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[Don Y]

On 8/22/2023 3:11 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:

But I don\'t need the money and/or better job/vehicle.
So, you\'re just someone sitting around waiting to die (your time being of
no value to yourself). Must be sad...

I can always find things to do while charging. Communing SF/SJ only
occasionally. Half a day fixing car is no big deal.

Obviously, you don\'t have any real interests. Otherwise,
all that time spent on annoying trivia INSTEAD of more
interesting pursuits would be... annoying!

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:00:42 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 8/22/2023 2:20 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
And, why would I want another insurance bill, registration fee, emissions test,

No emission test for EV.
No, you\'ll just have a fee tacked onto your registration in lieu of gas tax.

Not yet, at least not in CA.
It\'s coming. States can\'t afford to lose tax revenues from gas sales.

Sure, they can. The states received a wind fall from being able to tax out of state sales. That money was never earmarked for any particular use. Dedicate that to replacing the fuel tax.

You\'ll either be charged a flat fee (which will be annoying if you
don\'t drive THAT car, much) *or* will have to report your odometer
much like semi\'s do. Chances are, *you* won\'t be trusted to self-report
this but, instead, will go somewhere (even if just to your auto insurer)
where THEY will read your odometer and report it.

So, we will need to waste our time and incur even more expense. The annual receipts from fuel taxes to the states is not all that much. I come up with around $140 a year on average. It would cost a significant share of that to have someone verify your odometer reading.

No, this is one tax we need to let die.

You should just try getting a better paying job so you can afford a better vehicle!

But I don\'t need the money and/or better job/vehicle.
So, you\'re just someone sitting around waiting to die (your
time being of no value to yourself). Must be sad...

No, he\'s not sad, just lame. For whatever reason, he\'s wants to deal with tons and tons of crap.

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:30:13 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:00:42 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 8/22/2023 2:20 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
And, why would I want another insurance bill, registration fee, emissions test,

No emission test for EV.
No, you\'ll just have a fee tacked onto your registration in lieu of gas tax.

Not yet, at least not in CA.
It\'s coming. States can\'t afford to lose tax revenues from gas sales.
Sure, they can. The states received a wind fall from being able to tax out of state sales. That money was never earmarked for any particular use. Dedicate that to replacing the fuel tax.
You\'ll either be charged a flat fee (which will be annoying if you
don\'t drive THAT car, much) *or* will have to report your odometer
much like semi\'s do. Chances are, *you* won\'t be trusted to self-report
this but, instead, will go somewhere (even if just to your auto insurer)
where THEY will read your odometer and report it.
So, we will need to waste our time and incur even more expense. The annual receipts from fuel taxes to the states is not all that much. I come up with around $140 a year on average. It would cost a significant share of that to have someone verify your odometer reading.

No, this is one tax we need to let die.
You should just try getting a better paying job so you can afford a better vehicle!

But I don\'t need the money and/or better job/vehicle.
So, you\'re just someone sitting around waiting to die (your
time being of no value to yourself). Must be sad...
No, he\'s not sad, just lame. For whatever reason, he\'s wants to deal with tons and tons of crap.

Yes, dealing with road crap is necessary. Remember that my knee/axle/hub was broken by paper on the road. Blame SFMTA for not clearing the road and giving me ticket. Suspension problems are not unique to EVs either. Last time I replaced a knee was a Ford ICE.

 

[Don Y]

On 8/22/2023 3:00 PM, Don Y wrote:

On 8/22/2023 2:20 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
And, why would I want another insurance bill, registration fee, emissions
test,

No emission test for EV.
No, you\'ll just have a fee tacked onto your registration in lieu of gas tax.

Not yet, at least not in CA.

It\'s coming.  States can\'t afford to lose tax revenues from gas sales.
You\'ll either be charged a flat fee (which will be annoying if you
don\'t drive THAT car, much) *or* will have to report your odometer
much like semi\'s do.  Chances are, *you* won\'t be trusted to self-report
this but, instead, will go somewhere (even if just to your auto insurer)
where THEY will read your odometer and report it.

<https://www.ncsl.org/energy/special-fees-on-plug-in-hybrid-and-electric-vehicles>

\"Many states face declining gas tax revenue, not only because of EVs, forcing
state policymakers to consider other ways to pay for the nation’s
transportation infrastructure. One common policy is applying a separate
registration fee for certain hybrid or EVs. These fees come in addition to
standard motor vehicle registration fees; proponents support the fees to bring
equity among drivers by ensuring all drivers pay to use and repair America’s
roadways.\"

...

\"At least five states—California, Indiana, Michigan, Mississippi and
Utah—structure the additional registration fees to grow over time by tying the
fees to the consumer price index or another inflation-related metric. These
states are striving to avoid the declining purchasing power of gas taxes due to
years of fixed-rate structures.\"


For California:

Traditional fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250; California Department of Motor
Vehicles)
The state implements a number of registration-related fees.
Base annual registration fee of $53.
Transportation Improvement fee of $27 to $188 based on vehicle value.
EV fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250.6/SB 1 (2017))
$100 additional annual fee for a zero-emission vehicles model year
2020 or later.
Effective January 2021 and every year after, the fee will increase in
accordance with the consumer price index.
Total fees
Annual fees of $153 in addition to all other fees, including a
Transportation Improvement fee.

EV Definitions:

“Zero-emission vehicle” means a vehicle that produces no emissions of
criteria pollutants, toxic air contaminants or greenhouse gases when stationary
or operating, as determined by the state Air Resources Board (subdivision (d)
of Section 44258 of the Health and Safety Code).

EV Fees Distribution:

Following deductions from DMV administrative costs, revenues are deposited
into the Road Maintenance and Rehabilitation Account.

 

[Eddy Lee]

For California:

Traditional fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250; California Department of Motor
Vehicles)
The state implements a number of registration-related fees.
Base annual registration fee of $53.
Transportation Improvement fee of $27 to $188 based on vehicle value.
EV fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250.6/SB 1 (2017))
$100 additional annual fee for a zero-emission vehicles model year
2020 or later.
Effective January 2021 and every year after, the fee will increase in
accordance with the consumer price index.
Total fees
Annual fees of $153 in addition to all other fees, including a
Transportation Improvement fee.

So, my 2012 Leaf will not be affected. More reason to keep it running longer.

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:24:37 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 02:05:18 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/data/browser/#/?id=48-AEO2023&region=1-0&cases=ref2023&start=2021&end=2050&f=A&linechart=ref2023-d020623a.4-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.59-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.60-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.61-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.62-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.63-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.64-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.65-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.66-48-AEO2023.1-0&map=ref2023-d020623a.5-48-AEO2023.1-0&sourcekey=0

Sure looks like things won\'t be changing any time in any of OUR lifetimes...
despite the subsidies!

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/data/browser/#/?id=48-AEO2023&region=1-0&cases=highupIRA&start=2021&end=2050&f=A&linechart=highupIRA-d020623a.4-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.59-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.60-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.61-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.62-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.63-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.64-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.65-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.66-48-AEO2023.1-0&map=highupIRA-d020623a.5-48-AEO2023.1-0&sourcekey=0

Electric cars may have the same sales trends as Miatas or PT Cruisers or DeLoreans.
Electricity is a cheaper fuel than gasoline, and electric cars are whole lot easier to maintain. They do have a real advantage over gasoline-powered cars, no matter how enthusiastically Flyguy tries to tell us that they don\'t.

--
Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, do you OWN an EV? I seriously doubt it. Their advertised range is a fiction. Even Ford\'s CEO talked about the \"adventure\" driving the Lightning just from LA to Las Vegas. Ford is cutting the price of the Lightning because they just can\'t sell the albatrosses.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a44564656/ford-150-lightning-prices-2023/

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 4:05:17 PM UTC-7, Eddy Lee wrote:

For California:

Traditional fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250; California Department of Motor
Vehicles)
The state implements a number of registration-related fees.
Base annual registration fee of $53.
Transportation Improvement fee of $27 to $188 based on vehicle value.
EV fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250.6/SB 1 (2017))
$100 additional annual fee for a zero-emission vehicles model year
2020 or later.
Effective January 2021 and every year after, the fee will increase in
accordance with the consumer price index.
Total fees
Annual fees of $153 in addition to all other fees, including a
Transportation Improvement fee.
So, my 2012 Leaf will not be affected. More reason to keep it running longer.

According to the formula above, I should pay $53 + $27. But I paid $175 last year. Should I contest it?

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:10:10 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 4:05:17 PM UTC-7, Eddy Lee wrote:
For California:

Traditional fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250; California Department of Motor
Vehicles)
The state implements a number of registration-related fees.
Base annual registration fee of $53.
Transportation Improvement fee of $27 to $188 based on vehicle value.
EV fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250.6/SB 1 (2017))
$100 additional annual fee for a zero-emission vehicles model year
2020 or later.
Effective January 2021 and every year after, the fee will increase in
accordance with the consumer price index.
Total fees
Annual fees of $153 in addition to all other fees, including a
Transportation Improvement fee.
So, my 2012 Leaf will not be affected. More reason to keep it running longer.
According to the formula above, I should pay $53 + $27. But I paid $175 last year. Should I contest it?

Yes, definitely. You should get medieval on their asses!

--

Rick C.

-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:32:41 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:10:10 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 4:05:17 PM UTC-7, Eddy Lee wrote:
For California:

Traditional fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250; California Department of Motor
Vehicles)
The state implements a number of registration-related fees.
Base annual registration fee of $53.
Transportation Improvement fee of $27 to $188 based on vehicle value.
EV fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250.6/SB 1 (2017))
$100 additional annual fee for a zero-emission vehicles model year
2020 or later.
Effective January 2021 and every year after, the fee will increase in
accordance with the consumer price index.
Total fees
Annual fees of $153 in addition to all other fees, including a
Transportation Improvement fee.
So, my 2012 Leaf will not be affected. More reason to keep it running longer.
According to the formula above, I should pay $53 + $27. But I paid $175 last year. Should I contest it?
Yes, definitely. You should get medieval on their asses!

Yes, of course. Seems like they over-charge me for five years, as well as other members of the class.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:53:54 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:24:37 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 02:05:18 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/data/browser/#/?id=48-AEO2023&region=1-0&cases=ref2023&start=2021&end=2050&f=A&linechart=ref2023-d020623a.4-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.59-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.60-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.61-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.62-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.63-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.64-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.65-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.66-48-AEO2023.1-0&map=ref2023-d020623a.5-48-AEO2023.1-0&sourcekey=0

Sure looks like things won\'t be changing any time in any of OUR lifetimes...
despite the subsidies!

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/data/browser/#/?id=48-AEO2023&region=1-0&cases=highupIRA&start=2021&end=2050&f=A&linechart=highupIRA-d020623a.4-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.59-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.60-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.61-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.62-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.63-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.64-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.65-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.66-48-AEO2023.1-0&map=highupIRA-d020623a.5-48-AEO2023.1-0&sourcekey=0

Electric cars may have the same sales trends as Miatas or PT Cruisers or DeLoreans.

Electricity is a cheaper fuel than gasoline, and electric cars are whole lot easier to maintain. They do have a real advantage over gasoline-powered cars, no matter how enthusiastically Flyguy tries to tell us that they don\'t.

Hey Bozo, do you OWN an EV? I seriously doubt it.

As I\'ve posted here before I own a 12-year-old Mercedes 180B which burns gasoline. I don\'t have to own one to know how they work. My neighbours do seem happy with their Teslas.

> Their advertised range is a fiction.

And you know this how? Every advertised range is \"fiction\" unless the exact route and driving conditions are specified.

Even Ford\'s CEO talked about the \"adventure\" driving the Lightning just from LA to Las Vegas. Ford is cutting the price of the Lightning because they just can\'t sell the albatrosses.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a44564656/ford-150-lightning-prices-2023/

It\'s truck not a car. And who cares how Ford have screwed up in this particular instance? They aren\'t famous for their electric cars.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Don Y]

On 8/22/2023 7:10 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 4:05:17 PM UTC-7, Eddy Lee wrote:
For California:

Traditional fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250; California Department of Motor
Vehicles)
The state implements a number of registration-related fees.
Base annual registration fee of $53.
Transportation Improvement fee of $27 to $188 based on vehicle value.
EV fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250.6/SB 1 (2017))
$100 additional annual fee for a zero-emission vehicles model year
2020 or later.
Effective January 2021 and every year after, the fee will increase in
accordance with the consumer price index.
Total fees
Annual fees of $153 in addition to all other fees, including a
Transportation Improvement fee.
So, my 2012 Leaf will not be affected. More reason to keep it running longer.

According to the formula above, I should pay $53 + $27. But I paid $175 last year. Should I contest it?

Don\'t your statements ITEMIZE the individual charges?

I, for example, know that I am charged for the POSTAGE to mail the
registration to my home!

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:15:54 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

On 8/22/2023 7:10 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 4:05:17 PM UTC-7, Eddy Lee wrote:
For California:

Traditional fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250; California Department of Motor
Vehicles)
The state implements a number of registration-related fees.
Base annual registration fee of $53.
Transportation Improvement fee of $27 to $188 based on vehicle value.
EV fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250.6/SB 1 (2017))
$100 additional annual fee for a zero-emission vehicles model year
2020 or later.
Effective January 2021 and every year after, the fee will increase in
accordance with the consumer price index.
Total fees
Annual fees of $153 in addition to all other fees, including a
Transportation Improvement fee.
So, my 2012 Leaf will not be affected. More reason to keep it running longer.
.
According to the formula above, I should pay $53 + $27. But I paid $175 last year. Should I contest it?
Don\'t your statements ITEMIZE the individual charges?

I, for example, know that I am charged for the POSTAGE to mail the
registration to my home!

I don\'t have the statement anymore, but I don\'t think so. There is just one charge of $175, which is for vehicle value at $60,000 or more. The Leaf was never at such value, even for new.

We need class action to make DMV more responsible.

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:27:19 AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:15:54 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 8/22/2023 7:10 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 4:05:17 PM UTC-7, Eddy Lee wrote:
For California:

Traditional fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250; California Department of Motor
Vehicles)
The state implements a number of registration-related fees.
Base annual registration fee of $53.
Transportation Improvement fee of $27 to $188 based on vehicle value.
EV fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250.6/SB 1 (2017))
$100 additional annual fee for a zero-emission vehicles model year
2020 or later.
Effective January 2021 and every year after, the fee will increase in
accordance with the consumer price index.
Total fees
Annual fees of $153 in addition to all other fees, including a
Transportation Improvement fee.
So, my 2012 Leaf will not be affected. More reason to keep it running longer.
.
According to the formula above, I should pay $53 + $27. But I paid $175 last year. Should I contest it?
Don\'t your statements ITEMIZE the individual charges?

I, for example, know that I am charged for the POSTAGE to mail the
registration to my home!
I don\'t have the statement anymore, but I don\'t think so. There is just one charge of $175, which is for vehicle value at $60,000 or more. The Leaf was never at such value, even for new.

We need class action to make DMV more responsible.

Or, you can simply go to the DMV and ask them what\'s up? Most likely your car is in the $60,000 category because it is electric and this is their way of making up the shortfall in fuel taxes.

Or, maybe it\'s their way of assessing a stupid tax on anyone who would put so much effort into trying to make a car useful, when it\'s clearly a piece of junk.

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 1:04:05 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:27:19 AM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:15:54 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 8/22/2023 7:10 PM, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 4:05:17 PM UTC-7, Eddy Lee wrote:
For California:

Traditional fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250; California Department of Motor
Vehicles)
The state implements a number of registration-related fees.
Base annual registration fee of $53.
Transportation Improvement fee of $27 to $188 based on vehicle value.
EV fees (Cal. Veh. Code § 9250.6/SB 1 (2017))
$100 additional annual fee for a zero-emission vehicles model year
2020 or later.
Effective January 2021 and every year after, the fee will increase in
accordance with the consumer price index.
Total fees
Annual fees of $153 in addition to all other fees, including a
Transportation Improvement fee.
So, my 2012 Leaf will not be affected. More reason to keep it running longer.
.
According to the formula above, I should pay $53 + $27. But I paid $175 last year. Should I contest it?
Don\'t your statements ITEMIZE the individual charges?

I, for example, know that I am charged for the POSTAGE to mail the
registration to my home!
I don\'t have the statement anymore, but I don\'t think so. There is just one charge of $175, which is for vehicle value at $60,000 or more. The Leaf was never at such value, even for new.

We need class action to make DMV more responsible.
Or, you can simply go to the DMV and ask them what\'s up? Most likely your car is in the $60,000 category because it is electric and this is their way of making up the shortfall in fuel taxes.

I assume it\'s based on current value. Not even a 10 years old Tesla is worth $60,000.

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:44:33 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:53:54 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:24:37 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 02:05:18 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/data/browser/#/?id=48-AEO2023&region=1-0&cases=ref2023&start=2021&end=2050&f=A&linechart=ref2023-d020623a.4-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.59-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.60-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.61-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.62-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.63-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.64-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.65-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.66-48-AEO2023.1-0&map=ref2023-d020623a.5-48-AEO2023.1-0&sourcekey=0

Sure looks like things won\'t be changing any time in any of OUR lifetimes...
despite the subsidies!

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/data/browser/#/?id=48-AEO2023&region=1-0&cases=highupIRA&start=2021&end=2050&f=A&linechart=highupIRA-d020623a.4-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.59-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.60-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.61-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.62-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.63-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.64-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.65-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.66-48-AEO2023.1-0&map=highupIRA-d020623a.5-48-AEO2023.1-0&sourcekey=0

Electric cars may have the same sales trends as Miatas or PT Cruisers or DeLoreans.

Electricity is a cheaper fuel than gasoline, and electric cars are whole lot easier to maintain. They do have a real advantage over gasoline-powered cars, no matter how enthusiastically Flyguy tries to tell us that they don\'t.

Hey Bozo, do you OWN an EV? I seriously doubt it.
As I\'ve posted here before I own a 12-year-old Mercedes 180B which burns gasoline. I don\'t have to own one to know how they work. My neighbours do seem happy with their Teslas.
Their advertised range is a fiction.
And you know this how? Every advertised range is \"fiction\" unless the exact route and driving conditions are specified.

Unlike you Bozo, I can READ, including the link I provided in the Tesla FAKING their range thread.

Even Ford\'s CEO talked about the \"adventure\" driving the Lightning just from LA to Las Vegas. Ford is cutting the price of the Lightning because they just can\'t sell the albatrosses.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a44564656/ford-150-lightning-prices-2023/
It\'s truck not a car. And who cares how Ford have screwed up in this particular instance? They aren\'t famous for their electric cars.

And that makes a difference HOW? The issue he had was finding places to recharge, not on towing a trailer, Bozo.

--
Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper

 

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Off-topic troll...

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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 2:34:39 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:44:33 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:53:54 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:24:37 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 02:05:18 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/data/browser/#/?id=48-AEO2023&region=1-0&cases=ref2023&start=2021&end=2050&f=A&linechart=ref2023-d020623a.4-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.59-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.60-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.61-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.62-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.63-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.64-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.65-48-AEO2023.1-0~ref2023-d020623a.66-48-AEO2023.1-0&map=ref2023-d020623a.5-48-AEO2023.1-0&sourcekey=0

Sure looks like things won\'t be changing any time in any of OUR lifetimes...
despite the subsidies!

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/data/browser/#/?id=48-AEO2023&region=1-0&cases=highupIRA&start=2021&end=2050&f=A&linechart=highupIRA-d020623a.4-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.59-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.60-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.61-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.62-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.63-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.64-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.65-48-AEO2023.1-0~highupIRA-d020623a.66-48-AEO2023.1-0&map=highupIRA-d020623a.5-48-AEO2023.1-0&sourcekey=0

Electric cars may have the same sales trends as Miatas or PT Cruisers or DeLoreans.

Electricity is a cheaper fuel than gasoline, and electric cars are whole lot easier to maintain. They do have a real advantage over gasoline-powered cars, no matter how enthusiastically Flyguy tries to tell us that they don\'t.

Hey Bozo, do you OWN an EV? I seriously doubt it.

As I\'ve posted here before I own a 12-year-old Mercedes 180B which burns gasoline. I don\'t have to own one to know how they work. My neighbours do seem happy with their Teslas.

Their advertised range is a fiction.

And you know this how? Every advertised range is \"fiction\" unless the exact route and driving conditions are specified.

Unlike you Bozo, I can READ, including the link I provided in the Tesla FAKING their range thread.

You think you can read, but what you actually do is browse the links you post for sound bites that suite your argument. You don\'t seem to be able to understand what you claim to have read. Providing range estimates that would only work if you drove remarkably slowly isn\'t faking anything.

Even Ford\'s CEO talked about the \"adventure\" driving the Lightning just from LA to Las Vegas. Ford is cutting the price of the Lightning because they just can\'t sell the albatrosses.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a44564656/ford-150-lightning-prices-2023/

It\'s truck not a car. And who cares how Ford have screwed up in this particular instance? They aren\'t famous for their electric cars.

And that makes a difference HOW? The issue he had was finding places to recharge, not on towing a trailer.

That is improving, no matter how much you like to lie about it.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney