each device and writing the battery date on it.

With that in place, I think 12-month replacement sounds
reasonable. I'm not going for the last dime, just want the thing
to work when I need it.
--
PeteCresswell
 
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:53:18 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>
wrote:

Per Jeff Liebermann:

How old were the batteries?

Dunno, but now I am going to start putting a strip of electrical
tape on each device and writing the battery date on it.
Click to expand...
Umm... it's kinda difficult to scribble on electrical tape. I suggest
a stick on address label instead.

With that in place, I think 12-month replacement sounds
reasonable. I'm not going for the last dime, just want the thing
to work when I need it.
Click to expand...
When the site comes back up, you might want to dig through:
<http://www.candlepowerforums.com>
Most of the users in that forum make their own flashlights (and
bicycle lights) because the commercial stuff is either overpriced or
not very reliable.

Note: The 5 year battery cycle time is my guess and may not reflect
reality. I'll ask the local emergency services people what they
consider to be reasonable.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
In article <pan.2010.11.27.18.23.03@lmao.lol.lol>,
Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:01:43 -0500, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak with
age?

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive replacement
interval for size "C" cells?

Duracell is notorious for leaks. I've pounded out a couple from my two 3D
cell lights before switching to Energizer.
Click to expand...
I don't think any of the popular brands are better or worse than the
other. My experience has been just the opposite of of the above poster.
I use Duracells almost exclusively because I have had nothing but
trouble with Energizers. So you make your choice and make periodic
checks on your devices. Yes a PIA.

Chuck P.
 
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:01:43 -0500, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak with
age?

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive replacement
interval for size "C" cells?
Click to expand...
Duracell is notorious for leaks. I've pounded out a couple from my two 3D
cell lights before switching to Energizer.



--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
 
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak
with age?

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive
replacement interval for size "C" cells?
Click to expand...
Does anyone still sell 10 year shelf life lithium cells?

Do they actually last that long?

Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to misquote it.
 
The labelling of batteries in battery operated devices may seem like
obsessive behavior to many, but I've been doing it for years.
I typically place a bit of pressure sensitive adhesive/self-stick paper
label on or inside a battery cover, or write a month/year directly on one of
the batteries with a Sharpie marker.

The paper label can hold several dates before it needs replaced, or erase a
previous date if marked in pencil.

I'll replace batteries in flashlights and test meters/equipment after a
year, even if they're not low, and put a piece of tape over the terminals of
a 9V, or put AAA, AAs and others in a small zip-close bag, keeping sets
together.. then use those previously used batteries for temporary use of
checking other devices (after quickly checking them with a tester).

I also label my rechargeable power tool batteries, so I can see the last
time they were charged.
Any time I notice that they haven't had a recent charge, I'll refresh their
charge and remark 'em.

It's not a big deal, after one gets used to marking things regularly.. at
least it eliminates all the guessing.

--
Cheers,
WB
..............


"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in message
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Per Jeff Liebermann:

How old were the batteries?

Dunno, but now I am going to start putting a strip of electrical
tape on each device and writing the battery date on it.

With that in place, I think 12-month replacement sounds
reasonable. I'm not going for the last dime, just want the thing
to work when I need it.
--
PeteCresswell
Click to expand...
 
"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote in
news:slrnif2ivc.8c9.gsm@cable.mendelson.com:

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Is there any such thing as an alkaline battery that does not leak
with age?

I just had my second episode of Mallory Duracells gooping up a
flashlight.

If the answer is "no", can anybody venture a proactive
replacement interval for size "C" cells?

Does anyone still sell 10 year shelf life lithium cells?

Do they actually last that long?

Geoff.
Click to expand...
the 123 cells I got from Surefire have not leaked in over 8 years.
marked with an Exp date of 5-2013.
I have no idea who makes them for Surefire.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
 
Per Jeff Liebermann:
When the site comes back up, you might want to dig through:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com
Most of the users in that forum make their own flashlights (and
bicycle lights) because the commercial stuff is either overpriced or
not very reliable.
Click to expand...
It's back up and looks promising except that somebody's gone
overboard with image verification. It's required for every post,
every search, and every preview - even when the user is logged
in.
--
PeteCresswell
 
On 11/28/2010 10:26 AM (PeteCresswell) spake thus:

Per Jeff Liebermann:

When the site comes back up, you might want to dig through:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com> Most of the users in that forum
make their own flashlights (and bicycle lights) because the
commercial stuff is either overpriced or not very reliable.

It's back up and looks promising except that somebody's gone
overboard with image verification. It's required for every post,
every search, and every preview - even when the user is logged
in.
Click to expand...
Sounds like that sucks. Maybe you ought to notify them?

I just get a totally blank page when I try to go there.


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with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

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On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 18:24:28 -0800, David Nebenzahl
<nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:

On 11/28/2010 10:26 AM (PeteCresswell) spake thus:

Per Jeff Liebermann:

When the site comes back up, you might want to dig through:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com> Most of the users in that forum
make their own flashlights (and bicycle lights) because the
commercial stuff is either overpriced or not very reliable.

It's back up and looks promising except that somebody's gone
overboard with image verification. It's required for every post,
every search, and every preview - even when the user is logged
in.

Sounds like that sucks. Maybe you ought to notify them?
I just get a totally blank page when I try to go there.
Click to expand...
I got a page or two before it crawled to a stop. The site is VERY
slow. However, new posts seem to be appearing on the pages I was able
to view. If it ever comes back, it's the main site for experimenting
with flashlights and illumination devices.

Oops... Looks like they're down again:
CPF is closed at this time in order to fix a
few things from the upgrade.
It make take some time. I don't know.

The grammar error makes me suspect that someone has been up all night.




--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
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