Arre these whiskers?

I had a PCB which looked like that. After a while it stopped working.
A perfectly normal looking solder joint had gone high-impedance.
On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:54:54 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

Does anybody here know what this is:
http://panteltje.com/pub/whiskers_detail_IXIMG_0186.JPG
?

It is the inside of my Mastech clamp on meter,
use it every now and then to measure high DC current mainly.

Yesterday it stopped working (well most of the tries).
Apart from the worst soldering I have seen in years,
look between the chip pins, something is spreading out there.

Are these whiskers?
I tried scratching with a screwdriver between pin 3 and 4 and 4 and five from the top,
it is possible to remove that grey stuff.

I was stored dry at room temperature with every other test equipment and
those still work OK...

Best way to remove?

Remove chip and solder back with 60/40?
 
On a sunny day (Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:55:37 +0300) it happened LM
<sala.nimi@mail.com> wrote in <4mv7qeh98d3ss33j9s9p49ght411nvku89@4ax.com>:

I had a PCB which looked like that. After a while it stopped working.
A perfectly normal looking solder joint had gone high-impedance.

Thank you.
Got it working again, but for how long?
 
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2019-10-11 16:31, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 11. oktober 2019 kl. 22.21.35 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
On 2019-10-11 12:31, Martin Brown wrote:
On 11/10/2019 16:32, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote in
news:dJSdnVEU0ORtEz3AnZ2dnUU7-LHNnZ2d@giganews.com:

On 2019/10/11 5:36 a.m., DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:qnpsrb$mec$1@dont-email.me:

On 10/11/2019 5:18 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 11/10/2019 10:10, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
Does anybody here know what this is:
? Â?http://panteltje.com/pub/whiskers_detail_IXIMG_0186.JPG
?

That looks more like flux residue. Today's water-based
flux often leaves residues like that.

+1

Might still be worth cleaning it off though. Degraded flux can
sometimes end up being slightly hygroscopic and therefore leak
current pin to pin.


+2. Clean thoroughly with acetone and brush. Rinse with IPA and
brush.


??? NOT acetone!? That melts many polymers and the silk screen
??? inks and
softens the solder mask layer as well.

??? Simply use a brominated solvent.


Simply?

http://substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=halogenated_solvents

Not god for your lungs or liver!

I'd prefer to use 99% alcohol from the pharmacist/chemist...

John :-#(#

?? I didn't say halogenated, dipshit.? I said BROMINATED.

https://www.envirotechint.com/blog/ensolv-the-time-tested-cleaner/
?? It is what Boeing uses.? And no, my idea of Boeing and their
quality level did not take a hit over two pilot (training) error
centered plane crashes.


Bromine *is* a halogen you half wit. N bromopropane is not as benign or
inert as you seem to think. Quite a few exposure accidents.

https://www.osha.gov/dts/hazardalerts/1bromopropane_hazard_alert.html

When the nearly inert CFC degreasers got banned by the Montreal protocol
we had all sorts of fun trying to find an adequate degreaser for hard
vacuum electronics that worked well enough without being too toxic.


CO2 snow is about the best around--it melts on impact, and liquid CO2 is
a wonderful organic solvent.

afaik solid CO2 doesn't turn liquid, it turns directly to gas


It liquefies transiently on impact, which is why it works. Of course
it'll probably rip the silk screen off the board, but you can't have
everything. ;)

Some methanol was acquired by me after you mentioned it in a different,
much older thread. Do you suppose methanol is a good candidate to solve
Jan's problem? (Although Sylvia's solution seems best at this point.)
Methanol's MSDS concerns me. It makes me reluctant to even open it.

https://www.labchem.com/tools/msds/msds/VT430.pdf

Thank you, 73,

--
Don Kuenz, KB7RPU
There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.
 
On 2019-10-15 12:23, Don Kuenz, KB7RPU wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2019-10-11 16:31, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 11. oktober 2019 kl. 22.21.35 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
On 2019-10-11 12:31, Martin Brown wrote:
On 11/10/2019 16:32, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote in
news:dJSdnVEU0ORtEz3AnZ2dnUU7-LHNnZ2d@giganews.com:

On 2019/10/11 5:36 a.m., DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:qnpsrb$mec$1@dont-email.me:

On 10/11/2019 5:18 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 11/10/2019 10:10, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
Does anybody here know what this is:
? Â?http://panteltje.com/pub/whiskers_detail_IXIMG_0186.JPG
?

That looks more like flux residue. Today's water-based
flux often leaves residues like that.

+1

Might still be worth cleaning it off though. Degraded flux can
sometimes end up being slightly hygroscopic and therefore leak
current pin to pin.


+2. Clean thoroughly with acetone and brush. Rinse with IPA and
brush.


??? NOT acetone!? That melts many polymers and the silk screen
??? inks and
softens the solder mask layer as well.

??? Simply use a brominated solvent.


Simply?

http://substech.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=halogenated_solvents

Not god for your lungs or liver!

I'd prefer to use 99% alcohol from the pharmacist/chemist...

John :-#(#

?? I didn't say halogenated, dipshit.? I said BROMINATED.

https://www.envirotechint.com/blog/ensolv-the-time-tested-cleaner/
?? It is what Boeing uses.? And no, my idea of Boeing and their
quality level did not take a hit over two pilot (training) error
centered plane crashes.


Bromine *is* a halogen you half wit. N bromopropane is not as benign or
inert as you seem to think. Quite a few exposure accidents.

https://www.osha.gov/dts/hazardalerts/1bromopropane_hazard_alert.html

When the nearly inert CFC degreasers got banned by the Montreal protocol
we had all sorts of fun trying to find an adequate degreaser for hard
vacuum electronics that worked well enough without being too toxic.


CO2 snow is about the best around--it melts on impact, and liquid CO2 is
a wonderful organic solvent.

afaik solid CO2 doesn't turn liquid, it turns directly to gas


It liquefies transiently on impact, which is why it works. Of course
it'll probably rip the silk screen off the board, but you can't have
everything. ;)

Some methanol was acquired by me after you mentioned it in a different,
much older thread. Do you suppose methanol is a good candidate to solve
Jan's problem? (Although Sylvia's solution seems best at this point.)
Methanol's MSDS concerns me. It makes me reluctant to even open it.

https://www.labchem.com/tools/msds/msds/VT430.pdf

Thank you, 73,

If you're worried about small amounts of methanol vapour, you've
obviously led a very sheltered life. My Mum used to get rid of grease
spots on clothes using carbon tetrachloride. The lid of the can had a
cotton ball for a brush, sort of like rubber cement or oven cleaner.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Wednesday, 16 October 2019 01:12:01 UTC+1, Phil Hobbs wrote:
If you're worried about small amounts of methanol vapour, you've
obviously led a very sheltered life. My Mum used to get rid of grease
spots on clothes using carbon tetrachloride. The lid of the can had a
cotton ball for a brush, sort of like rubber cement or oven cleaner.

It gets worse. I can just remember London buses that carried a carbon
tetrachloride fire extinguisher in the driver's cab. There is a picture
of such a fire extinguisher on the CCl4 WiKi page.

John
 
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
> On 2019-10-15 12:23, Don Kuenz, KB7RPU wrote:

<snip>

Some methanol was acquired by me after you mentioned it in a different,
much older thread. Do you suppose methanol is a good candidate to solve
Jan's problem? (Although Sylvia's solution seems best at this point.)
Methanol's MSDS concerns me. It makes me reluctant to even open it.

https://www.labchem.com/tools/msds/msds/VT430.pdf


If you're worried about small amounts of methanol vapour, you've
obviously led a very sheltered life. My Mum used to get rid of grease
spots on clothes using carbon tetrachloride. The lid of the can had a
cotton ball for a brush, sort of like rubber cement or oven cleaner.

OK. It's high time for me put some methanol into a dropper bottle and
put it to good use. It'll be interesting to discover how it stacks up
against IPA.

Thank you, 73,

--
Don Kuenz, KB7RPU
There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.
 
On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:32:17 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/10/2019 17:50, Don Kuenz, KB7RPU wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2019-10-15 12:23, Don Kuenz, KB7RPU wrote:

snip

Some methanol was acquired by me after you mentioned it in a different,
much older thread. Do you suppose methanol is a good candidate to solve
Jan's problem? (Although Sylvia's solution seems best at this point.)
Methanol's MSDS concerns me. It makes me reluctant to even open it.

https://www.labchem.com/tools/msds/msds/VT430.pdf

If you're worried about small amounts of methanol vapour, you've
obviously led a very sheltered life. My Mum used to get rid of grease
spots on clothes using carbon tetrachloride. The lid of the can had a
cotton ball for a brush, sort of like rubber cement or oven cleaner.

OK. It's high time for me put some methanol into a dropper bottle and
put it to good use. It'll be interesting to discover how it stacks up
against IPA.

Its a much better solvent for organic gunk but as a smaller polar
molecule it has a nasty habit of initiating stress corrosion cracking in
any delicate plastic parts it may come into contact with.

There used to be a contact cleaner thing called Spray-Kleen that, with
a small sprit, would make polycarb crumble to dust. It was amazing.

I used some on a part of a Teletype machine and in a second or two all
sorts of springs and bits flew out.

It was no doubt super toxic too.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 
On 16/10/2019 17:50, Don Kuenz, KB7RPU wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2019-10-15 12:23, Don Kuenz, KB7RPU wrote:

snip

Some methanol was acquired by me after you mentioned it in a different,
much older thread. Do you suppose methanol is a good candidate to solve
Jan's problem? (Although Sylvia's solution seems best at this point.)
Methanol's MSDS concerns me. It makes me reluctant to even open it.

https://www.labchem.com/tools/msds/msds/VT430.pdf

If you're worried about small amounts of methanol vapour, you've
obviously led a very sheltered life. My Mum used to get rid of grease
spots on clothes using carbon tetrachloride. The lid of the can had a
cotton ball for a brush, sort of like rubber cement or oven cleaner.

OK. It's high time for me put some methanol into a dropper bottle and
put it to good use. It'll be interesting to discover how it stacks up
against IPA.

Its a much better solvent for organic gunk but as a smaller polar
molecule it has a nasty habit of initiating stress corrosion cracking in
any delicate plastic parts it may come into contact with.

Also capable of being absorbed through the skin so don't bathe in it.

IPA is slightly kinder to plastics but very bad for the eyes.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
torsdag den 17. oktober 2019 kl. 17.40.13 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:32:17 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/10/2019 17:50, Don Kuenz, KB7RPU wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2019-10-15 12:23, Don Kuenz, KB7RPU wrote:

snip

Some methanol was acquired by me after you mentioned it in a different,
much older thread. Do you suppose methanol is a good candidate to solve
Jan's problem? (Although Sylvia's solution seems best at this point.)
Methanol's MSDS concerns me. It makes me reluctant to even open it.

https://www.labchem.com/tools/msds/msds/VT430.pdf

If you're worried about small amounts of methanol vapour, you've
obviously led a very sheltered life. My Mum used to get rid of grease
spots on clothes using carbon tetrachloride. The lid of the can had a
cotton ball for a brush, sort of like rubber cement or oven cleaner.

OK. It's high time for me put some methanol into a dropper bottle and
put it to good use. It'll be interesting to discover how it stacks up
against IPA.

Its a much better solvent for organic gunk but as a smaller polar
molecule it has a nasty habit of initiating stress corrosion cracking in
any delicate plastic parts it may come into contact with.


There used to be a contact cleaner thing called Spray-Kleen that, with
a small sprit, would make polycarb crumble to dust. It was amazing.

I used some on a part of a Teletype machine and in a second or two all
sorts of springs and bits flew out.

It was no doubt super toxic too.

ethanol will do that to acrylic
 

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