Bad Chargers...

[Eddy Lee]

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 12:54:12 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 3:43:24 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:19:35 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/2022 9:12 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/2022 2:57 AM, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 6:44:22 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Recently, i met a Bolt driver with exactly this problem, while the
other charger at the same site won\'t work at all. At another site, a
Ioniq driver was waiting for AAA because both chargers won\'t work for
him.

CDM was working fine for me in both cases. So, good for me for now.

If CCS is the only option for cars, i\'ll go back to gas.

\"The representative told me to hold the charging handle up once it
was connected to the car rather than let the weight of the cable pull
it down. The CCS cable and handle are hefty old things, much larger
than the more elegant Supercharger plug. I\'m beginning to think it\'s
too heavy, or maybe carmakers are not making their charge ports
robust enough, because I think a lot of these communication errors
come from the plug weighing down and one or more pins losing their
connection.\"

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/07/electric-cars-are-doomed-if-fast-charger-reliability-doesnt-get-better/


Glad I drive a Tesla.


Everyone around here charges at home, half the non-Tesla public chargers
are broken because nobody besides weirdos like Ed Lee uses them anyway.
But there\'s no shortage of EVs operating day in day out just fine..

\"But it\'s impossible to divorce oneself from the cultural context of the
car, now tightly bound to the American sense of identity following
decades of post-war construction that reshaped our built environment to
prioritize the individual driver against all others. A car means
freedom—being able to travel from coast to coast on a whim\"
Incidentally spending a huge lot of government money to put charging
stations on every corner just to appease some historical American
automobile-freedom cult is a huge waste of money, too.

Stop subsidizing the petroleum industry and they\'ll sell just fine
divorced from \"cultural context\" or not.
Whether they should spend all these money on connectors is a different story. But if they do spend the money, spend it on good connectors, not on CCS shit.
I guess the prediction of demise of CCS was premature (by a year).
CCS days are numbered.
It will be a lot more than a year and only CCS1. You need to distinguish the two. The EU is firmly CCS2 and the US may end up with the NACS.

Things could change. CCS v1/v2 are horrible designs to sidetrack CDM and NACS. I don\'t see why the EU would want to keep it going forward. They might come up with something else and call it CCS v3.

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 4:02:58 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 12:54:12 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 3:43:24 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:19:35 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/2022 9:12 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/2022 2:57 AM, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 6:44:22 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Recently, i met a Bolt driver with exactly this problem, while the
other charger at the same site won\'t work at all. At another site, a
Ioniq driver was waiting for AAA because both chargers won\'t work for
him.

CDM was working fine for me in both cases. So, good for me for now.

If CCS is the only option for cars, i\'ll go back to gas.

\"The representative told me to hold the charging handle up once it
was connected to the car rather than let the weight of the cable pull
it down. The CCS cable and handle are hefty old things, much larger
than the more elegant Supercharger plug. I\'m beginning to think it\'s
too heavy, or maybe carmakers are not making their charge ports
robust enough, because I think a lot of these communication errors
come from the plug weighing down and one or more pins losing their
connection.\"

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/07/electric-cars-are-doomed-if-fast-charger-reliability-doesnt-get-better/


Glad I drive a Tesla.


Everyone around here charges at home, half the non-Tesla public chargers
are broken because nobody besides weirdos like Ed Lee uses them anyway.
But there\'s no shortage of EVs operating day in day out just fine.

\"But it\'s impossible to divorce oneself from the cultural context of the
car, now tightly bound to the American sense of identity following
decades of post-war construction that reshaped our built environment to
prioritize the individual driver against all others. A car means
freedom—being able to travel from coast to coast on a whim\"
Incidentally spending a huge lot of government money to put charging
stations on every corner just to appease some historical American
automobile-freedom cult is a huge waste of money, too.

Stop subsidizing the petroleum industry and they\'ll sell just fine
divorced from \"cultural context\" or not.
Whether they should spend all these money on connectors is a different story. But if they do spend the money, spend it on good connectors, not on CCS shit.
I guess the prediction of demise of CCS was premature (by a year).
CCS days are numbered.
It will be a lot more than a year and only CCS1. You need to distinguish the two. The EU is firmly CCS2 and the US may end up with the NACS.
Things could change. CCS v1/v2 are horrible designs to sidetrack CDM and NACS. I don\'t see why the EU would want to keep it going forward. They might come up with something else and call it CCS v3.

Because they, unlike you, understand what it means to have a standard. They don\'t use pointless terms like \"horrible\" to evaluate technical matters.

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 2:00:51 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 4:02:58 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 12:54:12 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 3:43:24 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:19:35 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/2022 9:12 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/2022 2:57 AM, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 6:44:22 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Recently, i met a Bolt driver with exactly this problem, while the
other charger at the same site won\'t work at all. At another site, a
Ioniq driver was waiting for AAA because both chargers won\'t work for
him.

CDM was working fine for me in both cases. So, good for me for now.

If CCS is the only option for cars, i\'ll go back to gas.

\"The representative told me to hold the charging handle up once it
was connected to the car rather than let the weight of the cable pull
it down. The CCS cable and handle are hefty old things, much larger
than the more elegant Supercharger plug. I\'m beginning to think it\'s
too heavy, or maybe carmakers are not making their charge ports
robust enough, because I think a lot of these communication errors
come from the plug weighing down and one or more pins losing their
connection.\"

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/07/electric-cars-are-doomed-if-fast-charger-reliability-doesnt-get-better/


Glad I drive a Tesla.


Everyone around here charges at home, half the non-Tesla public chargers
are broken because nobody besides weirdos like Ed Lee uses them anyway.
But there\'s no shortage of EVs operating day in day out just fine.

\"But it\'s impossible to divorce oneself from the cultural context of the
car, now tightly bound to the American sense of identity following
decades of post-war construction that reshaped our built environment to
prioritize the individual driver against all others. A car means
freedom—being able to travel from coast to coast on a whim\"
Incidentally spending a huge lot of government money to put charging
stations on every corner just to appease some historical American
automobile-freedom cult is a huge waste of money, too.

Stop subsidizing the petroleum industry and they\'ll sell just fine
divorced from \"cultural context\" or not.
Whether they should spend all these money on connectors is a different story. But if they do spend the money, spend it on good connectors, not on CCS shit.
I guess the prediction of demise of CCS was premature (by a year).
CCS days are numbered.
It will be a lot more than a year and only CCS1. You need to distinguish the two. The EU is firmly CCS2 and the US may end up with the NACS.
Things could change. CCS v1/v2 are horrible designs to sidetrack CDM and NACS. I don\'t see why the EU would want to keep it going forward. They might come up with something else and call it CCS v3.
Because they, unlike you, understand what it means to have a standard. They don\'t use pointless terms like \"horrible\" to evaluate technical matters.

I guess the CCS connector is designed by auto execs driving ICE cars. CCS connector is horrible for lack of a better term.

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 5:20:41 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 2:00:51 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 4:02:58 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 12:54:12 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 3:43:24 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:19:35 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/2022 9:12 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/2022 2:57 AM, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 6:44:22 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Recently, i met a Bolt driver with exactly this problem, while the
other charger at the same site won\'t work at all. At another site, a
Ioniq driver was waiting for AAA because both chargers won\'t work for
him.

CDM was working fine for me in both cases. So, good for me for now.

If CCS is the only option for cars, i\'ll go back to gas.

\"The representative told me to hold the charging handle up once it
was connected to the car rather than let the weight of the cable pull
it down. The CCS cable and handle are hefty old things, much larger
than the more elegant Supercharger plug. I\'m beginning to think it\'s
too heavy, or maybe carmakers are not making their charge ports
robust enough, because I think a lot of these communication errors
come from the plug weighing down and one or more pins losing their
connection.\"

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/07/electric-cars-are-doomed-if-fast-charger-reliability-doesnt-get-better/


Glad I drive a Tesla.


Everyone around here charges at home, half the non-Tesla public chargers
are broken because nobody besides weirdos like Ed Lee uses them anyway.
But there\'s no shortage of EVs operating day in day out just fine.

\"But it\'s impossible to divorce oneself from the cultural context of the
car, now tightly bound to the American sense of identity following
decades of post-war construction that reshaped our built environment to
prioritize the individual driver against all others. A car means
freedom—being able to travel from coast to coast on a whim\"
Incidentally spending a huge lot of government money to put charging
stations on every corner just to appease some historical American
automobile-freedom cult is a huge waste of money, too.

Stop subsidizing the petroleum industry and they\'ll sell just fine
divorced from \"cultural context\" or not.
Whether they should spend all these money on connectors is a different story. But if they do spend the money, spend it on good connectors, not on CCS shit.
I guess the prediction of demise of CCS was premature (by a year)..
CCS days are numbered.
It will be a lot more than a year and only CCS1. You need to distinguish the two. The EU is firmly CCS2 and the US may end up with the NACS.
Things could change. CCS v1/v2 are horrible designs to sidetrack CDM and NACS. I don\'t see why the EU would want to keep it going forward. They might come up with something else and call it CCS v3.
Because they, unlike you, understand what it means to have a standard. They don\'t use pointless terms like \"horrible\" to evaluate technical matters.
I guess the CCS connector is designed by auto execs driving ICE cars. CCS connector is horrible for lack of a better term.

Whatever. It seems to charge a lot of cars in Europe. I\'ve never met an electric car owner who didn\'t like it. I can say never, because although I know you, I don\'t consider you to own an electric car. Your car can only travel 50 miles without charging, when the first 30 miles are down hill. I know people with electric skateboards that go further, and whine less.

--

Rick C.

++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 2:37:11 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 5:20:41 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 2:00:51 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 4:02:58 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 12:54:12 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 3:43:24 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:19:35 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/2022 9:12 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/2022 2:57 AM, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 6:44:22 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
Recently, i met a Bolt driver with exactly this problem, while the
other charger at the same site won\'t work at all. At another site, a
Ioniq driver was waiting for AAA because both chargers won\'t work for
him.

CDM was working fine for me in both cases. So, good for me for now.

If CCS is the only option for cars, i\'ll go back to gas..

\"The representative told me to hold the charging handle up once it
was connected to the car rather than let the weight of the cable pull
it down. The CCS cable and handle are hefty old things, much larger
than the more elegant Supercharger plug. I\'m beginning to think it\'s
too heavy, or maybe carmakers are not making their charge ports
robust enough, because I think a lot of these communication errors
come from the plug weighing down and one or more pins losing their
connection.\"

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/07/electric-cars-are-doomed-if-fast-charger-reliability-doesnt-get-better/


Glad I drive a Tesla.


Everyone around here charges at home, half the non-Tesla public chargers
are broken because nobody besides weirdos like Ed Lee uses them anyway.
But there\'s no shortage of EVs operating day in day out just fine.

\"But it\'s impossible to divorce oneself from the cultural context of the
car, now tightly bound to the American sense of identity following
decades of post-war construction that reshaped our built environment to
prioritize the individual driver against all others. A car means
freedom—being able to travel from coast to coast on a whim\"
Incidentally spending a huge lot of government money to put charging
stations on every corner just to appease some historical American
automobile-freedom cult is a huge waste of money, too.

Stop subsidizing the petroleum industry and they\'ll sell just fine
divorced from \"cultural context\" or not.
Whether they should spend all these money on connectors is a different story. But if they do spend the money, spend it on good connectors, not on CCS shit.
I guess the prediction of demise of CCS was premature (by a year).
CCS days are numbered.
It will be a lot more than a year and only CCS1. You need to distinguish the two. The EU is firmly CCS2 and the US may end up with the NACS.
Things could change. CCS v1/v2 are horrible designs to sidetrack CDM and NACS. I don\'t see why the EU would want to keep it going forward. They might come up with something else and call it CCS v3.
Because they, unlike you, understand what it means to have a standard.. They don\'t use pointless terms like \"horrible\" to evaluate technical matters.
I guess the CCS connector is designed by auto execs driving ICE cars. CCS connector is horrible for lack of a better term.
Whatever. It seems to charge a lot of cars in Europe. I\'ve never met an electric car owner who didn\'t like it. I can say never, because although I know you, I don\'t consider you to own an electric car. Your car can only travel 50 miles without charging, when the first 30 miles are down hill. I know people with electric skateboards that go further, and whine less.

This guy calls the CCS connector \"goofy\", \"bad standard\":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b5MSBjYaCQ

But I disagree with having AC and DC on the same connector.

I would keep the J-port for AC and N-port for DC.