atomically correct time

Richard the Dreaded Liber · Aug 6, 2005

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 07:17:51 +0000, xray wrote:

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:56:28 -0700, Jim Thompson

For instance my office
TV is always tuned to Fox News and my back is to it, so radio would
suffice.

Ha ha! No surprise there. Feed your right-wing brain directly from the
tap. Fox News. The American equivalent of Al Jazeera.

Geez! Do you polarized guys ever use your Mother-Nature-Given brain to
do anything but play tapes of the party line? Like, "consider?"

Thanks,
Rich

Rich Grise · Aug 6, 2005

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:28:49 +1200, Ken Taylor wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On 5 Aug 2005 14:34:46 GMT, et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)
wrote:

Ben Bradley (ben_nospam_bradley@frontiernet.net) writes:
I at first thought the subject was "Anatomically correct time."
Surely that's no reflection of what's on my mind...

No, for some reason the same thought crossed my mind.

Michael

Me too ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
I feel a lot better - I thought it was just me! What does this say
about us??

We learned to read English phonically,[1] but after years' experience of
reading all manner of frog-knows-what language that the scriptkiddies are
writing these days, our brains filled in the closest most likely real word
that anybody's ever seen.

Who's ever heard or seen the word 'atomically' used in any context
whatsomever? [sic] Please explain. ;-)

Thanks!
Rich

[1] yes, that's 'phonically' - I learned by "Phonics." I was "hooked
on phonics" before it ever even thought about being an ad slogan. Now,
the reason for the footnote is that you probably thought that I
should have said, 'phonetically', but that's not what I meant, and
it's exactly the same phemonemon, at least from my little perspective
here.

Thanks!
Still Rich

Rich Grise · Aug 6, 2005

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:30:52 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:28:49 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On 5 Aug 2005 14:34:46 GMT, et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)
wrote:

Ben Bradley (ben_nospam_bradley@frontiernet.net) writes:
I at first thought the subject was "Anatomically correct time."
Surely that's no reflection of what's on my mind...

No, for some reason the same thought crossed my mind.

Michael

Me too ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
I feel a lot better - I thought it was just me! What does this say
about us??

Ken

Engineers are all alike ;-)

...Jim Thompson

LOL!

Thanks!
Rich

Rich Grise · Aug 6, 2005

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 19:57:02 +1200, Ken Taylor wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:28:49 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
On 5 Aug 2005 14:34:46 GMT, et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)
Ben Bradley (ben_nospam_bradley@frontiernet.net) writes:
I at first thought the subject was "Anatomically correct time."
Surely that's no reflection of what's on my mind...

No, for some reason the same thought crossed my mind.

Me too ;-)

I feel a lot better - I thought it was just me! What does this say
about us??

Engineers are all alike ;-)
....
I guess we see what we expect to see. On a similar note, my wife and I
were driving through the country-side a few months back and I saw a
house with a series of antennas beside it. She saw a house with a boat
next to it and the masts sticking up out of the river. It'd be a more
interesting example of seeing what you expect, if I'd been right rather
than her......

http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/
http://www.coolopticalillusions.com/jesusillusion.htm

I want to etch that second one into a mask and toast a tortilla over
it. >:-> Then sell it on e-bay, of course. ! >:->

Cheers!
Rich

Rich The Philosophizer · Aug 6, 2005

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 07:28:56 +0000, xray wrote:

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:33:11 +0200, martin griffith
martingriffith@XXyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:16:20 GMT, in sci.electronics.design Ben
Bradley <ben_nospam_bradley@frontiernet.net> wrote:

snip

, perhaps someday society
will break down and all these signals will be gone, then how will
anyone know what time it is?

If that happens, a sundial will be all that is required, and a
knowledge of when to plant crops

What about "Mad Max" and all those other end-of-the-world movies that
followed? Your brave new world seems really boring.

Is that the good news?

No. ""Road Warrior" might look like fun, but you might change your
attitude when there's nothing left to eat but rotting corpses."

If you want to survive armageddon, just follow your inner guidance.
That's what Free Will is all about, anyway, after all. 0*-)
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Cheers!
Rich

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Rich The Philosophizer · Aug 6, 2005

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:42:26 +0200, martin griffith wrote:

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 07:28:56 GMT, in sci.electronics.design xray
notreally@hotmail.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:33:11 +0200, martin griffith
martingriffith@XXyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:16:20 GMT, in sci.electronics.design Ben
Bradley <ben_nospam_bradley@frontiernet.net> wrote:

snip

, perhaps someday society
will break down and all these signals will be gone, then how will
anyone know what time it is?

If that happens, a sundial will be all that is required, and a
knowledge of when to plant crops

What about "Mad Max" and all those other end-of-the-world movies that
followed? Your brave new world seems really boring.

Is that the good news?

I hope so, but the real wars to come won't be about GWB, WMD,
terrorism etc. Those are just little skirmishes really. The real tough
ones will be about water that is drinkable

The only war that is "Yet To Come" is the one inside yourself.

Your outer reality is a reflection of your inner reality. I'm currently
engaged in a demonstration of that. It's extremely difficult to present
these multidimensional concepts in English, especially English that's
devoid of nuance.

But I am working on a diagram.

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Thanks!
Rich

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Michael A. Terrell · Aug 6, 2005

Jim Yanik wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:42F3D221.80F243EB@earthlink.net:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

I wonder where the subcarrier frequency is generated for the NTSC
signals we get out of the coax (which are converted from digital, it
looks like). Anyone know? I'm guessing it's in the distribution
boxes.

Most tv stations use a framestore at the transmitter site to remove
switching glitches and regenerate the sync with a 4* colorburst crystal,
like the cheap ones used on computer boards. There is no oven or
temperature control,

Most TEK signal generators had temp-controlled ovens and gen-locked to
incoming signal or a station reference.(black burst or subcarrier)

and most stations don't have an in house frequency
standard to tweak the circuit after it is at normal operating
temperature.

Uh,this I disagree with.It is usually some rubidium-based reference.
Otherwise,you get all sorts of problems with sync,SCH-phasing.

(I serviced TEK TV test equipment for 15+ years while at TEK.)

Add changes in temperature due to time of day, heat load
on the air conditioning and how the cold air is distributed in the
control room its a crap shoot. I had to try to sync to framestore
systems for a telethon using multiple studios for a telethon once. It
took both engineers over four hours to get them locked and to less than
one degree of phase error.

All of the hard work only worked for a couple days before it had to be
adjusted again. We were forced to use two different models which made
it worse, but I doubt that station will try it again.

I may have the schematic of a framestore in my collection. if I run
into it anytime soon I will scan that page and post it to ABSE.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

None of the frame stores I worked wioth were Tek.
--
Link to my "Computers for disabled Veterans" project website deleted
after threats were telephoned to my church.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Ben Bradley · Aug 6, 2005

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:07:43 GMT, Rich The Newsgroup Wacko
<wacko@example.com> wrote:

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 02:43:31 +0000, eli wrote:

I was wanting to design a clock that updated by both
-the atomic clock radio signal
-cell phone towers

this is because the atomic clock signal sometimes is hard to get so I
figured that cellphone towers are more reliable

does anyone have any suggestions

No, but the first time I saw the subject line, I read,
"anatomically correct time". What? They have time with
genitals now? ;-P

And every time I see a Dollar General store, I read it as ...

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Cheers!
Rich

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Jim Yanik · Aug 6, 2005

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:42F50315.60816F3E@earthlink.net:

Jim Yanik wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:42F3D221.80F243EB@earthlink.net:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

I wonder where the subcarrier frequency is generated for the NTSC
signals we get out of the coax (which are converted from digital,
it looks like). Anyone know? I'm guessing it's in the
distribution boxes.

Most tv stations use a framestore at the transmitter site to
remove
switching glitches and regenerate the sync with a 4* colorburst
crystal, like the cheap ones used on computer boards. There is no
oven or temperature control,

Most TEK signal generators had temp-controlled ovens and gen-locked
to incoming signal or a station reference.(black burst or subcarrier)

and most stations don't have an in house frequency
standard to tweak the circuit after it is at normal operating
temperature.

Uh,this I disagree with.It is usually some rubidium-based reference.
Otherwise,you get all sorts of problems with sync,SCH-phasing.

(I serviced TEK TV test equipment for 15+ years while at TEK.)

Add changes in temperature due to time of day, heat load
on the air conditioning and how the cold air is distributed in the
control room its a crap shoot. I had to try to sync to framestore
systems for a telethon using multiple studios for a telethon once.
It took both engineers over four hours to get them locked and to
less than one degree of phase error.

All of the hard work only worked for a couple days before it had
to be
adjusted again. We were forced to use two different models which
made it worse, but I doubt that station will try it again.

I may have the schematic of a framestore in my collection. if I
run
into it anytime soon I will scan that page and post it to ABSE.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

None of the frame stores I worked wioth were Tek.

TEK didn't make a framestore,they made a frame synchronizer that would
freeze-frame if the feed was lost.Their subsidiary,Grass Valley Group,may
have made such an instrument.I didn't service GVG instruments.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Ken Smith · Aug 7, 2005

In article <pan.2005.08.06.14.13.11.410143@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
[...]

You're confusing CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN with FNN. FNN is by far rhe more
balanced of the five. Guess why FNN viewership is up and *all* the others
down?

I assume you got that little nugget straight from FNN. Try google with
"fox news viewership"

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keith · Aug 7, 2005

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 03:06:17 +0000, Ken Smith wrote:

In article <pan.2005.08.06.14.13.11.410143@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
[...]
You're confusing CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN with FNN. FNN is by far rhe more
balanced of the five. Guess why FNN viewership is up and *all* the others
down?

I assume you got that little nugget straight from FNN.

That's your answer to every pice of news that you don't want to hear
(you're a perfect customer for Dan Blather). TV ratings are published
in more places than FNN, though it wouldn't surprise me if any of the
others spiked the story. They do that.

Try google with "fox news viewership"

Try reading for comprehension. FNN has more viewers than any other cable
outlet and rising. The rest are sucking wind. In particular, CBS/NBC/ABC
are in free-fall.

--
Keith

Jim Thompson · Aug 7, 2005

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:06:17 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken
Smith) wrote:

In article <pan.2005.08.06.14.13.11.410143@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
[...]
You're confusing CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN with FNN. FNN is by far rhe more
balanced of the five. Guess why FNN viewership is up and *all* the others
down?

I assume you got that little nugget straight from FNN. Try google with
"fox news viewership"

--

Now that's FUNNY!

Start with a liberal weenie source, "Daily Kos, a liberal weblog",
pass it on to CNN, yet another liberal fairie network, and then call
it fact.

It the report were even close to true, FNN would still lead CNN by
50%.

And how about talk radio? If an Air America founder hadn't stolen,
uh, er, loaned, $480,000 (minimum, the reports vary on upward) from a
boys and girls club, the "network" would be bust. Not that it isn't
near. And the money is nowhere to be found. Fortunately a criminal
investigation has begun.

Right wing radio has, on the other hand, been profitable from day one.

The problem would appear to be that liberals just aren't funny or
entertaining. After all, they only seem capable of shrieking and
whining and talking over an opponent in a debate when they're clearly
losing.

What dirtbags!

...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson · Aug 7, 2005

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:06:17 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken
Smith) wrote:

In article <pan.2005.08.06.14.13.11.410143@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
[...]
You're confusing CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN with FNN. FNN is by far rhe more
balanced of the five. Guess why FNN viewership is up and *all* the others
down?

I assume you got that little nugget straight from FNN. Try google with
"fox news viewership"

--

Try... http://www.washingtonian.com/inwashington/buzz/2005/0603.html

"According to Nielsen Media Research numbers, more than twice as many
viewers were tuning into Fox News Channel as to CNN. On average, in a
24-hour period 1.4 million people tuned into Fox while 610,000 watched
CNN."

I think Nielsen is just a WEE BIT more reliable than what the liberal
fairies report ;-)

BTW, FNN isn't FNC, FNN is the Financial News Network and is
floundering.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Jim Thompson · Aug 7, 2005

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:00:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:06:17 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken
Smith) wrote:

In article <pan.2005.08.06.14.13.11.410143@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
[...]
You're confusing CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN with FNN. FNN is by far rhe more
balanced of the five. Guess why FNN viewership is up and *all* the others
down?

I assume you got that little nugget straight from FNN. Try google with
"fox news viewership"

--

Try... http://www.washingtonian.com/inwashington/buzz/2005/0603.html

"According to Nielsen Media Research numbers, more than twice as many
viewers were tuning into Fox News Channel as to CNN. On average, in a
24-hour period 1.4 million people tuned into Fox while 610,000 watched
CNN."

I think Nielsen is just a WEE BIT more reliable than what the liberal
fairies report ;-)

BTW, FNN isn't FNC, FNN is the Financial News Network and is
floundering.

...Jim Thompson

Surfing on this subject is turning to hilarity. All the liberal
weenie fairies are desperately trying to spin the real numbers,
"Numbers don't mean anything", except they do, try advertisers ;-)

Good riddance!

...Jim Thompson
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480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

John Perry · Aug 7, 2005

Ken Smith wrote:

In article <pan.2005.08.06.14.13.11.410143@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
[...]

I assume you got that little nugget straight from FNN. Try google with
"fox news viewership"

OK, Ken, I did. Unlike you, however, I took the trouble to actually
read the "liberal fairies and weenies", as some others have
characterized them, and even they admit that Fox has a larger viewership
than the next two combined, and that the others had similar losses
during the period just after the election.

I'm not a right-winger, but even I appreciated the rise of talk radio
and Fox News as a welcome relief from the unrelieved Hollywood Hate and
far-left censorship coming from the Old Media.

Now, if we could just get some truly honest reportage, so I don't have
to dig through both sides' propaganda to find some information...

John Perry

Jim Thompson · Aug 7, 2005

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:07:59 -0400, John Perry <jp@no.spam> wrote:

Ken Smith wrote:
In article <pan.2005.08.06.14.13.11.410143@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
[...]

I assume you got that little nugget straight from FNN. Try google with
"fox news viewership"

OK, Ken, I did. Unlike you, however, I took the trouble to actually
read the "liberal fairies and weenies"

480)460-2350 | |
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keith · Aug 7, 2005

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:00:51 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

BTW, FNN isn't FNC, FNN is the Financial News Network and is
floundering.

Oh, crap! I can never keep network abbreviations straight.

--
Keith

keith · Aug 7, 2005

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 12:44:46 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:07:59 -0400, John Perry <jp@no.spam> wrote:

Ken Smith wrote:
In article <pan.2005.08.06.14.13.11.410143@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
[...]

I assume you got that little nugget straight from FNN. Try google with
"fox news viewership"

OK, Ken, I did. Unlike you, however, I took the trouble to actually
read the "liberal fairies and weenies"

[snip]

As did I. I actually listen to Air America quite regularly. I find
nutcases quite humorous ;-)

I find hate-speech unlistenable. The pinks have never hear of "humor".
It's not withing them.

BTW, if you want a very nice morning listen, try Bill Bennet's "Morning in
America". It's on XM, but nowhere else around here.

--
Keith

Jim Thompson · Aug 8, 2005

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:52:04 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken
Smith) wrote:

[snip]

Try the Christian Science Monitor. They seem to be the least biased.

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Ken Smith · Aug 8, 2005

In article <46sJe.97131$rb6.46713@lakeread07>, John Perry <jp@no.spam> wrote:

Ken Smith wrote:
In article <pan.2005.08.06.14.13.11.410143@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
[...]

I assume you got that little nugget straight from FNN. Try google with
"fox news viewership"

OK, Ken, I did. Unlike you, however, I took the trouble to actually
read the "liberal fairies and weenies", as some others have
characterized them, and even they admit that Fox has a larger viewership
than the next two combined, and that the others had similar losses
during the period just after the election.

The claim was made that viewship was up. The fact is that it is down.
There are many references showing that the claim is incorrect.

Also: don't assume I did not read what some of them said.

Now, if we could just get some truly honest reportage, so I don't have
to dig through both sides' propaganda to find some information...

Try the Christian Science Monitor. They seem to be the least biased.

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