Are Gadgets killing PCs?

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl wrote

terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
keithr wrote

My missus does the shopping, she doesn't need to be told
where the stuff is located, after about the fourth week of
moving here, she had that down pat.

Where do you shop? Around here it is musical shelves.

That's what the cameras are for when you find something they
hide it, if you find it again it goes off the shelf completely. I don't
bother now if Woolworth's hide it, it goes on my Aldi list.

It's actually a scam where suppliers are blackmailed into
the placement of goods in stores and on shelves. Notice
everything you want going to bottom shelf at the back.

Nothing I buy there ever is.

Link below is why
http://www.foodmag.com.au/news/woolies-sacks-tea-and-coffee-buyer

Just another utterly mindless conspiracy theory.

Aldi ground coffee is not bad and $7 for ˝ kilo.

I always bought the beans and ground it myself when I still bothered with coffee.

Only tried it because ˝ kilo bags of Melitta disappeared from
Woolies and the others were horrible and want $20 for ˝ kilo.

Aldi meat is also better quality and about third price.

I only use the specials prices, never pay full price for meat.

You have to do your shopping now in at least 2 supermarkets to get all you want

I dont have to do that.

Aldi for me is as convenient as Woolworth's. Can't wait for
their beer (cheaper than Rods) from Germany or Belgium.

LIke hell its cheaper than mine. The main problem with the price is the
excise duty on commercial beer that you dont pay with home brewed beer.

The shinyarses at Woolworths have driven 40% of my and others away

That is a bare faced lie, proven by their publicly available figures.

and given themselves a payrise saying what a good boy am I.

Because they have done better than Coles until they imported some poms.

 

[keithr]

On 23/01/2012 1:42 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because
I cant buy anything like as good marmalade as I can make,
can vary anything from $3/KG to $20

My, you are domesticated! I used to enjoy Roses Lime Marmalade, but I'm
not allowed to have it any more and have to make do with the reduced
sugar stuff

 

[Gordon Levi]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Gordon Levi wrote
Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote

PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828

Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?

If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.

That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together, stupid.

Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need a computer in
more than one location have a single laptop that they use wherever they are.

Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.

It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
the storage and processing grunt commonly required.

But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic stuff.

Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the ability to
connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever they happen to be.

They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a few texts.

I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient to use a real keyboard.

I'm sorry. I should not have used a TLA but I thought that readers of
this thread would know that a HID includes screens and keyboards. In
any case, the example I provide below illustrates the point that you
may want to connect your "computer" to all sorts of human interface
devices, including your TV and your car sound system.

The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is coming
http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.

You're wrong, as always.

Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.

That is meaningless. What is a "real PC of some sort"?

 

[terryc]

keithr wrote:

Sounds like a typical yuppie showing off her possessions.

I resemble that. I was told "you add new meaning to toy boy" by SWMBO'd.
All I was doing was saving the location of a different shopping centre
into the car GPS device, but I had to do it outside the car.

 

[Rod Speed]

keithr wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because I cant buy anything like as good marmalade as I can make,
can vary anything from $3/KG to $20

My, you are domesticated!

Nope, just have enough of a clue to realise that if they
dont make what I want, it isnt that hard to make it myself.

Did it with the tomato and chilli relish that they stopped
making too. What I make myself leaves anything I have
ever bought for dead, should have made it myself long
before they stopped making the one I did buy.

I used to enjoy Roses Lime Marmalade,

Its not a patch on what I make.

but I'm not allowed to have it any more and have to make do with the reduced sugar stuff

Its trivial to make a reduced sugar marmalade that leaves it for dead.

 

[Rod Speed]

Gordon Levi wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Gordon Levi wrote
Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote

PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828

Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?

If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.

That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together, stupid.

Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need
a computer in more than one location have a single laptop
that they use wherever they are.

Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.

It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
the storage and processing grunt commonly required.

But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic stuff.

Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the
ability to connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever
they happen to be.

They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a few texts.

I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient
to use a real keyboard.

I'm sorry.

Liar.

I should not have used a TLA but I thought that readers of this
thread would know that a HID includes screens and keyboards.

That was a comment on your stupid claim about mobile phones.

In any case, the example I provide below illustrates the point that
you may want to connect your "computer" to all sorts of human
interface devices, including your TV and your car sound system.

Irrelevant to that stupid claim of yours that I was commenting on.

The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is
coming http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.

You're wrong, as always.

Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.

That is meaningless.

You're lying, again.

What is a "real PC of some sort"?

What I said, a PC in desktop, laptop, notebook or tablet
format, not a mobile with no keyboard and a tiny screen.

 

[Yaputya Leftlegin]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9o5p33FjqdU1@mid.individual.net...

keithr wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because I cant buy
anything like as good marmalade as I can make, can vary anything from
$3/KG to $20

My, you are domesticated!

Nope, just have enough of a clue to realise that if they
dont make what I want, it isnt that hard to make it myself.

Did it with the tomato and chilli relish that they stopped
making too. What I make myself leaves anything I have
ever bought for dead, should have made it myself long
before they stopped making the one I did buy.

Good relish and chutney is expensive, would you mind posting your recipes ?

I used to enjoy Roses Lime Marmalade,

Its not a patch on what I make.

but I'm not allowed to have it any more and have to make do with the
reduced sugar stuff

Its trivial to make a reduced sugar marmalade that leaves it for dead.

I make my own Kimchi, much cheaper than buying it when the right cabbage is
cheap.
You can make it as hot as you like.
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Traditional-Napa-Cabbage-Kimchi-233839

http://www.easykoreanfood.com/Kimchi-Recipe.html

 

[Rod Speed]

Yaputya Leftlegin wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
keithr wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Some stuff like the limes I make marmalade out of because I cant buy anything like as good marmalade as I can make,
can vary anything from $3/KG to $20

My, you are domesticated!

Nope, just have enough of a clue to realise that if they
dont make what I want, it isnt that hard to make it myself.

Did it with the tomato and chilli relish that they stopped
making too. What I make myself leaves anything I have
ever bought for dead, should have made it myself long
before they stopped making the one I did buy.

Good relish and chutney is expensive,

True, tho that isnt the reason I make it myself.

would you mind posting your recipes ?

I started from
http://www.taste.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6064&sid=49c3a0519a5c4283f3a84bd1eca648c0
and used the cheapest canned diced tomatoes I could find, 66c a can.
Basically chucked everything in the food processor, and didnt bother to let
it rest overnight before cooking, because none of the other recipies did that.

Did it both with dried chilli flakes and with fresh jalepano chillies, the hot ones.
Cant really tell the difference between the two batches except for the fact that you
can still sort of see some of the flakes in the batch where I used the dried flakes.

Used 10 tablespoons of flakes and 5 jalapano chillies respectively.

Also tried both the 5 cloves of garlic and the same amount of minced garlic
in those little glass jars, cant tell the difference between those batches either.

Havent tried how important the other minor ingredients are, there seems
to be an awful lot of them and I'd be surprised if most could pick the batches
with particular ones left out in a proper double blind trial but havent tried that yet.

The cornflour is pretty important. I eat about half of the relish on the open
sandwitches I make with every loaf of bread I also make, never buy commercial
bread anymore either. I make it in a vertical loaf bread machine and start it so
the bread is ready very late in the day and have that for dinner that day.
I cut the dome off and put butter, relish, hot salami and lettuce on that
so its important that the relish doesnt drip on me when I am eating that.

I also use the relish on cold roast lamb with peas, corn and microwaved potatoes,
what I do with other than the first meal from a roast leg of lamb. Hot potatoes,
peas, corn, and cold roast lamb and relish with fresh tomatoes as well.

I used to enjoy Roses Lime Marmalade,

Its not a patch on what I make.

but I'm not allowed to have it any more and have to make do with the reduced sugar stuff

Its trivial to make a reduced sugar marmalade that leaves it for dead.

I make my own Kimchi, much cheaper than buying it when the right cabbage is cheap.
You can make it as hot as you like.
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Traditional-Napa-Cabbage-Kimchi-233839

http://www.easykoreanfood.com/Kimchi-Recipe.html

Thanks for that, I'll give it a go.

 

[keithr]

On 24/01/2012 1:20 AM, terryc wrote:

keithr wrote:

Sounds like a typical yuppie showing off her possessions.

I resemble that. I was told "you add new meaning to toy boy" by SWMBO'd.
All I was doing was saving the location of a different shopping centre
into the car GPS device, but I had to do it outside the car.

I cop crap from the same source when I use the GPS while going somewhere
that I know the route to, but I use it as a precision speedo,

 

[David Segall]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Gordon Levi wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Gordon Levi wrote
Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote

PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and other gadgets,
such as internet TVs are having a massive affect on current PC sales.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828

Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?

If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.

That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together, stupid.

Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need
a computer in more than one location have a single laptop
that they use wherever they are.

Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.

It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
the storage and processing grunt commonly required.

But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic stuff.

Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the
ability to connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever
they happen to be.

They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a few texts.

I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient
to use a real keyboard.

I'm sorry.

Liar.

I should not have used a TLA but I thought that readers of this
thread would know that a HID includes screens and keyboards.

That was a comment on your stupid claim about mobile phones.

In any case, the example I provide below illustrates the point that
you may want to connect your "computer" to all sorts of human
interface devices, including your TV and your car sound system.

Irrelevant to that stupid claim of yours that I was commenting on.

The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is
coming http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.

You're wrong, as always.

Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.

That is meaningless.

You're lying, again.

What is a "real PC of some sort"?

What I said, a PC in desktop, laptop, notebook or tablet
format, not a mobile with no keyboard and a tiny screen.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean that
a 7" Android tablet is a "real PC of some sort" but a 5.3" Galaxy Pen
is not. So what _do_ you mean by "PC"? Why can't you add the screen,
mouse and keyboard you want to your mobile phone? I can use the same
bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speakers with my mobile phone as I use
with my "real PC". Both the phone and the PC allow me to plug in any
screen that has an HDMI connector.

 

[Rod Speed]

David Segall wrote:

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Gordon Levi wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Gordon Levi wrote
Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote

PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and
other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive affect
on current PC sales.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828

Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?

If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.

That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together,
stupid.

Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need
a computer in more than one location have a single laptop
that they use wherever they are.

Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.

It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
the storage and processing grunt commonly required.

But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic
stuff.

Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the
ability to connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever
they happen to be.

They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a
few texts.

I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient
to use a real keyboard.

I'm sorry.

Liar.

I should not have used a TLA but I thought that readers of this
thread would know that a HID includes screens and keyboards.

That was a comment on your stupid claim about mobile phones.

In any case, the example I provide below illustrates the point that
you may want to connect your "computer" to all sorts of human
interface devices, including your TV and your car sound system.

Irrelevant to that stupid claim of yours that I was commenting on.

The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is
coming http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.

You're wrong, as always.

Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.

That is meaningless.

You're lying, again.

What is a "real PC of some sort"?

What I said, a PC in desktop, laptop, notebook or tablet
format, not a mobile with no keyboard and a tiny screen.


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean that
a 7" Android tablet is a "real PC of some sort" but a 5.3" Galaxy Pen
is not. So what _do_ you mean by "PC"? Why can't you add the screen,
mouse and keyboard you want to your mobile phone?

Because then it isnt portable, stupid.

I can use the same bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speakers
with my mobile phone as I use with my "real PC".

But then it still wont work as a multichannel PVR, stupid.

Both the phone and the PC allow me to plug
in any screen that has an HDMI connector.

But that screen wont fit in your pocket anymore, stupid.

 

[Gordon Levi]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

David Segall wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Gordon Levi wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Gordon Levi wrote
Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote

PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and
other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive affect
on current PC sales.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828

Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?

If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.

That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together,
stupid.

Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need
a computer in more than one location have a single laptop
that they use wherever they are.

Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.

It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
the storage and processing grunt commonly required.

But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic
stuff.

Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the
ability to connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever
they happen to be.

They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a
few texts.

I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient
to use a real keyboard.

I'm sorry.

Liar.

I should not have used a TLA but I thought that readers of this
thread would know that a HID includes screens and keyboards.

That was a comment on your stupid claim about mobile phones.

In any case, the example I provide below illustrates the point that
you may want to connect your "computer" to all sorts of human
interface devices, including your TV and your car sound system.

Irrelevant to that stupid claim of yours that I was commenting on.

The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is
coming http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.

You're wrong, as always.

Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.

That is meaningless.

You're lying, again.

What is a "real PC of some sort"?

What I said, a PC in desktop, laptop, notebook or tablet
format, not a mobile with no keyboard and a tiny screen.


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean that
a 7" Android tablet is a "real PC of some sort" but a 5.3" Galaxy Pen
is not. So what _do_ you mean by "PC"? Why can't you add the screen,
mouse and keyboard you want to your mobile phone?

Because then it isnt portable, stupid.

If you want something portable then you add a portable one such as
<http://tinyurl.com/33ljktw>.

I can use the same bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speakers
with my mobile phone as I use with my "real PC".

But then it still wont work as a multichannel PVR, stupid.

If you want a PVR then you add some USB ports
<http://tinyurl.com/46u266u>. Of course, you may need more than one
"computer" if you want to leave one connected to your home TV antenna
while you take another to Europe with you. I agree that MythTV is a
great way to prolong the useful life of an old computer.

Both the phone and the PC allow me to plug
in any screen that has an HDMI connector.

But that screen wont fit in your pocket anymore, stupid.

Does your preferred "real PC" fit in your pocket? The phone will still
fit in your pocket if you leave the screen at home.

Basically, you are having trouble with the concept that, within a few
years, your smart phone will be as powerful as a "real PC" and that
the small size and huge volumes will make it cheaper to produce than
the desktop or laptop that you now see as a "real PC". As I said at
the beginning of this thread, the trend is clear from the plummeting
price of notebooks and netbooks compared to the fairly stable price of
desktops.

 

[Rod Speed]

Gordon Levi wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
David Segall wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Gordon Levi wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Gordon Levi wrote
Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote

PC sales have flat-lined. Seems the Android, iPhone, iPad, and
other gadgets, such as internet TVs are having a massive affect
on current PC sales.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-pc-industry-is-heading-for-collapse/17828

Is the PC industry is heading for collapse?

If you mean conventional desktop PCs then of course it is.

That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together, stupid.

Already a significant proportion of (most?) users who need
a computer in more than one location have a single laptop
that they use wherever they are.

Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.

It seems likely that fairly soon a mobile phone will have
the storage and processing grunt commonly required.

But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic stuff.

Almost everyone carries a mobile phone so they only need the
ability to connect to the appropriate servers and HIDs wherever
they happen to be.

They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a few texts.

I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more
convenient to use a real keyboard.

I'm sorry.

Liar.

I should not have used a TLA but I thought that readers of this
thread would know that a HID includes screens and keyboards.

That was a comment on your stupid claim about mobile phones.

In any case, the example I provide below illustrates the point
that you may want to connect your "computer" to all sorts of human
interface devices, including your TV and your car sound system.

Irrelevant to that stupid claim of yours that I was commenting on.

The Motorola Atrix is not there yet but I think it shows what is
coming http://tinyurl.com/64ok49t.

You're wrong, as always.

Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.

That is meaningless.

You're lying, again.

What is a "real PC of some sort"?

What I said, a PC in desktop, laptop, notebook or tablet
format, not a mobile with no keyboard and a tiny screen.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean
that a 7" Android tablet is a "real PC of some sort" but a 5.3"
Galaxy Pen is not. So what _do_ you mean by "PC"? Why can't you add
the screen, mouse and keyboard you want to your mobile phone?

Because then it isnt portable, stupid.

If you want something portable then you add a portable one such as
http://tinyurl.com/33ljktw.

Makes more sense to have a separate PC in the format you prefer instead.

I can use the same bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speakers
with my mobile phone as I use with my "real PC".

But then it still wont work as a multichannel PVR, stupid.

If you want a PVR then you add some USB ports
http://tinyurl.com/46u266u.

Makes more sense to have a separate PC in the format you prefer instead.

Of course, you may need more than one "computer"
if you want to leave one connected to your home TV
antenna while you take another to Europe with you.

So it makes no sense to be stupid enough to do the PVR on the mobile phone.

And the 20TB of storage doesnt do a lot for the portability of the phone either.

I agree that MythTV is a great way to prolong the useful life of an old computer.

It makes a lot more sense to have the main PC as the PVR now and dont
bother with Linux at all. Gives you a lot more choice with the hardware.

Both the phone and the PC allow me to plug
in any screen that has an HDMI connector.

But that screen wont fit in your pocket anymore, stupid.

Does your preferred "real PC" fit in your pocket?

Doesnt need to, the phone does that fine.

And its got a lot more horsepower than the phone too.

The phone will still fit in your pocket if you leave the screen at home.

Makes no sense to be crippling along on the phone all the time.

Basically, you are having trouble with the concept that, within a
few years, your smart phone will be as powerful as a "real PC"

It wont, because the real PC will continue to evolve too.

and that the small size and huge volumes will make it cheaper to
produce than the desktop or laptop that you now see as a "real PC".

How odd that it isnt.

As I said at the beginning of this thread, the trend is clear from the plummeting
price of notebooks and netbooks compared to the fairly stable price of desktops.

Thats a pig ignorant lie too on the price of the desktops.