ATX power supply fan noisy.

[Baron]

David Farber Inscribed thus:

baron wrote:
JeffM Inscribed thus:

David Farber wrote:
How much is that in US dollars and cents?

http://google.com/search?q=0.50+GBP+in+USD

Thanks Jeff. Beat me to doing the conversion to 75cents.

Wow. I'm on the wrong side of the pond. )-:

Over here every man and his dog wants at least two in their PC tower
case. Some with pretty coloured lights that flash and change colour at
random. ;-)

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Baron.

 

[Baron]

David Farber Inscribed thus:

William R. Walsh wrote:
Hi!

That NMB fan is actually a pretty good quality unit, although I have
seen some failed ones over the years.

What you might do to extend its lifetime is to simply oil the
bearings. That will quiet it down and keep it running for many more
years to come. Just lift the label, remove a little rubber plug (only
with some fans) and drop some light oil in there.

Even if you replace the fan, you might want to do the same thing to
the replacement. Doing so can drastically increase the lifetime of
the fan, especially if the replacement is cheap.

William

Hi William,

Thanks for the tip on extending the lifetime of the fan.

Not always a good idea. Some have a synthetic lubrication which will
turn into sludge if you add a non synthetic oil to it. You can
sometimes get away with it on sleeve bearings particularly older fans.

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Baron.

 

[Arfa Daily]

"David Farber" <farberbear.unspam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4bd9db02$0$15023$bd467cd0@news.dslextreme.com...

Andy wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:53:43 -0700, "David Farber"
farberbear.unspam@aol.com> wrote:

I would like to replace this two-wire, 80mm square, power supply
fan. The power supply is used in an AudioReQuest music server and is
powered on continuously. The part number is, NMB-MAT 7 followed by a
model number of, 3110GL-B4W-B54. 12V DC, 0.30A. I've found a few
places online that have them listed but when I call they, don't have
them in stock or the price is prohibitively expensive. Is there some
generic fan that will replace this and not cost more than the power
supply itself?

Thanks for your reply.
COOLER MASTER SAF-B82-E1 80mm Case Fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999069

I think we have a winner! $6.99 and free shipping. Tough to beat that.
--
David Farber
David Farber's Service Center
L.A., CA

And roller bearings too ! That one's gotta be your boy ...

Arfa

 

[William R. Walsh]

Hi!

Not always a good idea.

I doubt the tolerances are that close in this sort of application. From what
I've seen, and from pre-emptively oiling fans before they could fail, very
few fan makers provide much of any additional lubrication to the fan
bearings. It's a rare fan that I've exposed the bearings on and found a
chunk of grease in there.

Of the fans I've rejuvenated by oiling, only a few were unresponsive to
treatment or would not continue running. These were the cheapest of the
cheap--all the rest continue to run perfectly.

William

 

[AZ Nomad]

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:22:45 -0500, William R. Walsh <newsgroups1@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.com> wrote:

Hi!

Not always a good idea.

I doubt the tolerances are that close in this sort of application. From what
I've seen, and from pre-emptively oiling fans before they could fail, very
few fan makers provide much of any additional lubrication to the fan
bearings. It's a rare fan that I've exposed the bearings on and found a
chunk of grease in there.

Of the fans I've rejuvenated by oiling, only a few were unresponsive to
treatment or would not continue running. These were the cheapest of the
cheap--all the rest continue to run perfectly.

William

I've never had the any luck rejuvenating fans with lubrication after the
fan's bearings have started to howl. By that stage of the game, the fan's cheap
worn out plastic bearings have so much slop, that nothing short of perhaps axle
grease will fill the slop.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 02:38:14 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

If you want long and quiet service, make sure that you get one with roller
bearings, not the cheapo sleeve bearings.

Arfa

Ceramic bearings appear to be even better:
http://www.ceramicafans.com/whyceramic.htm

- Franc Zabkar
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[Arfa Daily]

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:m54lt5demg9ddj1g4slrvsgmd9qut984ao@4ax.com...

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 02:38:14 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

If you want long and quiet service, make sure that you get one with roller
bearings, not the cheapo sleeve bearings.

Arfa

Ceramic bearings appear to be even better:
http://www.ceramicafans.com/whyceramic.htm

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Haven't had any experience of them yet.

Arfa

 

[UCLAN]

Arfa Daily wrote:

If you want long and quiet service, make sure that you get one with roller
bearings, not the cheapo sleeve bearings.

Arfa

Ceramic bearings appear to be even better:
http://www.ceramicafans.com/whyceramic.htm

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Haven't had any experience of them yet.

While ball-bearing fans have the longevity edge over cheap sleeve bearing
fans, they aren't necessarily quieter. And newer sleeve bearing designs,
such as Nidec's NBRX sleeve bearing, have made great strides in longevity.

 

[Ian Jackson]

In message
<c1c6ebf7-891b-4fba-9f3d-11d31bc2b5c1@j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Macy <macy@california.com> writes

On Apr 28, 10:53 am, "David Farber" <farberbear.uns...@aol.com> wrote:
I would like to replace this two-wire, 80mm square,  power supply fan. The
power supply is used in an AudioReQuest music server and is powered on
continuously. The part number is, NMB-MAT 7 followed by a model number of,
3110GL-B4W-B54. 12V DC, 0.30A. I've found a few places online that have them
listed but when I call they, don't have them in stock or the price is
prohibitively expensive. Is there some generic fan that will replace this
and not cost more than the power supply itself?

Thanks for your reply.
--
David Farber
David Farber's Service Center
L.A., CA

If you caught it in time, you can try relubing the bearins which will
get you by for a while.

Remove from PC and soak in 30 weight oil, clean up, put back in

I got another 6 months out of mine

My PSU fan seized solid, very solid (nice and quiet, though). The
replacement seemed rather noisy for my tastes. I eventually got the
original fan freed off. [It needed the application of a hot soldering
iron to the end of the spindle.] It ran for 18 months after being well
re-oiled with WD40. It was still going fine when, some time ago, I doing
a spot of once-in-a-while spring cleaning inside the case. So I re-oiled
it again with some '3-in-1' oil. It's still running fine.
--
Ian

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Ian Jackson wrote:

My PSU fan seized solid, very solid (nice and quiet, though). The
replacement seemed rather noisy for my tastes. I eventually got the
original fan freed off. [It needed the application of a hot soldering
iron to the end of the spindle.] It ran for 18 months after being well
re-oiled with WD40. It was still going fine when, some time ago, I doing
a spot of once-in-a-while spring cleaning inside the case. So I re-oiled
it again with some '3-in-1' oil. It's still running fine.

WD40 isn't a lubricant. It was developed for 'Water Displacement',
or in plain english, to spray on ignition wires that got wet.


Which '3-in-1' oil. That is a brand, not a type.

--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[Ian Jackson]

In message <JMadnWcTILZFPUHWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes

Ian Jackson wrote:

My PSU fan seized solid, very solid (nice and quiet, though). The
replacement seemed rather noisy for my tastes. I eventually got the
original fan freed off. [It needed the application of a hot soldering
iron to the end of the spindle.] It ran for 18 months after being well
re-oiled with WD40. It was still going fine when, some time ago, I doing
a spot of once-in-a-while spring cleaning inside the case. So I re-oiled
it again with some '3-in-1' oil. It's still running fine.


WD40 isn't a lubricant. It was developed for 'Water Displacement',
or in plain english, to spray on ignition wires that got wet.

Regardless of what it was developed for, WD40 does leave an oily layer.

It penetrates well, and prevents/halts rust. It also serves as a
sort-term lubricant. Despite what the purists might say, it does work
well as a switch cleaner/lubricant.

Which '3-in-1' oil. That is a brand, not a type.

It's the type in a small metal tin with a plastic nozzle - the very same

tin I've had on a shelf at the back of the garage for about 40 years. I
haven't a clue what the official grade is, other than its the general
purpose domestic stuff, like you'd use for oiling door hinges and
bicycle chains. And latterly, of course, computer fans.
--
Ian

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <JMadnWcTILZFPUHWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes

Ian Jackson wrote:

My PSU fan seized solid, very solid (nice and quiet, though). The
replacement seemed rather noisy for my tastes. I eventually got the
original fan freed off. [It needed the application of a hot soldering
iron to the end of the spindle.] It ran for 18 months after being well
re-oiled with WD40. It was still going fine when, some time ago, I doing
a spot of once-in-a-while spring cleaning inside the case. So I re-oiled
it again with some '3-in-1' oil. It's still running fine.


WD40 isn't a lubricant. It was developed for 'Water Displacement',
or in plain english, to spray on ignition wires that got wet.

Regardless of what it was developed for, WD40 does leave an oily layer.
It penetrates well, and prevents/halts rust. It also serves as a
sort-term lubricant. Despite what the purists might say, it does work
well as a switch cleaner/lubricant.

Which dries into a nasty, insulating film over time. I use PTFE to
lube small motors. It Works a lot better than WD40 ever could, and lasts
a lot longer.

<http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102643>

Which '3-in-1' oil. That is a brand, not a type.

It's the type in a small metal tin with a plastic nozzle - the very same
tin I've had on a shelf at the back of the garage for about 40 years. I
haven't a clue what the official grade is, other than its the general
purpose domestic stuff, like you'd use for oiling door hinges and
bicycle chains. And latterly, of course, computer

'3-in-1' does make an electric motor oil.



--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[UCLAN]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Which '3-in-1' oil. That is a brand, not a type.

It's the type in a small metal tin with a plastic nozzle - the very same
tin I've had on a shelf at the back of the garage for about 40 years. I
haven't a clue what the official grade is, other than its the general
purpose domestic stuff, like you'd use for oiling door hinges and
bicycle chains. And latterly, of course, computer

'3-in-1' does make an electric motor oil.

My favorite "3-in-1" product:

http://www.3inone.com/products/white-lithium-grease/

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

UCLAN wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Which '3-in-1' oil. That is a brand, not a type.

It's the type in a small metal tin with a plastic nozzle - the very same
tin I've had on a shelf at the back of the garage for about 40 years. I
haven't a clue what the official grade is, other than its the general
purpose domestic stuff, like you'd use for oiling door hinges and
bicycle chains. And latterly, of course, computer

'3-in-1' does make an electric motor oil.

My favorite "3-in-1" product:

http://www.3inone.com/products/white-lithium-grease/

I use lithium grease, but another brand that I can pick up from a car
parts dealer just down the street. I also use PB Blaster and Breakfree.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[mm]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:08:39 -0700, UCLAN <nomail@thanks.org> wrote:

David Farber wrote:

I would like to replace this two-wire, 80mm square, power supply fan. The
power supply is used in an AudioReQuest music server and is powered on
continuously. The part number is, NMB-MAT 7 followed by a model number of,
3110GL-B4W-B54. 12V DC, 0.30A. I've found a few places online that have them
listed but when I call they, don't have them in stock or the price is
prohibitively expensive. Is there some generic fan that will replace this
and not cost more than the power supply itself?

Any 2-wire, 80mm, 12VDC, 0.30A (approx) will do. Got a Radio Shack nearby?
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102826 will do.

Probably cheaper at some place like Frys.

Radio shack has a great webpage in many ways, but one enormous flaw is
that if you click on a link, it might say the part is out of stock,
even when stores have it.

I signed up to get an eamil when their remote A-B switch was back in
stock, and after months I got it, and figured well maybe it's also at
a store now too. So I went in and they had two and the clerk said
they had never been out of them.

He was very confident, and I had gone in the same day I got the email.
It seems unlikely they had in stock items actually shipped for the
same reason they sent me the email. They probably did have them all
along.

So to with the item above. It says it's out of stock, but when I
click on Find it in STores, it gives 10 stores around here that it
seems to say has it. I'd call some stores and see.

P&M

--
Posters should say what U,S. state if any they live in. Why
do so many keep their state as secret as their own name?

IANAL. That is, I am not a lawyer.

 

[Ian Jackson]

In message <_IednQW6vL_VJUHWnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes

Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <JMadnWcTILZFPUHWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes

Ian Jackson wrote:

My PSU fan seized solid, very solid (nice and quiet, though). The
replacement seemed rather noisy for my tastes. I eventually got the
original fan freed off. [It needed the application of a hot soldering
iron to the end of the spindle.] It ran for 18 months after being well
re-oiled with WD40. It was still going fine when, some time ago, I doing
a spot of once-in-a-while spring cleaning inside the case. So I re-oiled
it again with some '3-in-1' oil. It's still running fine.


WD40 isn't a lubricant. It was developed for 'Water Displacement',
or in plain english, to spray on ignition wires that got wet.

Regardless of what it was developed for, WD40 does leave an oily layer.
It penetrates well, and prevents/halts rust. It also serves as a
sort-term lubricant. Despite what the purists might say, it does work
well as a switch cleaner/lubricant.


Which dries into a nasty, insulating film over time. I use PTFE to
lube small motors. It Works a lot better than WD40 ever could, and lasts
a lot longer.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102643


Which '3-in-1' oil. That is a brand, not a type.

It's the type in a small metal tin with a plastic nozzle - the very same
tin I've had on a shelf at the back of the garage for about 40 years. I
haven't a clue what the official grade is, other than its the general
purpose domestic stuff, like you'd use for oiling door hinges and
bicycle chains. And latterly, of course, computer


'3-in-1' does make an electric motor oil.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not 'recommending' WD40 or 3-in-1 bicycle oil

for lubricating computer fans. It's just that I needed something, and
those were what I had immediately at hand. The sky did not fall, and
continues not to do so.
--
Ian

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <_IednQW6vL_VJUHWnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes

Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <JMadnWcTILZFPUHWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes

Ian Jackson wrote:

My PSU fan seized solid, very solid (nice and quiet, though). The
replacement seemed rather noisy for my tastes. I eventually got the
original fan freed off. [It needed the application of a hot soldering
iron to the end of the spindle.] It ran for 18 months after being well
re-oiled with WD40. It was still going fine when, some time ago, I doing
a spot of once-in-a-while spring cleaning inside the case. So I re-oiled
it again with some '3-in-1' oil. It's still running fine.


WD40 isn't a lubricant. It was developed for 'Water Displacement',
or in plain english, to spray on ignition wires that got wet.

Regardless of what it was developed for, WD40 does leave an oily layer.
It penetrates well, and prevents/halts rust. It also serves as a
sort-term lubricant. Despite what the purists might say, it does work
well as a switch cleaner/lubricant.


Which dries into a nasty, insulating film over time. I use PTFE to
lube small motors. It Works a lot better than WD40 ever could, and lasts
a lot longer.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102643


Which '3-in-1' oil. That is a brand, not a type.

It's the type in a small metal tin with a plastic nozzle - the very same
tin I've had on a shelf at the back of the garage for about 40 years. I
haven't a clue what the official grade is, other than its the general
purpose domestic stuff, like you'd use for oiling door hinges and
bicycle chains. And latterly, of course, computer


'3-in-1' does make an electric motor oil.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not 'recommending' WD40 or 3-in-1 bicycle oil
for lubricating computer fans. It's just that I needed something, and
those were what I had immediately at hand. The sky did not fall, and
continues not to do so.

I have had to clean up a lot of messes caused by people who used both
of those. I know gun collectors who have spent a lot of time removing
the hardened film of WD 40 off of the gun parts they are restoring.
They won't even allow a can of it around their homes or shops.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[Ian Jackson]

In message <PdmdnafF4qSdAkDWnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes

Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <_IednQW6vL_VJUHWnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes

Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <JMadnWcTILZFPUHWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes

Ian Jackson wrote:

My PSU fan seized solid, very solid (nice and quiet, though). The
replacement seemed rather noisy for my tastes. I eventually got the
original fan freed off. [It needed the application of a hot soldering
iron to the end of the spindle.] It ran for 18 months after being well
re-oiled with WD40. It was still going fine when, some time
doing
a spot of once-in-a-while spring cleaning inside the case. So I
oiled
it again with some '3-in-1' oil. It's still running fine.


WD40 isn't a lubricant. It was developed for 'Water Displacement',
or in plain english, to spray on ignition wires that got wet.

Regardless of what it was developed for, WD40 does leave an oily layer.
It penetrates well, and prevents/halts rust. It also serves as a
sort-term lubricant. Despite what the purists might say, it does work
well as a switch cleaner/lubricant.


Which dries into a nasty, insulating film over time. I use PTFE to
lube small motors. It Works a lot better than WD40 ever could, and lasts
a lot longer.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102643


Which '3-in-1' oil. That is a brand, not a type.

It's the type in a small metal tin with a plastic nozzle - the very same
tin I've had on a shelf at the back of the garage for about 40 years. I
haven't a clue what the official grade is, other than its the general
purpose domestic stuff, like you'd use for oiling door hinges and
bicycle chains. And latterly, of course, computer


'3-in-1' does make an electric motor oil.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not 'recommending' WD40 or 3-in-1 bicycle oil
for lubricating computer fans. It's just that I needed something, and
those were what I had immediately at hand. The sky did not fall, and
continues not to do so.


I have had to clean up a lot of messes caused by people who used both
of those. I know gun collectors who have spent a lot of time removing
the hardened film of WD 40 off of the gun parts they are restoring.
They won't even allow a can of it around their homes or shops.

It's a funny old world. The things that some people swear BY are often

exactly the same things that others swear AT!
--
Ian

 

[UCLAN]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Which '3-in-1' oil. That is a brand, not a type.

It's the type in a small metal tin with a plastic nozzle - the very same
tin I've had on a shelf at the back of the garage for about 40 years. I
haven't a clue what the official grade is, other than its the general
purpose domestic stuff, like you'd use for oiling door hinges and
bicycle chains. And latterly, of course, computer

'3-in-1' does make an electric motor oil.

My favorite "3-in-1" product:

http://www.3inone.com/products/white-lithium-grease/

I use lithium grease, but another brand that I can pick up from a car
parts dealer just down the street. I also use PB Blaster and Breakfree.

I like the "3-in-1" spray on lithium grease because I can reach hard to
get to places with the spray tube, yet it dries with the consistency of
regular lithium grease.

 

[UCLAN]

mm wrote:

Any 2-wire, 80mm, 12VDC, 0.30A (approx) will do. Got a Radio Shack nearby?
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102826 will do.

Probably cheaper at some place like Frys.

Radio shack has a great webpage in many ways, but one enormous flaw is
that if you click on a link, it might say the part is out of stock,
even when stores have it.

As with all websites (Petco, Best Buy, Home Depot, etc.) information
given for a product (availability, price, etc.) is for the website
ONLY! There is no way a website can pretend to keep up with the stock
details of thousands of retail stores. And only in a minority of cases
does a retail store match the price of a website. Only a fool would
think that a website saying "out-of-stock" would necessarily mean that
a retail store in BF, Iowa, was also out of stock.

I just bought a nice vinyl screen door (I'm 200' from the ocean) from
Home Depot that wasn't even available on their website. Apples and
oranges.