Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in H

[harry newton]

He who is JF Mezei said on Wed, 3 Jan 2018 12:56:27 -0500:

Funny how the 6s PLUS doesn't have that. Same battery chemistry. Same
CPU and components. Oh, but while same chemistry, it has BIGGER Battery
which means that it is able to supply my amps than the small battery
when cold/old.

All phone may have smame/similar battery chemistry, but how the battery
is sized relative to power consumption needs of the phone makes a huge
difference.

The bigger Android phone have mega battteries like 5000-7000mAh compared
to the ~1750 on the 6s.

Everything you say is apropos, where nospam, as a classic Apple Apologist,
tries to intimate because all phones have batteries, that this
Apple-created Apple-only problem is inside of all phones.

That's like saying because all houses have paint, that lead paint is in all
houses if it's in just one house.

I don't know why facts are invisible to the Apple Apologists, but nospam
knows very well this is a specific problem for specific phones, just like
the Samsung exploding battery problem was a specific problem for a specific
phone.

As you aptly noted, Apple *knows* exactly what the problem is, and since
the solution is to fix the design, they decided to secretly take the
simpler way out ...

And for that, I predict they'll need to settle those lawsuits out of court
and then, when they have that behind them, they can come clean and just
make the customer harm good.

Hence I predict the following along that strategy:
1. Apple won't admit fault until they settle the lawsuits in court
2. Once they settle, the settlement will dictate the redress

I postulate that a perfectly acceptable redress for the owners harmed is
for Apple to provide a trade-in program of old phone to slightly larger
equivalent phone that doesn't have the same Apple battery problems.

Apple has enough money and customer loyalty to pull this off with aplomb.
Let's see if they take the true "courageous" decision.

I suspect they will because they will have to.

 

[harry newton]

He who is Jolly Roger said on 3 Jan 2018 06:25:53 GMT:

> Get some new material, old foolish troll.

Think about this question before you childishly retort.

Q: How much added *value* have you added to this adult conversation?

 

[harry newton]

He who is JF Mezei said on Wed, 3 Jan 2018 12:54:04 -0500:

It's been proven already that Apple wasn't aware of the low-temperature
issues so it's just yet another piece of the puzzle that clearly indicates
Apple doesn't test their devices thoroughly enough.

I know Apple became aware of battery problem for 6s by March/April 2016,
so barely 6 months after product launch. Staff were instructed to tell
customers that it was normal for thw 6a to shutdown in cold.

Except that it's not normal for a phone to shutdown in the cold.

I applaud you for being able to see facts.

You're not an Apple Apologist because your observations and opinions are
sane. Certainly no Apple Apologist could say what you just said.

IMHO, Apple spent more energy on how to hide the battery issues after they
were found, than on testing for them prior to launch.

By October, Apple Support was instructed to get customers to run the
remote diagnostics suite (with results sent back to Apple). And by end
of November, the battery recall was launched. (2016).

The Apple battery recall was the right thing to do, just as any other
manufacturer would recall a defective device.

That recall was premised on a bad batch of batteries, so the customers
were given expectation that new battery would permanently fix problem.
It didn't.

Again, you have the ability to see facts which appear to be invisible to
the Apple Apologists.

Apple was "incredibly specific" about the first recall issue but incredibly
vague about the 10.2.1 "fix". There's a reason for that since nothing
happens at Apple by accident.

Apple made a conscious decision to hide the facts, which will be proven in
court if the cases aren't settled out of court sooner.

Note that the "bad batch" did age much faster and exhibited the problem
within 5-6 months of product launch.

This is an interesting fact, where even Apple said there were multiple
problems that the customers found for them since Apple doesn't test their
devices long enough in the real world to find them on their own.

What Samsung implemented for batteries is sort of what Apple needs to
implement for their phones - which is a rigorous testing system that
simulates what would happen in a year.

I am pretty sure that engineering within Apple would have been aware
that the battery was undersized for the type of power loads of the 6s
once you factopr in reduced battery amperage capacity as it ages.

This is a good point, in that there isn't any engineering mystery here like
there was, initially, in the Samsung exploding battery recall ... so, it's
odd then that if Apple engineers knew what they were doing, then why did
Apple feel the need to *secretly* halve the performance of the CPU.

Do you think the engineers planned this all along?

And it
is likely that marketing overruled this for the sake of keeping the 6s
as thin as the 6, making it sturdier (back pocket bending gate) and
adding a bigger taptic engine.

Ummm....mmm... this makes sense. Nothing happens at Apple without MARKETING
knowing about it - as it's one of the most successfully marketed companies
on the planet.

It could very well be that, just like in the Volkswagen situation,
MARKETING decided the final specs, and engineering couldn't do it - so they
had to shoehorn in the secret halving of the CPU just to meet the spec.

I know that the handful of (155.7 x 80 x 7.4 mm) $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus
phones I bought for Christmas as gifts has a 3200 mAh battery, as does the
(159.7 x 78.1 x 7.6 mm) LG V20, while the (158.2 x 77.9 x 7.3 mm) iPhone 7
Plus has only a 2900 mAh battery (about 10% less capacity).

Maybe that tenth of a millimeter in thickness is what cost Apple customers
that 10% loss, out of the box, of their battery capacity?

<https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/LG-Stylo-3,Apple-iPhone-7-Plus,LG%20V20/phones/10337,9816,10202>

Remember, Apple said they were totally blindsided by the iPhone 6 problems,
which simply means they didn't test it because they were common.

They were not blindsighted. The bad batch simply made a problem they
would have been aware of surface well before they had predicted.

I agree that it's a technical problem to test for "battery aging", and I
note that Apple went to extreme lengths to try to imply that all batteries
aged as fast as the iPhone batteries aged.... but it's a fact that this
problem that they felt the need to secretly throttle cpu speeds to less
than half within a year of use happens only on Apple devices, and only on
some of them.

So, no matter when Apple figured it out, the fact remains that they decided
to "solve" their problem by secretly halving CPU speeds, which is what
they're being sued for (rightfully so).

What I expect them to do is:
1. Not come clean until they can settle the lawsuits out of court
2. Then the lawsuits will dictate a proper remedy to the customer

Hint: Charging the customer to replace a defective battery is a lousy
remedy by all accounts.

With the then expected replacement cycle of 2 years, they likely figured
that the average onwer might expect a couple of cold shutdowns during
the winter of year 1, and as phone would be replaced in fall of year 2,
wouldn't get the bad shutdowns on year 2.

I have to disagree with your replacement lifecycle of 2 years, as I get far
more than that out of my phones. So do plenty of other people.

It's only Apple customers who have been trained to think a battery lasts
only two years. Did you see the Samsung statement I published for example?
It's a completely different expectation of battery life cycles.

In practice, the Android phones that have non-removable batteries (Nexus 5
was given away and is still working fine and the Google Moto G is also
working just fine) I gave as gifts years ago are still going strong.

My observation is that it seems only Apple customers feel that a battery
needs to be replaced after only two years of use. It's like saying a car
needs to be replaced after only two years of use. The perception works to
the manufacturer's advantage only.

> Suspect they underestimated how soon the problem would surface.

Like Volkswagon, they hit upon the "elegant" solution, but it was so
elegant, and cheap, that they had to do it secretly.

BTW, one possible solution is similar to electric cars:
Put a heater in/under the battery.

I think Apple knows all the solutions where they took the "elegant"
(secret) way out.

Now that the cat is out of the bag, I hope they just design the phones for
the batteries and vice versa. It's ridiculous that only Apple phones are
2-year replacement items. It's like having cars being replaced every two
years. It's wasteful.

 

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-03, harry newton <harry@at.invalid> wrote:

Blah blah blah blah blah Apple Apologist, blah blah blah blah

Get some new material, old fool.

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[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-03, harry newton <harry@at.invalid> wrote:

He who is Jolly Roger said on 3 Jan 2018 06:25:53 GMT:

Get some new material, old foolish troll.

Think about

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

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[rickman]

Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 5:05 PM:

On 2018-01-03, harry newton <harry@at.invalid> wrote:
He who is Jolly Roger said on 3 Jan 2018 06:25:53 GMT:

Get some new material, old foolish troll.

Think about

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

I think we can see who the troll is. Anyone who o feels the need to post
four times complaining about someone being a troll *is* a troll.

--

Rick C

Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998

 

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-03, rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 5:05 PM:
On 2018-01-03, harry newton <harry@at.invalid> wrote:
He who is Jolly Roger said on 3 Jan 2018 06:25:53 GMT:

Get some new material, old foolish troll.

Think about

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

I think we can see who the troll is. Anyone who o feels the need to post
four times complaining about someone being a troll *is* a troll.

"Gosh, I KNOW, right? And anyone who calls out a racist for being a
racist *is* racist, y'all!"

Bullshit reasoning. The asshole currently known as "Harry Newton" has
been trolling the Apple news groups and belittling complete strangers in
them literally for hours a day for years now. He constantly changes his
name to avoid kill filters and pollutes the otherwise peaceful Apple
news groups with lame trolls filled with lies and misguided opinions.
Here's an incomplete list (and counting) of his names:

Paul B. Andersen, Adair Bordon, Liam O'Connor, Juan Camilo Blanco,
Alphonse Arnaud, Danny D., Vinny Perado, Whitney Ryan, Tony Cito, Adam
H. Kerman, Werner Obermeier, Steven Bornfeld, Winston_Smith, Mitch
Kaufmann, Paul M. Cook, E. Robinson, Alice J., P. Ng, Tam Nguyen, VPN
user, Joe Clock, Marob Katon, Chris Rangoon, AArdvarks, Conradt, Gustl
Hoffmann, Henry Jones, Tatsuki Takahashi, AL, Horace Algier, Karl
Schultz, Arthur Conan Doyle, Algeria Horan, Horace Algier, Raymond
Spruance III, Martin Chuzzlewit II, John Harmon, Yanis Bernard, Stijn De
Jong, Abe Swanson, Misha Vasiliev, Tomos Davies, Chaya Eve, Lionel
Muller, Roy Tremblay, Frank S, Chaya Eve, Blake Snyder, harry newton,
Harold Newton

Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass
trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the
troll. Good work, there, junior!

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[rickman]

Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 6:15 PM:

Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass
trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the
troll. Good work, there, junior!

No, I'm just calling it like I see it. You jumped into a reasonable
conversation making five (not four, my mistake) posts complaining about
troll behavior without indicating what was "trollish". Now you want to
argue about your trollish behavior and call me names. You are currently the
problem, not a cure. Why don't you stop being a troll and we can let the
conversation continue?

--

Rick C

Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998

 

[Savageduck]

On Jan 3, 2018, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article <fb56fkF54akU1@mid.individual.net&gt:

On 2018-01-03, rickman<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 5:05 PM:
On 2018-01-03, harry newton<harry@at.invalid> wrote:
He who is Jolly Roger said on 3 Jan 2018 06:25:53 GMT:

Get some new material, old foolish troll.

Think about

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

I think we can see who the troll is. Anyone who o feels the need to post
four times complaining about someone being a troll *is* a troll.

"Gosh, I KNOW, right? And anyone who calls out a racist for being a
racist *is* racist, y'all!"

Bullshit reasoning. The asshole currently known as "Harry Newton" has
been trolling the Apple news groups and belittling complete strangers in
them literally for hours a day for years now. He constantly changes his
name to avoid kill filters and pollutes the otherwise peaceful Apple
news groups with lame trolls filled with lies and misguided opinions.
Here's an incomplete list (and counting) of his names:

Paul B. Andersen, Adair Bordon, Liam O'Connor, Juan Camilo Blanco,
Alphonse Arnaud, Danny D., Vinny Perado, Whitney Ryan, Tony Cito, Adam
H. Kerman, Werner Obermeier, Steven Bornfeld, Winston_Smith, Mitch
Kaufmann, Paul M. Cook, E. Robinson, Alice J., P. Ng, Tam Nguyen, VPN
user, Joe Clock, Marob Katon, Chris Rangoon, AArdvarks, Conradt, Gustl
Hoffmann, Henry Jones, Tatsuki Takahashi, AL, Horace Algier, Karl
Schultz, Arthur Conan Doyle, Algeria Horan, Horace Algier, Raymond
Spruance III, Martin Chuzzlewit II, John Harmon, Yanis Bernard, Stijn De
Jong, Abe Swanson, Misha Vasiliev, Tomos Davies, Chaya Eve, Lionel
Muller, Roy Tremblay, Frank S, Chaya Eve, Blake Snyder, harry newton,
Harold Newton

Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass
trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the
troll. Good work, there, junior!

Also, the cross posts to unrelated groups, and groups where he anticipates
some sort of support, and/or validation, are a pretty good clue as to the
trollish nature of posts from the Santa Clara nymshifter.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 1/3/18 5:19 PM, rickman wrote:

No, I'm just calling it like I see it.  You jumped into a
reasonable conversation

There has been nothing reasonable about this conversation.
It's been 100% Harry against the world.
And anyone that even slightly disagrees with him is called
a variety of names.



--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[Savageduck]

On Jan 3, 2018, rickman wrote
(in article <p2joea$37m$3@dont-email.me&gt:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 6:15 PM:

Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass
trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the
troll. Good work, there, junior!

No, I'm just calling it like I see it. You jumped into a reasonable
conversation making five (not four, my mistake) posts complaining about
troll behavior without indicating what was "trollish". Now you want to
argue about your trollish behavior and call me names. You are currently the
problem, not a cure. Why don't you stop being a troll and we can let the
conversation continue?

The source of the troll is the OP not JR, and guess who the OP is in this
thread. None other than the nymshifting troll from Santa Clara County. He
provides nothing constructive, just his never ending anti-Apple posts. I for
one have decided to not respond to him, particularly given the toxicity, and
of his posts to the Apple NGs.

Recently I have responded to one of his posts to r.p.d. which appeared to be
benign, and where he had used yet another nymshift. I did not believe that
particular post was a troll, but one which sought an answer to a legitimate
question.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

 

[nospam]

In article <p2joea$37m$3@dont-email.me>, rickman
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass
trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the
troll. Good work, there, junior!

No, I'm just calling it like I see it. You jumped into a reasonable
conversation

there is no reasonable conversation with 'harry' or whatever other nym
he's using.

 

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-03, rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 6:15 PM:

Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass
trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the
troll. Good work, there, junior!

No, I'm just calling it like I see it. You jumped into a reasonable
conversation

On the contrary, your vaunted so-called "reasonable discussion" is part
of a campaign of pure troll posts about iOS throttling functionality
that was initially cross-posted to irrelevant newsgroups
(sci.electronics.repair, and android) by a well-known nym-shifting
Apple-hating troll with a LONG track record in the Apple newsgroups of
attacking complete strangers merely because they call him out on his
lies. Either you are unaware of this, or you are actively ignoring it.
Either way, you're wrong.

> making five (not four, my mistake) posts

Post counts for this thread (at the moment):

Harry: 16 (Under two different nyms, at that.)
Others: 15
Me: 4 (Oh my! This is a problem!)

complaining about troll behavior without indicating what was
"trollish"

Others have done a sufficient job of both debunking his lies and calling
out his trolls in this thread, but I guess they don't count for you. Or
do you not read anyone's posts but mine and "Harry's"?

> Now you want to argue about your trollish behavior and call me names.

If "junior" offends you, I'm sorry but you're a snowflake. Grow a
thicker skin. It was meant to convey you are new to the Apple news
groups; and I have little doubt you are since I don't recall seeing your
posts here in many years. If you think "junior" is bad, you should see
what the troll currently known as "Harry" has to say about the regulars
in the Apple news groups that call him out on his lies. It'll no doubt
blow your fragile mind. ; )

> You are currently the problem

Projection. Stop supporting established trolls.

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JR

 

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-03, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2018, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article <fb56fkF54akU1@mid.individual.net&gt:
On 2018-01-03, rickman<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I think we can see who the troll is. Anyone who o feels the need to
post four times complaining about someone being a troll *is* a
troll.

"Gosh, I KNOW, right? And anyone who calls out a racist for being a
racist *is* racist, y'all!"

Bullshit reasoning. The asshole currently known as "Harry Newton" has
been trolling the Apple news groups and belittling complete strangers
in them literally for hours a day for years now. He constantly
changes his name to avoid kill filters and pollutes the otherwise
peaceful Apple news groups with lame trolls filled with lies and
misguided opinions. Here's an incomplete list (and counting) of his
names:

Paul B. Andersen, Adair Bordon, Liam O'Connor, Juan Camilo Blanco,
Alphonse Arnaud, Danny D., Vinny Perado, Whitney Ryan, Tony Cito,
Adam H. Kerman, Werner Obermeier, Steven Bornfeld, Winston_Smith,
Mitch Kaufmann, Paul M. Cook, E. Robinson, Alice J., P. Ng, Tam
Nguyen, VPN user, Joe Clock, Marob Katon, Chris Rangoon, AArdvarks,
Conradt, Gustl Hoffmann, Henry Jones, Tatsuki Takahashi, AL, Horace
Algier, Karl Schultz, Arthur Conan Doyle, Algeria Horan, Horace
Algier, Raymond Spruance III, Martin Chuzzlewit II, John Harmon,
Yanis Bernard, Stijn De Jong, Abe Swanson, Misha Vasiliev, Tomos
Davies, Chaya Eve, Lionel Muller, Roy Tremblay, Frank S, Chaya Eve,
Blake Snyder, harry newton, Harold Newton

Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass
trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the
troll. Good work, there, junior!

Also, the cross posts to unrelated groups, and groups where he
anticipates some sort of support, and/or validation, are a pretty good
clue as to the trollish nature of posts from the Santa Clara
nymshifter.

"...but no let's ignore all of that and instead concentrate on why the
regulars in the Apple newsgroups are *complaining* about his trolling.
Clearly *that* is the problem here!"

Fucking idiot.

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JR

 

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-03, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2018, rickman wrote
(in article <p2joea$37m$3@dont-email.me&gt:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 6:15 PM:

Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass
trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support
the troll. Good work, there, junior!

No, I'm just calling it like I see it. You jumped into a reasonable
conversation making five (not four, my mistake) posts complaining
about troll behavior without indicating what was "trollish". Now you
want to argue about your trollish behavior and call me names. You are
currently the problem, not a cure. Why don't you stop being a troll
and we can let the conversation continue?

The source of the troll is the OP not JR, and guess who the OP is in
this thread. None other than the nymshifting troll from Santa Clara
County. He provides nothing constructive, just his never ending
anti-Apple posts. I for one have decided to not respond to him,
particularly given the toxicity, and of his posts to the Apple NGs.

I should too, and I often refrain, but sometimes he steps in such a huge
pile of his own shit, it's hard not to laugh.

Recently I have responded to one of his posts to r.p.d. which appeared
to be benign, and where he had used yet another nymshift. I did not
believe that particular post was a troll, but one which sought an
answer to a legitimate question.

He's *never* posted in the Apple newsgroups without a clear agenda
against the people in those newsgroups.

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[Savageduck]

On Jan 3, 2018, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article <fb58v5F5eu4U3@mid.individual.net&gt:

On 2018-01-03, Savageduck<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
On Jan 3, 2018, rickman wrote
(in article <p2joea$37m$3@dont-email.me&gt:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 6:15 PM:

Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass
trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support
the troll. Good work, there, junior!

No, I'm just calling it like I see it. You jumped into a reasonable
conversation making five (not four, my mistake) posts complaining
about troll behavior without indicating what was "trollish". Now you
want to argue about your trollish behavior and call me names. You are
currently the problem, not a cure. Why don't you stop being a troll
and we can let the conversation continue?

The source of the troll is the OP not JR, and guess who the OP is in
this thread. None other than the nymshifting troll from Santa Clara
County. He provides nothing constructive, just his never ending
anti-Apple posts. I for one have decided to not respond to him,
particularly given the toxicity, and of his posts to the Apple NGs.

I should too, and I often refrain, but sometimes he steps in such a huge
pile of his own shit, it's hard not to laugh.

Recently I have responded to one of his posts to r.p.d. which appeared
to be benign, and where he had used yet another nymshift. I did not
believe that particular post was a troll, but one which sought an
answer to a legitimate question.

He's *never* posted in the Apple newsgroups without a clear agenda
against the people in those newsgroups.

Agreed.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

Rick:

Some people (you, for instance) need a clue-stick liberally applied before they *get* it. The likes of Jimmy Neutron are not common, but they are much like Kudzu or Crown Vetch - once rooted, very difficult to expunge, and highly destructive to native life. Accordingly, a certain amount of vigilance is necessary as there are always innocents out there ready to be victimized. The proper approach is to salt the earth around him such that he cannot set those roots. There is no defending such - I suggest you look up the fable of the fox and the scorpion. It is Newton/Neutron's nature to be a troll, and nothing you can do will change that nature. Don't feed it, don't support or defend it, just burn the roots, salt the earth, and move on. And if you cannot do even that much, stay the hell out of the way of those *with* the flame-throwers and salt-spreaders.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[rickman]

Savageduck wrote on 1/3/2018 6:43 PM:

On Jan 3, 2018, rickman wrote
(in article <p2joea$37m$3@dont-email.me&gt:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 6:15 PM:

Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass
trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the
troll. Good work, there, junior!

No, I'm just calling it like I see it. You jumped into a reasonable
conversation making five (not four, my mistake) posts complaining about
troll behavior without indicating what was "trollish". Now you want to
argue about your trollish behavior and call me names. You are currently the
problem, not a cure. Why don't you stop being a troll and we can let the
conversation continue?

The source of the troll is the OP not JR, and guess who the OP is in this
thread. None other than the nymshifting troll from Santa Clara County. He
provides nothing constructive, just his never ending anti-Apple posts. I for
one have decided to not respond to him, particularly given the toxicity, and
of his posts to the Apple NGs.

Recently I have responded to one of his posts to r.p.d. which appeared to be
benign, and where he had used yet another nymshift. I did not believe that
particular post was a troll, but one which sought an answer to a legitimate
question.

I don't know about toxicity, but the best way to handle trolls is to ignore
them. I will be ignoring Roger.

--

Rick C

Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

Rick:

Yet another application of the Clue Stick is required.

Ignoring known trolls works for those who know of and understand the troll. But that emphatically does not work when the troll attempts to root in fresh ground. And, there is always fresh ground. Glad that you will be ignoring things - that will let those who are willing to warn the unwary get on with it, without the likes of you attempting to validate the troll.

Are you on the spectrum?

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[rickman]

Savageduck wrote on 1/3/2018 6:26 PM:

On Jan 3, 2018, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article <fb56fkF54akU1@mid.individual.net&gt:

On 2018-01-03, rickman<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote on 1/3/2018 5:05 PM:
On 2018-01-03, harry newton<harry@at.invalid> wrote:
He who is Jolly Roger said on 3 Jan 2018 06:25:53 GMT:

Get some new material, old foolish troll.

Think about

Troll, troll, troll your boat...

I think we can see who the troll is. Anyone who o feels the need to post
four times complaining about someone being a troll *is* a troll.

"Gosh, I KNOW, right? And anyone who calls out a racist for being a
racist *is* racist, y'all!"

Bullshit reasoning. The asshole currently known as "Harry Newton" has
been trolling the Apple news groups and belittling complete strangers in
them literally for hours a day for years now. He constantly changes his
name to avoid kill filters and pollutes the otherwise peaceful Apple
news groups with lame trolls filled with lies and misguided opinions.
Here's an incomplete list (and counting) of his names:

Paul B. Andersen, Adair Bordon, Liam O'Connor, Juan Camilo Blanco,
Alphonse Arnaud, Danny D., Vinny Perado, Whitney Ryan, Tony Cito, Adam
H. Kerman, Werner Obermeier, Steven Bornfeld, Winston_Smith, Mitch
Kaufmann, Paul M. Cook, E. Robinson, Alice J., P. Ng, Tam Nguyen, VPN
user, Joe Clock, Marob Katon, Chris Rangoon, AArdvarks, Conradt, Gustl
Hoffmann, Henry Jones, Tatsuki Takahashi, AL, Horace Algier, Karl
Schultz, Arthur Conan Doyle, Algeria Horan, Horace Algier, Raymond
Spruance III, Martin Chuzzlewit II, John Harmon, Yanis Bernard, Stijn De
Jong, Abe Swanson, Misha Vasiliev, Tomos Davies, Chaya Eve, Lionel
Muller, Roy Tremblay, Frank S, Chaya Eve, Blake Snyder, harry newton,
Harold Newton

Multiple regulars in these news groups call him out on his lame-ass
trolls. But little, old *you* have decided to step in and support the
troll. Good work, there, junior!

Also, the cross posts to unrelated groups, and groups where he anticipates
some sort of support, and/or validation, are a pretty good clue as to the
trollish nature of posts from the Santa Clara nymshifter.

This isn't my first rodeo. I've seen a number of ham groups destroyed by
this sort of behavior. One person is accused of being a troll, but they
aren't really a problem. They make their posts and people either read them
or ignore them. The problem arises when vigilantes try to "deal" with the
problem by turning the topic from the original to being about the accused
troll. Instead of solving anything, they make the problem 10 times worse.

That is what's going on here. I was reading the thread and considering the
issues in the discussion until someone threw a turd in the punch bowl. The
presence of the "enforcers" is more disruptive than the original thread. It
should be very easy to killfile the offender and/or the entire thread.

Oh, but then someone on the Internet would be wrong without knowing it!

https://xkcd.com/386/

I've killfiled JR, we'll see if the problem improves.

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Rick C

Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998