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George Herold
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On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 5:39:19 PM UTC-4, pcdh...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:59:39 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
But Phil, it's quite simple don't you see? The more paper we pretend
to have printed, the more food and products everyone will have, and
the less we'll all have to work producing them.
This ain't rocket surgery.
Grins,
James
On 2020-04-19 19:28, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:20:10 -0400, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Only if they aren't doing the same thing themselves. Nobody paid back
money owed to Tsarist Russia after 1917, for instance.
But there *are* other countries doing the same thing, so a dollar
collapse would most likely just be the first in a row of falling dominos.
~This is a favourite topic of the regulars over at Zerohedge. They call
it the "Great Reset" and a pretty far-sighted bunch of observers they
are, too.
What I mean is that if everybody punishes China, it won't be the same as
a default.
Modern monetary theory (MMT) is completely topsy-turvy in classical
econonics terms.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
But Phil, it's quite simple don't you see? The more paper we pretend
to have printed, the more food and products everyone will have, and
the less we'll all have to work producing them.
This ain't rocket surgery.
Grins,
James
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Rob
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Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
Global warming is not caused by actual CO2 emission, it is caused by
accumulated CO2 emitted over the time we burned large amounts of fossil
fuels.
Reduction in current emissions will not stop global warming, it will only
stop it going faster all the time.
Hi,
with aviation at a near standstill, vastly reduced road traffic, retail businesses & whole industries in hibernation - CO2 production has dropped amazingly.
Global warming is not caused by actual CO2 emission, it is caused by
accumulated CO2 emitted over the time we burned large amounts of fossil
fuels.
Reduction in current emissions will not stop global warming, it will only
stop it going faster all the time.
P
Phil Allison
Guest
Rob wrote:
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** So you missed the smiley after my name ?
The heading was an obvious joke.
Well, obvious to normal people at least.
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with aviation at a near standstill, vastly reduced road traffic, retail businesses & whole industries in hibernation - CO2 production has dropped amazingly.
Global warming is not caused by actual CO2 emission, it is caused by
accumulated CO2 emitted over the time we burned large amounts of fossil
fuels.
Reduction in current emissions will not stop global warming, it will only
stop it going faster all the time.
** So you missed the smiley after my name ?
The heading was an obvious joke.
Well, obvious to normal people at least.
J
John Robertson
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On 2020/04/20 10:03 a.m., Rob wrote:
Not necessarily:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/06/aviation-s-dirty-secret-airplane-contrails-are-surprisingly-potent-cause-global-warming#
Much fewer or no contrails? Has the planet cooled by any measurable amount?
http://www.drroyspencer.com/
Not evident so far, but with a lot more data the question of contrails
possibly being an effect may be answered finally.
John
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
with aviation at a near standstill, vastly reduced road traffic, retail businesses & whole industries in hibernation - CO2 production has dropped amazingly.
Global warming is not caused by actual CO2 emission, it is caused by
accumulated CO2 emitted over the time we burned large amounts of fossil
fuels.
Reduction in current emissions will not stop global warming, it will only
stop it going faster all the time.
Not necessarily:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/06/aviation-s-dirty-secret-airplane-contrails-are-surprisingly-potent-cause-global-warming#
Much fewer or no contrails? Has the planet cooled by any measurable amount?
http://www.drroyspencer.com/
Not evident so far, but with a lot more data the question of contrails
possibly being an effect may be answered finally.
John
B
bitrex
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On 4/20/2020 8:43 PM, John Robertson wrote:
There are enough contrails in regular times to cause a measurable amount
of cooling as well; they spread out and reflect sunlight. The increase
in the difference between night and day temperatures averaged over the
CONUS for the period all air traffic was grounded after 9/11 was 2
degrees F, the largest short-term variational spike in 30 years.
On 2020/04/20 10:03 a.m., Rob wrote:
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
with aviation at a near standstill, vastly reduced road traffic,
retail businesses & whole industries in hibernation - CO2 production
has dropped amazingly.
Global warming is not caused by actual CO2 emission, it is caused by
accumulated CO2 emitted over the time we burned large amounts of fossil
fuels.
Reduction in current emissions will not stop global warming, it will only
stop it going faster all the time.
Not necessarily:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/06/aviation-s-dirty-secret-airplane-contrails-are-surprisingly-potent-cause-global-warming#
Much fewer or no contrails? Has the planet cooled by any measurable amount?
http://www.drroyspencer.com/
Not evident so far, but with a lot more data the question of contrails
possibly being an effect may be answered finally.
John
There are enough contrails in regular times to cause a measurable amount
of cooling as well; they spread out and reflect sunlight. The increase
in the difference between night and day temperatures averaged over the
CONUS for the period all air traffic was grounded after 9/11 was 2
degrees F, the largest short-term variational spike in 30 years.
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Ricky C
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On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
What was the cause of the spike 30 years earlier?
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There are enough contrails in regular times to cause a measurable amount
of cooling as well; they spread out and reflect sunlight. The increase
in the difference between night and day temperatures averaged over the
CONUS for the period all air traffic was grounded after 9/11 was 2
degrees F, the largest short-term variational spike in 30 years.
What was the cause of the spike 30 years earlier?
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Jasen Betts
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On 2020-04-21, Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
Mt St Helens perhaps?
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Jasen.
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
There are enough contrails in regular times to cause a measurable amount
of cooling as well; they spread out and reflect sunlight. The increase
in the difference between night and day temperatures averaged over the
CONUS for the period all air traffic was grounded after 9/11 was 2
degrees F, the largest short-term variational spike in 30 years.
What was the cause of the spike 30 years earlier?
Mt St Helens perhaps?
--
Jasen.
Guest
Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in
news:r7lqpn$qtd$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org:
SITE!
We can detect earth tremors on the other side othe the planet and
detected this volcano easily, of course.
HOWEVER, it would have barely made a blip in this gas/temperature
regard. And I am sure 9/11 made no dent either.
The word for today is negligible. And you never said whether it
was 2 degrees up or down.
Pretty sure it only affected local temps mostly easterly from the
site, the most prevailing wind direction. There have been far bigger
explosions and long term "giant bonfires" that made no blip, like in
Texas, for example. Burned for days. HUGE!
So 9/11? I doubt it seriously. The Texas incidents, and there
have been many... not a blip. Krakatoa, little to none.
Mt ST Helens, maybe a tiny bit, but... naaah.
Now the KT layer event... the Yucatan impact... That one made
some change.
news:r7lqpn$qtd$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org:
On 2020-04-21, Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
There are enough contrails in regular times to cause a
measurable amount of cooling as well; they spread out and
reflect sunlight. The increase in the difference between night
and day temperatures averaged over the CONUS for the period all
air traffic was grounded after 9/11 was 2 degrees F, the largest
short-term variational spike in 30 years.
SITE!
What was the cause of the spike 30 years earlier?
Mt St Helens perhaps?
We can detect earth tremors on the other side othe the planet and
detected this volcano easily, of course.
HOWEVER, it would have barely made a blip in this gas/temperature
regard. And I am sure 9/11 made no dent either.
The word for today is negligible. And you never said whether it
was 2 degrees up or down.
Pretty sure it only affected local temps mostly easterly from the
site, the most prevailing wind direction. There have been far bigger
explosions and long term "giant bonfires" that made no blip, like in
Texas, for example. Burned for days. HUGE!
So 9/11? I doubt it seriously. The Texas incidents, and there
have been many... not a blip. Krakatoa, little to none.
Mt ST Helens, maybe a tiny bit, but... naaah.
Now the KT layer event... the Yucatan impact... That one made
some change.
B
bitrex
Guest
On 4/21/2020 1:14 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
<https://news.psu.edu/story/361041/2015/06/18/research/jet-contrails-affect-surface-temperatures>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer>
"In July and August, lake and river ice was observed as far south as
northwestern Pennsylvania. Frost was reported as far south as Virginia
on August 20 and 21.[24] Rapid, dramatic temperature swings were common,
with temperatures sometimes reverting from normal or above-normal summer
temperatures as high as 95 °F (35 °C) to near-freezing within hours."
"A Norfolk, Virginia newspaper reported:
It is now the middle of July, and we have not yet had what could
properly be called summer. Easterly winds have prevailed for nearly
three months past ... the sun during that time has generally been
obscured and the sky overcast with clouds; the air has been damp and
uncomfortable, and frequently so chilling as to render the fireside a
desirable retreat."
Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in
news:r7lqpn$qtd$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org:
On 2020-04-21, Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
There are enough contrails in regular times to cause a
measurable amount of cooling as well; they spread out and
reflect sunlight. The increase in the difference between night
and day temperatures averaged over the CONUS for the period all
air traffic was grounded after 9/11 was 2 degrees F, the largest
short-term variational spike in 30 years.
SITE!
<https://news.psu.edu/story/361041/2015/06/18/research/jet-contrails-affect-surface-temperatures>
What was the cause of the spike 30 years earlier?
Mt St Helens perhaps?
We can detect earth tremors on the other side othe the planet and
detected this volcano easily, of course.
HOWEVER, it would have barely made a blip in this gas/temperature
regard. And I am sure 9/11 made no dent either.
The word for today is negligible. And you never said whether it
was 2 degrees up or down.
Pretty sure it only affected local temps mostly easterly from the
site, the most prevailing wind direction. There have been far bigger
explosions and long term "giant bonfires" that made no blip, like in
Texas, for example. Burned for days. HUGE!
So 9/11? I doubt it seriously. The Texas incidents, and there
have been many... not a blip. Krakatoa, little to none.
Mt ST Helens, maybe a tiny bit, but... naaah.
Now the KT layer event... the Yucatan impact... That one made
some change.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer>
"In July and August, lake and river ice was observed as far south as
northwestern Pennsylvania. Frost was reported as far south as Virginia
on August 20 and 21.[24] Rapid, dramatic temperature swings were common,
with temperatures sometimes reverting from normal or above-normal summer
temperatures as high as 95 °F (35 °C) to near-freezing within hours."
"A Norfolk, Virginia newspaper reported:
It is now the middle of July, and we have not yet had what could
properly be called summer. Easterly winds have prevailed for nearly
three months past ... the sun during that time has generally been
obscured and the sky overcast with clouds; the air has been damp and
uncomfortable, and frequently so chilling as to render the fireside a
desirable retreat."
B
bitrex
Guest
On 4/21/2020 4:06 AM, bitrex wrote:
Mt. Tambora was one big bada-boom
On 4/21/2020 1:14 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in
news:r7lqpn$qtd$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org:
On 2020-04-21, Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
There are enough contrails in regular times to cause a
measurable amount of cooling as well; they spread out and
reflect sunlight. The increase in the difference between night
and day temperatures averaged over the CONUS for the period all
air traffic was grounded after 9/11 was 2 degrees F, the largest
short-term variational spike in 30 years.
  SITE!
https://news.psu.edu/story/361041/2015/06/18/research/jet-contrails-affect-surface-temperatures
What was the cause of the spike 30 years earlier?
Mt St Helens perhaps?
  We can detect earth tremors on the other side othe the planet and
detected this volcano easily, of course.
  HOWEVER, it would have barely made a blip in this gas/temperature
regard. And I am sure 9/11 made no dent either.
  The word for today is negligible. And you never said whether it
was 2 degrees up or down.
 Pretty sure it only affected local temps mostly easterly from the
site, the most prevailing wind direction. There have been far bigger
explosions and long term "giant bonfires" that made no blip, like in
Texas, for example. Burned for days. HUGE!
  So 9/11? I doubt it seriously. The Texas incidents, and there
have been many... not a blip. Krakatoa, little to none.
Mt ST Helens, maybe a tiny bit, but...  naaah.
  Now the KT layer event... the Yucatan impact... That one made
some change.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
"In July and August, lake and river ice was observed as far south as
northwestern Pennsylvania. Frost was reported as far south as Virginia
on August 20 and 21.[24] Rapid, dramatic temperature swings were common,
with temperatures sometimes reverting from normal or above-normal summer
temperatures as high as 95 °F (35 °C) to near-freezing within hours."
"A Norfolk, Virginia newspaper reported:
It is now the middle of July, and we have not yet had what could
properly be called summer. Easterly winds have prevailed for nearly
three months past ... the sun during that time has generally been
obscured and the sky overcast with clouds; the air has been damp and
uncomfortable, and frequently so chilling as to render the fireside a
desirable retreat."
Mt. Tambora was one big bada-boom
U
Uwe Bonnes
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John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:
has a great influence.
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Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
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I wonder if even with no contrail the increase humidity cause by the planesOn 2020/04/20 10:03 a.m., Rob wrote:
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Not necessarily:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/06/aviation-s-dirty-secret-airplane-contrails-are-surprisingly-potent-cause-global-warming#
has a great influence.
--
Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de
Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 1623569 ------- Fax. 06151 1623305 ---------