Any idea how to jury rig a dirty water pump to drain the las

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:56:12 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
<dannydiamico@gmail.com> wrote:

Any idea if this tear is easily fixable (or is the 30-foot length
now useless)?
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7714/17205232526_4fabba6c49_c.jpg

If the hose vinyl, RTV (silicon rubber) should work.
You may need a piece of vinyl to act as an overlapping patch.
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[Stormin Mormon]

On 4/22/2015 6:30 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:56:12 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
dannydiamico@gmail.com> wrote:

Any idea if this tear is easily fixable (or is the 30-foot length
now useless)?
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7714/17205232526_4fabba6c49_c.jpg

If the hose vinyl, RTV (silicon rubber) should work.
You may need a piece of vinyl to act as an overlapping patch.

I'd be thinking silicone caulk, followed by
gorilla tape, and then cable ties. Not sure
if that will work. That stuff is miserable to
patch.

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[Stormin Mormon]

On 4/22/2015 4:16 PM, Oren wrote:

For some people, the solution is to dig a sump for the pump.

True for some people. Not in this case, with a pool.

Is a green pool a kind of swimming pool? To drain the neighbor's
swimming pool, we turned a valve to "drain" and switched on the pump.

I'm so happy for you I cannot express myself.

Some swimming pools do have a bottom
drain that could work for what Danny D
is doing.

I'm also thrilled beyond description.
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[M Philbrook]

In article <mh7e6d$uda$2@dont-email.me>, dannydiamico@gmail.com says...

Have you ever dealt with a dirty water pump that just wouldn't
drain the last few inches? Is there a simple solution?

I bought a 1 HP Harbor Freight 69300 dirty water pump to drain
a green pool but it won't turn on at low water levels:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5458/17045005639_a6ee73cc98_c.jpg

Even with the obnoxious float switch manually set to permanent on,
the pump stops pumping with plenty of dirty water left to pump out:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7699/17230627861_6245741c9b_c.jpg

I'm currently shoveling the water into a garbage can and then
pumping it out from the garbage can:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8811/17023759327_4ff798a613_c.jpg

But, pumping at 50 gallons per minute, I have to constantly run
to the GCFI and pull the plug to shut it off before the garbage
can runs dry:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7642/17043416128_f6c37715ab_c.jpg

Currently I have a 2-inch pool vacuum hose connected to the
1.5-inch outlet (female NPT thread) in the steel body of the pump:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8805/17023759957_35d602a39d_z.jpg

But, I'd like to see if I can jury rig *something* (a rubber hose
perhaps?) to go on the *underside* unthreaded inlet of the pump:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5443/16610976993_e8ed88636b_z.jpg

What could I shove into that inlet which will allow the pump to
go shallower than the three or four or even five inches it seems
to currently stop at?

I have a few 1.5-inch NPT fittings which go on the *outlet* of
the stainless steel body:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7644/17023759797_46bc0500f9_z.jpg

The specs for the pump "say" it drains down to 1-3/8 inches:
http://www.harborfreight.com/1-hp-stainless-steel-submersible-dirty-water-pump-with-tethered-float-2910-gph-69300.html

But, the owners manual says it stops at 3 inches (which it seems to do):
http://manuals.harborfreight.com/manuals/69000-69999/69300.pdf

Have you ever dealt with a dirty water pump that just wouldn't
drain the last few inches? Is there a simple solution?

sure, keep it up and you're cavitate the pump and I don't think
you want to repeat that too often.

Rent yourself a Wet Vacuum with pump out for the final job, next time!
A pond cleaning vac could also remove the slugged from the bottom

Jamie

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:07:07 -0400, Stormin Mormon
<cayoung61@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 4/22/2015 6:30 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:56:12 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
dannydiamico@gmail.com> wrote:

Any idea if this tear is easily fixable (or is the 30-foot length
now useless)?
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7714/17205232526_4fabba6c49_c.jpg

If the hose vinyl, RTV (silicon rubber) should work.
You may need a piece of vinyl to act as an overlapping patch.

I'd be thinking silicone caulk, followed by
gorilla tape, and then cable ties.

You forgot the traditional baling wire layer.

I don't think silicone caulk will work. It's too thick and will not
stick to the vinyl. I was thinking of silicone glue, which is thinner
and more likely to stick, especially if the vinyl hose is roughed up a
little with some sandpaper. It has to be some kind of rubberish
adhesive because the glue needs to be flexible.
<http://www.homedepot.com/p/Liquid-Nails-2-5-oz-Clear-Small-Projects-Silicone-Adhesive-LN-207/202203979>

If desperate, there's always Awesome Goo:
<http://www.awesomegoo.com>
It's not very flexible, but it sure sticks to anything.

If you really want it done right, start with a needle and thread, and
sew the edges together. Some reinforcing tape along the edges will
help prevent tears. I've done HVAC ducting repairs that way. Then
add the silicone glue, duct tape, baling wire, cable ties, etc.

Not sure
if that will work. That stuff is miserable to
patch.

Yep, possibly because it has a layer of protective grease or slime on
the surface. Sandpaper and solvent cleaner should take care of that.

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:32:00 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

Ummm.... duz this pool have a drain? If so, does your HF sump pump
fit into the drain? If yes, then just lower the pump into the drain
and you'll get more than 3" of of water level.

OK, no drain. One more idea. Find a blue tarp or equivalent and
slide it UNDER the water and debris. You might need to shovel the
debris onto the tarp, but the water should just flow over the tarp.
Tie ropes to the sides and corners (usually through eyelets), and
carefully lift straight up. You'll loose some water but you should be
able to lift most of the yuck out of the mosquito hatchery. If you
can't lift it all the way out of the pool, just dump it into the
plastic trash can, and then try to lift the trash can[1].

[1] 8.3 lbs/gallon * 30 gallon trash can = 249 lbs.
Have an engine hoist handy.

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[Oren]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:08:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon
<cayoung61@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 4/22/2015 4:16 PM, Oren wrote:

For some people, the solution is to dig a sump for the pump.

True for some people. Not in this case, with a pool.

Is a green pool a kind of swimming pool? To drain the neighbor's
swimming pool, we turned a valve to "drain" and switched on the pump.

I'm so happy for you I cannot express myself.


Some swimming pools do have a bottom
drain that could work for what Danny D
is doing.

Even a drill mount pump

"Drill Powered Pump professional drill powered pump tool.
Ideal for use with clearing blocked sinks, toilets, dishwashers, water
heaters, aquariums, pools... and the list could go on."

<http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/drill-pump>

>I'm also thrilled beyond description.

I'm glad you're glad!
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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 08:48:23 -0700, Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote:

Even a drill mount pump

"Drill Powered Pump professional drill powered pump tool.
Ideal for use with clearing blocked sinks, toilets, dishwashers, water
heaters, aquariums, pools... and the list could go on."

http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/drill-pump

Yech. I had to drain a small swamp under a rental house when the
plumbing blew. I had a drill pump and never used it. The problem is
that they have no volumetric capacity. My guess is about 1/2 gallon
per minute at best. It also can't handle much of a head. Lifting
even a few gallons in a 3/4" garden hose up out of a pool is going to
take more than what a drill pump can supply. After about an hour of
dribbling water and endless clogging, I gave up, rented a proper trash
pump, and did the job in a few minutes. The drill pump went into the
recycling pile.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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[Oren]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:35:27 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 08:48:23 -0700, Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote:

Even a drill mount pump

"Drill Powered Pump professional drill powered pump tool.
Ideal for use with clearing blocked sinks, toilets, dishwashers, water
heaters, aquariums, pools... and the list could go on."

http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/drill-pump

Yech. I had to drain a small swamp under a rental house when the
plumbing blew. I had a drill pump and never used it. The problem is
that they have no volumetric capacity. My guess is about 1/2 gallon
per minute at best. It also can't handle much of a head. Lifting
even a few gallons in a 3/4" garden hose up out of a pool is going to
take more than what a drill pump can supply. After about an hour of
dribbling water and endless clogging, I gave up, rented a proper trash
pump, and did the job in a few minutes. The drill pump went into the
recycling pile.

Makes sense. Strike the drill pump idea.

 

[Stormin Mormon]

On 4/23/2015 12:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Yech. I had to drain a small swamp under a rental house when the
plumbing blew. I had a drill pump and never used it. The problem is
that they have no volumetric capacity. My guess is about 1/2 gallon
per minute at best. It also can't handle much of a head. Lifting
even a few gallons in a 3/4" garden hose up out of a pool is going to
take more than what a drill pump can supply. After about an hour of
dribbling water and endless clogging, I gave up, rented a proper trash
pump, and did the job in a few minutes. The drill pump went into the
recycling pile.

When my parents house cellar flooded, Dad tried a
drill pump he'd got from hardware store. Much the
same experience, no GMPM and no PSI to speak of.

Danny D could use drill pump to fill the trash can
or Rubbermaid where the trash pump is. Every now
and agint he trash pump would cycle.

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[Oren]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:02:25 -0400, Stormin Mormon
<cayoung61@hotmail.com> wrote:

Danny D could use drill pump to fill the trash can
or Rubbermaid where the trash pump is. Every now
and agint he trash pump would cycle.

I thought the same after mentioning the drill pump.

Sure beats a shovel to fill a homer bucket. Moving 5 gallons at a
time.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:10:09 -0700, Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote:

Sure beats a shovel to fill a homer bucket. Moving 5 gallons at a
time.

I'll vote for the shovel. However, it should be a show shovel as I've
been repeatedly recommending. Each shovel full holds about 1/2 gallon
or 4 lbs of water, which is about right. Any more would be too heavy.
Any less, too much shoveling. The best part is that it picks up both
the water and the green slime on the bottom of the pool at the same
time. No clogs, no jammed pump, and ready to compost in the trash
barrel.

Oops. No wonder I couldn't find my shovel on the Ace web pile. It's
not a snow shovel, but rather a "grain scoop":
<http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3495129>

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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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[J Burns]

On 4/22/15 8:26 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 4/22/2015 2:13 AM, Danny D. wrote:

Have you ever dealt with a dirty water pump that just wouldn't
drain the last few inches? Is there a simple solution?


I modified a HF fountain pump by taping off the
sides, so it would draw closer to the floor of
the wet area. Wonder if you can modify this pump?

The shovel routine sounds a bit like work. Others
suggested a shop vac. When the shop vac is full,
you can put the pump into the shop vac canister.

Instead of running for the GFCI unplug, just let
the float down. Might want to put the pump in a
Rubbermaid with enough room for the float to move,
while you shovel water into the 18 gallon Rubbermaid.

http://www.amazon.com/Wayne-Systems-VIP50-Submersible-Utility/dp/B000CQ6CU4/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1429875701&sr=8-10&keywords=trash+pump

Needs only 1/8". 2500gph through a garden hose.

 

[Stormin Mormon]

On 4/24/2015 1:59 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:10:09 -0700, Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote:

Sure beats a shovel to fill a homer bucket. Moving 5 gallons at a
time.

I'll vote for the shovel. However, it should be a show shovel as I've
been repeatedly recommending. Each shovel full holds about 1/2 gallon
or 4 lbs of water, which is about right. Any more would be too heavy.
Any less, too much shoveling. The best part is that it picks up both
the water and the green slime on the bottom of the pool at the same
time. No clogs, no jammed pump, and ready to compost in the trash
barrel.

Oops. No wonder I couldn't find my shovel on the Ace web pile. It's
not a snow shovel, but rather a "grain scoop":
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3495129

The snow shovels found in NYS won't hold a half
gal of water:

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120720061040/clubpenguin/images/3/3b/SnowShovel.png

The grain scoop might be handy for a list of jobs.

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[Bob F]

J Burns wrote:

On 4/22/15 8:26 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/22/2015 2:13 AM, Danny D. wrote:

Have you ever dealt with a dirty water pump that just wouldn't
drain the last few inches? Is there a simple solution?


I modified a HF fountain pump by taping off the
sides, so it would draw closer to the floor of
the wet area. Wonder if you can modify this pump?

The shovel routine sounds a bit like work. Others
suggested a shop vac. When the shop vac is full,
you can put the pump into the shop vac canister.

Instead of running for the GFCI unplug, just let
the float down. Might want to put the pump in a
Rubbermaid with enough room for the float to move,
while you shovel water into the 18 gallon Rubbermaid.

http://www.amazon.com/Wayne-Systems-VIP50-Submersible-Utility/dp/B000CQ6CU4/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1429875701&sr=8-10&keywords=trash+pump

Needs only 1/8". 2500gph through a garden hose.

"Minimum water level to operate pump is 2 5/8-inch"

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 08:07:13 -0400, Stormin Mormon
<cayoung61@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 4/24/2015 1:59 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Oops. No wonder I couldn't find my shovel on the Ace web pile. It's
not a snow shovel, but rather a "grain scoop":
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3495129

The snow shovels found in NYS won't hold a half
gal of water:
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120720061040/clubpenguin/images/3/3b/SnowShovel.png

We don't have much snow (or water) in California, so we don't know
what a proper snow shovel looks like. However, we do have plenty of
swimming pools and are quite experienced in using a plastic shovel to
remove debris from the bottom. When I managed my father's apartment
building, fishing everything from broken glass to animal carcasses out
of the pool was a regular task. (Note: shovel does not work on
furniture tossed into the pool during parties).

The half gallon capacity is my guess(tm), and probably wrong. If
anyone is interested, I can measure it this weekend.

>The grain scoop might be handy for a list of jobs.

I've used it for everything except shoveling grain. The original
motivation for buying one will remain classified information, but
since then, it has performed well for all manner of cleanup tasks. The
nice part about a plastic scoop is that it doesn't wreck wood floors,
carpet, tile, etc like a metal scoop.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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[Oren]

On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:45:50 -0700, "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>
wrote:

http://www.amazon.com/Wayne-Systems-VIP50-Submersible-Utility/dp/B000CQ6CU4/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1429875701&sr=8-10&keywords=trash+pump

Needs only 1/8". 2500gph through a garden hose.

"Minimum water level to operate pump is 2 5/8-inch"

+1

That puts us back to the original subject question.