Backup DVD's

[john]

Hi.
I have a collection of DVD's which i would like to backup. I have tried
ripping them with DVD decrypter and burn back to disk with nero (ultra
edition), but they don't work correctly. Can anyone tell me what i am doing
wrong?

Thanks for your help

 

[lurker]

"john" <trueblueace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4075c497$0$25657$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Hi.
I have a collection of DVD's which i would like to backup.

(Translation: Steal and hand out to all my friends for free.)

I have tried
ripping them with DVD decrypter and burn back to disk with nero (ultra
edition), but they don't work correctly.

(Bad, bad movie studios. Making it hard for people to misappropriate their
intellectual property!)

Can anyone tell me what i am doing
wrong?

What you are doing wrong is trying to copy material that doesn't belong to
you. It's called theft.
Best way to get a backup copy is to buy another copy.

 

[Terry Collins]

lurker wrote:

....snip.....

What you are doing wrong is trying to copy material that doesn't belong to
you. It's called theft.

not under australian law it isn't.

Best way to get a backup copy is to buy another copy.

Best way is never to buy that companies products again.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Terry Collins" <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:4076096D.3ECC0119@woa.com.au...

lurker wrote:

...snip.....

What you are doing wrong is trying to copy material that doesn't belong
to
you. It's called theft.

not under australian law it isn't.

**Sure is. Read the Copyright statement sometime. It is very clear.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"john" <trueblueace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4075c497$0$25657$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Hi.
I have a collection of DVD's which i would like to backup. I have
tried
ripping them with DVD decrypter and burn back to disk with nero (ultra
edition), but they don't work correctly. Can anyone tell me what i am
doing
wrong?

**Try the copy on your computer. It may work fine. If it works OK on the PC,
but not on the DVD player, you may need to look for a new DVD player. Cheap,
Chinese ones seem to work best with ripped DVDs.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[KLR]

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 02:15:35 GMT, "lurker"
<adudemailaddress@nospam.com> wrote:

"john" <trueblueace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4075c497$0$25657$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Hi.
I have a collection of DVD's which i would like to backup.

(Translation: Steal and hand out to all my friends for free.)

I have tried
ripping them with DVD decrypter and burn back to disk with nero (ultra
edition), but they don't work correctly.

(Bad, bad movie studios. Making it hard for people to misappropriate their
intellectual property!)

Can anyone tell me what i am doing
wrong?

What you are doing wrong is trying to copy material that doesn't belong to
you. It's called theft.
Best way to get a backup copy is to buy another copy.

How about we just answer the OPs technical question -

grow up - or put a sock in it mate.

 

[lurker]

<KLR> wrote in message news:engc701f6e68042eij8rpmcaapmqhtsv58@4ax.com.

How about we just answer the OPs technical question -
grow up - or put a sock in it mate.

What's next Mr KLR? A technical question about car theft or how to scam
ATM's? Get lost you patronising prick. And don't call me "mate".

 

[Al Borowski]

It's called theft.

not under australian law it isn't.


**Sure is. Read the Copyright statement sometime. It is very clear.

Copyright infringement is not theft.

Suppose I have a copy of adobe photoshop. Is that theft?

What if I never use it, and wouldn't have purchased it anyway? Is it
still theft?

If it is, then exactly what have I stolen?

Al

PS I don't actually have a copy of photoshop - don't sue me adobe

 

[Rudolf Ladyzhenskii]

What you are doing wrong is trying to copy material that doesn't belong
to
you. It's called theft.
Best way to get a backup copy is to buy another copy.

Consider a simple scenario -- kids movies. If you give a DVD to a kid to
watch, most likely it will be destroyed in a matetr of days. Will the
company supply you another one in exchange for your broken one?
Go buy another one? I do not think so.If it cost about $10 -- yes, for
$30 -- no way.

As for copy -- do not use NERO. Use CloneDVD.

Rudolf

 

[David Segall]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

"Terry Collins" <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:4076096D.3ECC0119@woa.com.au...
lurker wrote:

...snip.....

What you are doing wrong is trying to copy material that doesn't belong
to
you. It's called theft.

not under australian law it isn't.

**Sure is. Read the Copyright statement sometime. It is very clear.
They usually say something like "Unauthorized copying... prohibited as

provided by applicable law". However, theft implies a criminal act
and, in Australia, unauthorized copying is a civil matter. In order to
recover damages the copyright holder has to prove that you have a copy
by obtaining a court order to search your house and then sue you. The
police will enforce the search order but are not otherwise involved.

Of course, the copyright holders would like to change the law to make
it a criminal offence and they will get their way if the Free Trade
Agreement is approved because it is one of the conditions.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Al Borowski" <aj.borowski@erasethis.student.qut.edu.au> wrote in message
news:40766d2a$0$16604$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...

It's called theft.

not under australian law it isn't.


**Sure is. Read the Copyright statement sometime. It is very clear.



Copyright infringement is not theft.

**It sure is.

Suppose I have a copy of adobe photoshop. Is that theft?

**Yep.

What if I never use it, and wouldn't have purchased it anyway? Is it
still theft?

**Yep.

If it is, then exactly what have I stolen?

**Intellectual property.

Al

PS I don't actually have a copy of photoshop - don't sue me adobe

**I won't.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Al Borowski]

If it is, then exactly what have I stolen?


**Intellectual property.

Adobe still have everything they had before - they are not missing
anything. In this hypoththical (sp?) case, I have made a copy of their
work. However they still have have their software, so I haven't
disadvantage them. It didn't vanish when I made a copy of it. If I
wouldn't have bought it anyway becasue I never do graphics editing, then
Adobe are no worse off then before.

Admittedly, if someone would otherwise have purchased photoshop, but
they didn't because they copied it, then adobe has lost the sale.

Al

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Al Borowski" <aj.borowski@erasethis.student.qut.edu.au> wrote in message
news:40773cb4$0$16576$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...

If it is, then exactly what have I stolen?


**Intellectual property.



Adobe still have everything they had before - they are not missing
anything. In this hypoththical (sp?) case, I have made a copy of their
work. However they still have have their software, so I haven't
disadvantage them. It didn't vanish when I made a copy of it. If I
wouldn't have bought it anyway becasue I never do graphics editing, then
Adobe are no worse off then before.

**All very good, in theory. However, the reality is this: If you are found
to possess an unauthorised copy of copyright material (ANY copyright
material), you are (theoretically) in breach of the act. It does not matter
if you use it or not. It does not matter if you already own an original copy
or not. You are not allowed to copy copyright material, without prior
permission.

Admittedly, if someone would otherwise have purchased photoshop, but
they didn't because they copied it, then adobe has lost the sale.

**Again, all very well, in theory. In practice, the law does not necessarily
work in a logical or fair way.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Al Borowski]

**All very good, in theory. However, the reality is this: If you are found
to possess an unauthorised copy of copyright material (ANY copyright
material), you are (theoretically) in breach of the act. It does not matter
if you use it or not. It does not matter if you already own an original copy
or not. You are not allowed to copy copyright material, without prior
permission.

Yes, thats my point. It is copyright infringement, NOT theft.

Al

 

[Phil Allison]

"Al Borowski" <aj.borowski@erasethis.student.qut.edu.au> >

If it is, then exactly what have I stolen?


**Intellectual property.


Adobe still have everything they had before - they are not missing
anything. In this hypoththical (sp?) case, I have made a copy of their
work. However they still have have their software, so I haven't
disadvantage them. It didn't vanish when I made a copy of it. If I
wouldn't have bought it anyway because I never do graphics editing, then
Adobe are no worse off then before.

Admittedly, if someone would otherwise have purchased photoshop, but
they didn't because they copied it, then adobe has lost the sale.

** That last sentence is crux of the whole issue - copyright infringement
illegally deprives a person or business of part of their rightful income.

It does that just as effectively as if you had removed part of the cash
from someone's pay packet or a shopkeeper's till - but because you did not
do either of those the term "theft" is not applicable in its legal sense.

Victims of copyright infringement feel very much that they have been robbed
by the infringers - hence the word theft is appropriate.






.......... Phil

 

[Chris Baird]

It's called theft.
not under australian law it isn't.
**Sure is. Read the Copyright statement sometime. It is very
clear.
Copyright infringement is not theft.
**It sure is.

Funny, I have entire Australian Copyright text right here, and it's
got heaps of legal exceptions and conditions that allow
copying. "clear"?

And nowhere does it use "theft" to decribe unauthorised duplication of
material covered by legal Copyright, either.

Suppose I have a copy of adobe photoshop. Is that theft?

Use GIMP (www.gimp.org) instead, it's better than overhyped
potatoshop. It's free/libre, too.

If it is, then exactly what have I stolen?

**Intellectual property.

Gah. Even the fluids in all our bodies can be someone's "Intellectual
Property" these days...

--
Chris

 

[Phil Allison]

"Chris Baird" <abuse@brushtail.apana.org.au>

It's called theft.
not under australian law it isn't.
**Sure is. Read the Copyright statement sometime. It is very
clear.
Copyright infringement is not theft.
**It sure is.

Funny, I have entire Australian Copyright text right here, and it's
got heaps of legal exceptions and conditions that allow
copying.

** Then there is no legal infringement - you are raising a ( pathetic)
straw man.

And nowhere does it use "theft" to decribe unauthorised duplication of
material covered by legal Copyright, either.

** So what ??






................ Phil

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Chris Baird" <abuse@brushtail.apana.org.au> wrote in message
news:ufk70oectg.fsf@brushtail.apana.org.au...

It's called theft.
not under australian law it isn't.
**Sure is. Read the Copyright statement sometime. It is very
clear.
Copyright infringement is not theft.
**It sure is.

Funny, I have entire Australian Copyright text right here, and it's
got heaps of legal exceptions and conditions that allow
copying. "clear"?

**Sure. Tell me: What does it say about making an unauthorised copy of Adobe
Photoshop? Is it legal or illegal?

And nowhere does it use "theft" to decribe unauthorised duplication of
material covered by legal Copyright, either.

**What words are used?

Suppose I have a copy of adobe photoshop. Is that theft?

Use GIMP (www.gimp.org) instead, it's better than overhyped
potatoshop. It's free/libre, too.

If it is, then exactly what have I stolen?

**Intellectual property.

Gah. Even the fluids in all our bodies can be someone's "Intellectual
Property" these days...

**And THAT is deeply disturbing. Gene patenting is one of the dumbest things
to ever occurred.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[KLR]

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 08:46:06 GMT, "lurker"
<adudemailaddress@nospam.com> wrote:

KLR> wrote in message news:engc701f6e68042eij8rpmcaapmqhtsv58@4ax.com.

How about we just answer the OPs technical question -
grow up - or put a sock in it mate.

What's next Mr KLR? A technical question about car theft or how to scam
ATM's? Get lost you patronising prick. And don't call me "mate".


ATM and car theft - comparing apples with oranges arent we ?

Unless we have become some total police state in Australia - KNOWLEGE,

or posting knowlege of how to copy any sort of media or for that
matter commit REAL acts of theft such as ATM, car theft or for that
matter is NOT illegal. putting this info to USE against the law is
another story and is a decision made at the free will of the person
who has been given the knowlege and is prepared to face the
consequences of its use.

Patronsing prick ?

POT Kettle black considering how you patronised and insulted the
original poster, and for that matter it seems also you defamed him
with no evidence of any breach of any law.

By the way - thanks for the correction too - your sort is the last I

would have as a mate.
instead of mate insert the russian words "blad" or "suka"

 

[Xomicron]

"john" <trueblueace@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<4075c497$0$25657$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>...

Hi.
I have a collection of DVD's which i would like to backup. I have tried
ripping them with DVD decrypter and burn back to disk with nero (ultra
edition), but they don't work correctly. Can anyone tell me what i am doing
wrong?

Backing up your DVDs is evil.