arithmetically challenged people

[William Sommerwerck]

As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So... does she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the die!

--
"We already know the answers -- we just haven't asked the right
questions." -- Edwin Land

 

On Wed, 11 May 2011 14:07:59 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So... does she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the die!

It's all about extending the "suspense".

There's also the possibility that the viewers might not have been able
to understand why she didn't roll again ;-)

John

 

[polymod]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:iqetrg$ek4$1@dont-email.me...

As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So... does
she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the die!

Even Jackie Gleason got nervous on The $64,000 Question.
I'd probably would have done the same

Poly

 

[Kevin Krell]

On 5/11/2011 2:07 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So... does she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the die!

OK, guess I'm mathematically challenged, then. Of course she has to

roll again, at least once more (and possibly twice if #3 is a one), as
the 8 is still less than the 10 you're saying she requires.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 12/05/2011 4:03 PM, Kevin Krell wrote:

On 5/11/2011 2:07 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a
die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So...
does she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the die!

OK, guess I'm mathematically challenged, then. Of course she has to roll
again, at least once more (and possibly twice if #3 is a one), as the 8
is still less than the 10 you're saying she requires.

But she's bound to get at least 1 on each subsequent roll, so no matter
what happens she wins. Accordingly, as the OP indicated, there's no need
to bother.

Sylvia

 

[Trevor]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:931bpsFhe6U1@mid.individual.net...

On 12/05/2011 4:03 PM, Kevin Krell wrote:
On 5/11/2011 2:07 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a
die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So...
does she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the die!

OK, guess I'm mathematically challenged, then. Of course she has to roll
again, at least once more (and possibly twice if #3 is a one), as the 8
is still less than the 10 you're saying she requires.

But she's bound to get at least 1 on each subsequent roll, so no matter
what happens she wins. Accordingly, as the OP indicated, there's no need
to bother.

Perhaps his dice have a zero on one side

Trevor.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:iqetrg$ek4$1@dont-email.me...

As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So... does
she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the die!

Maybe she believed the more points she would get the bigger the prize !
=D

There is a little tale about a woman being greedy ! =D

Bye,
Skybuck.

--
"We already know the answers -- we just haven't asked the right
questions." -- Edwin Land

 

[petrus bitbyter]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
news:iqetrg$ek4$1@dont-email.me...

As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So... does
she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the die!

--
"We already know the answers -- we just haven't asked the right
questions." -- Edwin Land

Depends on the rules you did not mention. She still does not have 10 points
even though she sure will have them when she rolls one or two times more.

Nevertheless I want to know why the person is a woman. I suppose there's
another answer that will make the difference.

petrus bitbyter

 

[PeterD]

On 5/12/2011 2:07 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 12/05/2011 4:03 PM, Kevin Krell wrote:
On 5/11/2011 2:07 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a
die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So...
does she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the die!

OK, guess I'm mathematically challenged, then. Of course she has to roll
again, at least once more (and possibly twice if #3 is a one), as the 8
is still less than the 10 you're saying she requires.

But she's bound to get at least 1 on each subsequent roll, so no matter
what happens she wins. Accordingly, as the OP indicated, there's no need
to bother.

Sylvia

You need to understand the rules of game TV to understand why they did
what they did. It was not an option to 'give it to her', she was
required to roll.

--
I'm never going to grow up.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 12/05/2011 10:29 PM, PeterD wrote:

On 5/12/2011 2:07 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 12/05/2011 4:03 PM, Kevin Krell wrote:
On 5/11/2011 2:07 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a
die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So...
does she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the
die!

OK, guess I'm mathematically challenged, then. Of course she has to roll
again, at least once more (and possibly twice if #3 is a one), as the 8
is still less than the 10 you're saying she requires.

But she's bound to get at least 1 on each subsequent roll, so no matter
what happens she wins. Accordingly, as the OP indicated, there's no need
to bother.

Sylvia

You need to understand the rules of game TV to understand why they did
what they did. It was not an option to 'give it to her', she was
required to roll.

Rules?

Sylvia.

 

[PeterD]

On 5/12/2011 10:52 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 12/05/2011 10:29 PM, PeterD wrote:
On 5/12/2011 2:07 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 12/05/2011 4:03 PM, Kevin Krell wrote:
On 5/11/2011 2:07 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a
die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So...
does she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the
die!

OK, guess I'm mathematically challenged, then. Of course she has to
roll
again, at least once more (and possibly twice if #3 is a one), as the 8
is still less than the 10 you're saying she requires.

But she's bound to get at least 1 on each subsequent roll, so no matter
what happens she wins. Accordingly, as the OP indicated, there's no need
to bother.

Sylvia

You need to understand the rules of game TV to understand why they did
what they did. It was not an option to 'give it to her', she was
required to roll.


Rules?

Sylvia.

Yes, the federal government has rules in place for game shows, in effect
since the early 60s, following a number of scandals where contestants
were given 'special' treatment.



--
I'm never going to grow up.

 

[Bill Graham]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of
a die to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls.
So... does she or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She
actually rolls the die!

Of course she rolls the die. She has to, because she needs to get ten, and
she only has eight. So, by the rules of the game she has to keep rolling
until she gets the ten she needs, or runs out of rolls. Getting a good start
is not the same as winning.

 

[Bill Graham]

Kevin Krell wrote:

On 5/11/2011 2:07 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of
a die to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls.
So... does she or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She
actually rolls the die!
OK, guess I'm mathematically challenged, then. Of course she has to
roll again, at least once more (and possibly twice if #3 is a one), as
the 8 is still less than the 10 you're saying she requires.

No, you are not mathematically challenged. You are absolutely correct. So,
there are at least two of us who can read.

 

[Bill Graham]

Sylvia Else wrote:

On 12/05/2011 4:03 PM, Kevin Krell wrote:
On 5/11/2011 2:07 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls
of a die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So...
does she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the
die!
OK, guess I'm mathematically challenged, then. Of course she has to
roll again, at least once more (and possibly twice if #3 is a one),
as the 8 is still less than the 10 you're saying she requires.

But she's bound to get at least 1 on each subsequent roll, so no
matter what happens she wins. Accordingly, as the OP indicated,
there's no need to bother.

Sylvia

Oh! - I get it now. She's rolling to obtain a number on the die between 1
and 6 inclusive. This wasn't made clear in the original statement. I didn't
know what she was rolling for. If its just a number on the face of the die,
then sure. She has already won the game, so there is no reason to
continue....

 

[Bill Graham]

Trevor wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:931bpsFhe6U1@mid.individual.net...
On 12/05/2011 4:03 PM, Kevin Krell wrote:
On 5/11/2011 2:07 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls
of a die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So...
does she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls
the die!
OK, guess I'm mathematically challenged, then. Of course she has to
roll again, at least once more (and possibly twice if #3 is a one),
as the 8 is still less than the 10 you're saying she requires.

But she's bound to get at least 1 on each subsequent roll, so no
matter what happens she wins. Accordingly, as the OP indicated,
there's no need to bother.

Perhaps his dice have a zero on one side

Trevor.

One possibility. Or she might have to match some number from 1 to 6 that
someone else pulled out of a hat, or there are many other scenearios that
might be in the game. If all she has to do is get the number that comes up
on the die, then she has already won after two rolls.

 

[Soundhaspriority]

"Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors:
Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No.
1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say
No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No.
2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?"

The above is a famous problem. I've left out the attribution to give you a
few minutes (or forever, if you want) to enjoy it.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

 

[John Williamson]

Bill Graham wrote:

Kevin Krell wrote:
On 5/11/2011 2:07 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of
a die to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls.
So... does she or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She
actually rolls the die!
OK, guess I'm mathematically challenged, then. Of course she has to
roll again, at least once more (and possibly twice if #3 is a one), as
the 8 is still less than the 10 you're saying she requires.

No, you are not mathematically challenged. You are absolutely correct.
So, there are at least two of us who can read.

I've not seen the show, as I'm on the East of the Atlantic. The fact is
that a win is not inevitable with the score given. The di(c)e *could*
fall off the table on one or more subsequent rolls, for no score, unless
it's a sealed die shaker. I'd agree it's almost vanishingly unlikely....

As pointed out by another poster, the show rules (which may be known
only to the contestants and the show crew) might state that rolling must
continue until the needed score is reached or exceeded.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

 

[John Williamson]

Soundhaspriority wrote:

"Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three
doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a
door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens
another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you
want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?"

The above is a famous problem. I've left out the attribution to give you
a few minutes (or forever, if you want) to enjoy it.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
Spoiler alert

Yes, by about 50%, and that fact has caused a *lot* of argument and
discussion in another group that I frequent.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Sylvia Else wrote:

On 12/05/2011 10:29 PM, PeterD wrote:
On 5/12/2011 2:07 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 12/05/2011 4:03 PM, Kevin Krell wrote:
On 5/11/2011 2:07 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
As I'm working, "Let's Make a Deal" is on. A woman has four rolls of a
die
to get 10 points or more. She gets 8 on the first two rolls. So...
does she
or the host say "No need to roll again?" No! She actually rolls the
die!

OK, guess I'm mathematically challenged, then. Of course she has to roll
again, at least once more (and possibly twice if #3 is a one), as the 8
is still less than the 10 you're saying she requires.

But she's bound to get at least 1 on each subsequent roll, so no matter
what happens she wins. Accordingly, as the OP indicated, there's no need
to bother.

Sylvia

You need to understand the rules of game TV to understand why they did
what they did. It was not an option to 'give it to her', she was
required to roll.


Rules?

Sylvia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_$64,000_Question
--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

The "Let's Make a Deal" paradox has been argued about for decades.

The correct answer is that changing your selection is statistically likely
to result in getting the "good" prize 2/3 of the time.

The simplest explanation is that the contestant chooses a curtain with a bad
prize 2/'3 of the time, and the host always reveals one of the bad prizes
behind a different curtain. Ergo, 2/3 of the time the good prize is behind
the unchosen/unopened curtain, and you should switch.

QED.