Australians Discover Widely Available Drug For Hair Lice Is

lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 00.35.41 UTC+2 skrev Ricky C:
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 6:23:32 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 00.10.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Certainly they could start with drugs at doses that are in use for
other things and known to be reasonably safe and possibly anti-viral.
Carefully risking a few lives might save many.

you are not allowed to do that, that's why so many Nobel laureates in medicine
did experiments on themselves

You mean like Linus Pauling? What are you talking about???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-experimentation_in_medicine
 
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:17:14 +0530, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 4/17/2020 9:21 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
Ivermectin kills virus in its tracks within hours, possible miracle cure...

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/mu-pcd040320.php

Ivermectin has been around for decades and its efficacy against
internal and external parasites in both humans and animals is
well established. It's cheap and about as safe as any common drug
could be.

If those scientists had been testing it in vitro against COVID-19
ever since the pandemic started, I wonder why it has taken them
this long to publish the results.

Like quinine, it seems strange that some drug would be effective
against parasites and viruses and sometimes other things.

To save lives in a pandemic, the tests and publishing won't help if
they take years.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:51:21 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Ivermectin kills virus in its tracks within hours, possible miracle cure...

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/mu-pcd040320.php


But But I don't have hair !!!
 
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 1:20:25 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:39:10 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 11:58:46 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:51:21 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Ivermectin kills virus in its tracks within hours, possible miracle cure...

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/mu-pcd040320.php

Given the panic level and possibility of a 1918-level pandemic,
I wonder why human trials were not begun early on every known or
suspected anti-viral.

They're not going to get research funding for observations they can't explain.

What's the point of exploring anything that is already explained?

Do we already know everything that can be known, like we did in 1900?

Any fool can dose a test tube.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 7:36:23 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:17:14 +0530, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 4/17/2020 9:21 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
Ivermectin kills virus in its tracks within hours, possible miracle cure...

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/mu-pcd040320.php

Ivermectin has been around for decades and its efficacy against
internal and external parasites in both humans and animals is
well established. It's cheap and about as safe as any common drug
could be.

If those scientists had been testing it in vitro against COVID-19
ever since the pandemic started, I wonder why it has taken them
this long to publish the results.

Like quinine, it seems strange that some drug would be effective
against parasites and viruses and sometimes other things.

To save lives in a pandemic, the tests and publishing won't help if
they take years.

Why do you talk about taking years? Do you think researchers aren't aware of the needs of the pandemic? Maybe they don't watch much TV?

What are you talking about??? Why do you always talk around a topic rather than directly addressing the issue?

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On 4/17/2020 8:38 PM, boB wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:51:21 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Ivermectin kills virus in its tracks within hours, possible miracle cure...

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/mu-pcd040320.php



But But I don't have hair !!!

Me neither. Women actually seem to like me better this way /shrug
 
On 4/17/2020 11:25 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/17/2020 11:12 PM, Ricky C wrote:
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/17/2020 7:33 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 00.10.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Certainly they could start with drugs at doses that are in use for
other things and known to be reasonably safe and possibly anti-viral.
Carefully risking a few lives might save many.

you are not allowed to do that, that's why so many Nobel laureates
in medicine
did experiments on themselves

Yes. People used to do the math differently, based on the moral
concept that we should do what probabilistically saves the most lives.

We also felt that some people should be allowed to volunteer for the
benefit of all. Spock said something like that.

I have volunteered for an inconvenient but not very dangerous
long-term medical study. I did get cool pictures of my brain.

There are easy ways to spend a little money and save millions of lives
every year.




Yeah like Rhode Island has locked down its borders and maybe the
governor will do the smart thing and start expelling Trumpers who break
quarantine from the state - give them their walking papers.

Doesn't cost much and can save a lot of lives that way.

Won't another state have to accept them?  Or just put them in a boat
and let them figure out where they can land?


His fans may go be "free" in Oklahoma and if they need to know how to
get there they can look up the Trail of Tears in a history book and take
the same route.

Conversely they may "rise up" like Trump seems to be touting for
attention on Twitter, take him seriously, and a true patriot blue-liner
may find out for himself who the police really work for. Well they say
experience is the best teacher.

That is to say nominally the police serve the people and protect the
Constitution.

In practice police tend to work for the police.
 
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:35:41 AM UTC+10, Ricky C wrote:
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 6:23:32 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 00.10.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Certainly they could start with drugs at doses that are in use for
other things and known to be reasonably safe and possibly anti-viral.
Carefully risking a few lives might save many.

you are not allowed to do that, that's why so many Nobel laureates in medicine did experiments on themselves

You mean like Linus Pauling? What are you talking about???

He probably meant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall

who drank Hector Pylori. He didn't get a peptic ulcer, but he did get bad gastritis, which was enough to make the point, and eventually get him a Nobel Prize.

Besides, what Larkin is talking about is exactly what they do. But "carefully" means something different to Larkin than the scientific community. To Larkin it means, why wasn't it done yesterday?

Why is Larkin always in such agitation over every issue in the world? He seems to think everyone else is an idiot and he alone knows the one true faith.

He get these clear insights that you get when you don't know enough about what you are talking about, and never got the sort of scientific training that would encourage him test them against the stuff that he doesn't know about (and can't be persuaded that he needs to know about).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 2:47:25 AM UTC+10, Pimpom wrote:
On 4/17/2020 9:21 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
Ivermectin kills virus in its tracks within hours, possible miracle cure...

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/mu-pcd040320.php

Ivermectin has been around for decades and its efficacy against
internal and external parasites in both humans and animals is
well established. It's cheap and about as safe as any common drug
could be.

If those scientists had been testing it in vitro against COVID-19
ever since the pandemic started, I wonder why it has taken them
this long to publish the results.

Testing costs money.

From the report "with funding urgently required to progress the work."

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 4/17/2020 11:12 PM, Ricky C wrote:
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/17/2020 7:33 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 00.10.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Certainly they could start with drugs at doses that are in use for
other things and known to be reasonably safe and possibly anti-viral.
Carefully risking a few lives might save many.

you are not allowed to do that, that's why so many Nobel laureates in medicine
did experiments on themselves

Yes. People used to do the math differently, based on the moral
concept that we should do what probabilistically saves the most lives.

We also felt that some people should be allowed to volunteer for the
benefit of all. Spock said something like that.

I have volunteered for an inconvenient but not very dangerous
long-term medical study. I did get cool pictures of my brain.

There are easy ways to spend a little money and save millions of lives
every year.




Yeah like Rhode Island has locked down its borders and maybe the
governor will do the smart thing and start expelling Trumpers who break
quarantine from the state - give them their walking papers.

Doesn't cost much and can save a lot of lives that way.

Won't another state have to accept them? Or just put them in a boat and let them figure out where they can land?

His fans may go be "free" in Oklahoma and if they need to know how to
get there they can look up the Trail of Tears in a history book and take
the same route.

Conversely they may "rise up" like Trump seems to be touting for
attention on Twitter, take him seriously, and a true patriot blue-liner
may find out for himself who the police really work for. Well they say
experience is the best teacher.
 
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:10:11 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT), speff <spehro@gmail.com
wrote:

On Friday, 17 April 2020 11:58:46 UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:51:21 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Ivermectin kills virus in its tracks within hours, possible miracle cure...

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/mu-pcd040320.php

Given the panic level and possibility of a 1918-level pandemic,
I wonder why human trials were not begun early on every known or
suspected anti-viral.


I think they've tried about everything they've got, and
discovered some interesting new interactions that tend to kill patients along the way.

eg. ritonavir/lopinavir:

Combined use with amiodarone (fatal arrhythmia), quetiapine(severe coma), simvastati (rhabdomyolysis) is prohibited

Certainly they could start with drugs at doses that are in use for
other things and known to be reasonably safe and possibly anti-viral.
Carefully risking a few lives might save many.

It still costs money - from the report "with funding urgently required to progress the work."

And even "carefully" risking a few lives has to be discussed with the medical ethics committee. It's all quite a bit more complicated than John Larkin likes to think (to the extent that he thinks at all).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 4/17/2020 7:33 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 00.10.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Certainly they could start with drugs at doses that are in use for
other things and known to be reasonably safe and possibly anti-viral.
Carefully risking a few lives might save many.

you are not allowed to do that, that's why so many Nobel laureates in medicine
did experiments on themselves

Yes. People used to do the math differently, based on the moral
concept that we should do what probabilistically saves the most lives.

We also felt that some people should be allowed to volunteer for the
benefit of all. Spock said something like that.

I have volunteered for an inconvenient but not very dangerous
long-term medical study. I did get cool pictures of my brain.

There are easy ways to spend a little money and save millions of lives
every year.

Yeah like Rhode Island has locked down its borders and maybe the
governor will do the smart thing and start expelling Trumpers who break
quarantine from the state - give them their walking papers.

Doesn't cost much and can save a lot of lives that way.
 
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/17/2020 7:33 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 00.10.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Certainly they could start with drugs at doses that are in use for
other things and known to be reasonably safe and possibly anti-viral.
Carefully risking a few lives might save many.

you are not allowed to do that, that's why so many Nobel laureates in medicine
did experiments on themselves

Yes. People used to do the math differently, based on the moral
concept that we should do what probabilistically saves the most lives.

We also felt that some people should be allowed to volunteer for the
benefit of all. Spock said something like that.

I have volunteered for an inconvenient but not very dangerous
long-term medical study. I did get cool pictures of my brain.

There are easy ways to spend a little money and save millions of lives
every year.




Yeah like Rhode Island has locked down its borders and maybe the
governor will do the smart thing and start expelling Trumpers who break
quarantine from the state - give them their walking papers.

Doesn't cost much and can save a lot of lives that way.

Won't another state have to accept them? Or just put them in a boat and let them figure out where they can land?

--

Rick C.

-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:46:16 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/17/2020 7:33 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lřrdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 00.10.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Certainly they could start with drugs at doses that are in use for
other things and known to be reasonably safe and possibly anti-viral.
Carefully risking a few lives might save many.

you are not allowed to do that, that's why so many Nobel laureates in medicine
did experiments on themselves

Yes. People used to do the math differently, based on the moral
concept that we should do what probabilistically saves the most lives.

We also felt that some people should be allowed to volunteer for the
benefit of all. Spock said something like that.

I have volunteered for an inconvenient but not very dangerous
long-term medical study. I did get cool pictures of my brain.

There are easy ways to spend a little money and save millions of lives
every year.




Yeah like Rhode Island has locked down its borders and maybe the
governor will do the smart thing and start expelling Trumpers who break
quarantine from the state - give them their walking papers.

Doesn't cost much and can save a lot of lives that way.

What's the advantage of locking down a state border? The people who
diffuse across in both directions are pretty much identical.

It's silly tribalism.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 8:33:12 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 4/17/2020 11:25 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/17/2020 11:12 PM, Ricky C wrote:
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/17/2020 7:33 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 00.10.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Certainly they could start with drugs at doses that are in use for
other things and known to be reasonably safe and possibly anti-viral.
Carefully risking a few lives might save many.

you are not allowed to do that, that's why so many Nobel laureates
in medicine
did experiments on themselves

Yes. People used to do the math differently, based on the moral
concept that we should do what probabilistically saves the most lives.

We also felt that some people should be allowed to volunteer for the
benefit of all. Spock said something like that.

I have volunteered for an inconvenient but not very dangerous
long-term medical study. I did get cool pictures of my brain.

There are easy ways to spend a little money and save millions of lives
every year.




Yeah like Rhode Island has locked down its borders and maybe the
governor will do the smart thing and start expelling Trumpers who break
quarantine from the state - give them their walking papers.

Doesn't cost much and can save a lot of lives that way.

Won't another state have to accept them?  Or just put them in a boat
and let them figure out where they can land?


His fans may go be "free" in Oklahoma and if they need to know how to
get there they can look up the Trail of Tears in a history book and take
the same route.

Conversely they may "rise up" like Trump seems to be touting for
attention on Twitter, take him seriously, and a true patriot blue-liner
may find out for himself who the police really work for. Well they say
experience is the best teacher.

That is to say nominally the police serve the people and protect the
Constitution.

In practice police tend to work for the police.

The drug companies are demonstrating unprecedented collaboration to solve the Wuhan virus problem:

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/837347535
 
On 17/04/2020 16:58, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:51:21 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Ivermectin kills virus in its tracks within hours, possible miracle cure...

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/mu-pcd040320.php

Given the panic level and possibility of a 1918-level pandemic,
I wonder why human trials were not begun early on every known or
suspected anti-viral.

They have been screening the entire database of synthetic (and natural)
drugs using super computer molecular modelling to find any that look
like they might bind to coronavirus almost since it really got going.

https://www.itpro.co.uk/cloud/355098/ibm-dedicates-supercomputing-power-to-coronavirus-researchers

There are far too many compounds to do clinical trials on all of them.
They are now looking at combinations of two or three as well.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 2:10:07 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:46:16 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/17/2020 7:33 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 00.10.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
Certainly they could start with drugs at doses that are in use for
other things and known to be reasonably safe and possibly anti-viral..
Carefully risking a few lives might save many.

you are not allowed to do that, that's why so many Nobel laureates in medicine
did experiments on themselves

Yes. People used to do the math differently, based on the moral
concept that we should do what probabilistically saves the most lives.

We also felt that some people should be allowed to volunteer for the
benefit of all. Spock said something like that.

I have volunteered for an inconvenient but not very dangerous
long-term medical study. I did get cool pictures of my brain.

There are easy ways to spend a little money and save millions of lives
every year.




Yeah like Rhode Island has locked down its borders and maybe the
governor will do the smart thing and start expelling Trumpers who break
quarantine from the state - give them their walking papers.

Doesn't cost much and can save a lot of lives that way.

What's the advantage of locking down a state border? The people who
diffuse across in both directions are pretty much identical.

It's silly tribalism.

John Larkin hasn't got the point. Lock-down is all about discouraging people from swapping viruses with one another.

The idea is you stay put, and so do the viruses you carry, and other people come as close as possible to doing the same thing.

As soon as somebody across the state border (or the other side of the street) has got Covid-19 and you haven't, they aren't identical.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 

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