Another stupid question

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klem kedidelhopper

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I used to run my cable and antenna through my VCR and record my
programs and then watch them on my old TV. Well now since the recent
digital transition I can no longer do that, so I was wondering if
anyone knows if it's possible or has ever managed to get a composite
video signal out of a flat screen TV? It seems as though I recall that
this was available on some of the older tube sets but I've never seen
it on a flat screen. Obviously I really don't give a damn about HD. I
would just like to record my programs on my VCR. I realize that
building ground, and live chassis issues would have to be dealt with
but aside from that can it be done? I just fixed up a Visio VP322 that
a customer left here and I plan on using this set in our living room.
 
[This followup was posted to sci.electronics.repair and a copy was sent
to the cited author.]

In article <726d73a3-50b9-4ad2-bf08-7bfd9ec0c6f1
@w3g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>, captainvideo462009@gmail.com says...
I used to run my cable and antenna through my VCR and record my
programs and then watch them on my old TV. Well now since the recent
digital transition I can no longer do that, so I was wondering if
anyone knows if it's possible or has ever managed to get a composite
video signal out of a flat screen TV? It seems as though I recall that
this was available on some of the older tube sets but I've never seen
it on a flat screen. Obviously I really don't give a damn about HD. I
would just like to record my programs on my VCR. I realize that
building ground, and live chassis issues would have to be dealt with
but aside from that can it be done? I just fixed up a Visio VP322 that
a customer left here and I plan on using this set in our living room.
Click to expand...
Even on TV's that had video output, it usually only worked for ANALOG
signals. Digital signals were always locked to the TV so as not to piss
off the media companies.

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On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 05:47:45 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper
<captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote:

I used to run my cable and antenna through my VCR and record my
programs and then watch them on my old TV. Well now since the recent
digital transition I can no longer do that, so I was wondering if
anyone knows if it's possible or has ever managed to get a composite
video signal out of a flat screen TV? It seems as though I recall that
this was available on some of the older tube sets but I've never seen
it on a flat screen. Obviously I really don't give a damn about HD. I
would just like to record my programs on my VCR. I realize that
building ground, and live chassis issues would have to be dealt with
but aside from that can it be done? I just fixed up a Visio VP322 that
a customer left here and I plan on using this set in our living room.
If you are repairng TVs it's time to move into the 21st century. Look
Click to expand...
into the various DVRs available. TiVo is the premier brand, but there
are others.

PlainBill
 
On Dec 11, 1:57 pm, PlainB...@yawhoo.com wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 05:47:45 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper

captainvideo462...@gmail.com> wrote:
I used to run my cable and antenna through my VCR and record my
programs and then watch them on my old TV. Well now since the recent
digital transition I can no longer do that, so I was wondering if
anyone knows if it's possible or has ever managed to get a composite
video signal out of a flat screen TV? It seems as though I recall that
this was available on some of the older tube sets but I've never seen
it on a flat screen. Obviously I really don't give a damn about HD. I
would just like to record my programs on my VCR. I realize that
building ground, and live chassis issues would have to be dealt with
but aside from that can it be done? I just fixed up a Visio VP322 that
a customer left here and I plan on using this set in our living room.

If you are repairng TVs it's time to move into the 21st century.  Look
into the various DVRs available.  TiVo is the premier brand, but there
are others.

PlainBill
Click to expand...
And why PlainBill do I personally need all that stuff, because YOU say
I do? Lenny
 
klem kedidelhopper wrote:
I used to run my cable and antenna through my VCR and record my
programs and then watch them on my old TV. Well now since the recent
digital transition I can no longer do that, so I was wondering if
anyone knows if it's possible or has ever managed to get a composite
video signal out of a flat screen TV? It seems as though I recall that
this was available on some of the older tube sets but I've never seen
it on a flat screen. Obviously I really don't give a damn about HD. I
would just like to record my programs on my VCR. I realize that
building ground, and live chassis issues would have to be dealt with
but aside from that can it be done? I just fixed up a Visio VP322 that
a customer left here and I plan on using this set in our living room.
Click to expand...
converter box.
 
On Dec 11, 5:47 am, klem kedidelhopper <captainvideo462...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I used to run my cable and antenna through my VCR and record my
programs and then watch them on my old TV. Well now since the recent
digital transition I can no longer do that, so I was wondering if
anyone knows if it's possible or has ever managed to get a composite
video signal out of a flat screen TV? It seems as though I recall that
this was available on some of the older tube sets but I've never seen
it on a flat screen. Obviously I really don't give a damn about HD. I
would just like to record my programs on my VCR. I realize that
building ground, and live chassis issues would have to be dealt with
but aside from that can it be done? I just fixed up a Visio VP322 that
a customer left here and I plan on using this set in our living room.
Click to expand...
Why? Get a tuner card for your PC and use IT in place of the VCR. I
started that 7 years ago and can't imagine putting up with a VCR, its
limited record time and less than std def video. It doesn't take much
of a PC to record HD video but if you're planning to surf the web
while it's recording you should consider a dual or quad core processor
or else you'll get some stutters. I haven't seen a one since switching
to the first AMD Phenom tri-core. You can play files across the
network all in HD while the source PC is recording something else. BTW
the picture is indistinguishable from 'live'.

G˛
 
On Dec 11, 11:15 am, klem kedidelhopper <captainvideo462...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Dec 11, 1:57 pm, PlainB...@yawhoo.com wrote:





On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 05:47:45 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper

captainvideo462...@gmail.com> wrote:
I used to run my cable and antenna through my VCR and record my
programs and then watch them on my old TV. Well now since the recent
digital transition I can no longer do that, so I was wondering if
anyone knows if it's possible or has ever managed to get a composite
video signal out of a flat screen TV? It seems as though I recall that
this was available on some of the older tube sets but I've never seen
it on a flat screen. Obviously I really don't give a damn about HD. I
would just like to record my programs on my VCR. I realize that
building ground, and live chassis issues would have to be dealt with
but aside from that can it be done? I just fixed up a Visio VP322 that
a customer left here and I plan on using this set in our living room.

If you are repairng TVs it's time to move into the 21st century.
 Look
into the various DVRs available.  TiVo is the premier brand, but
there
are others.

PlainBill

And why PlainBill do I personally need all that stuff, because YOU
say
I do? Lenny
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Because Bill is right. The PC is barely bigger than the crappy VCR
(and ALL VCRs are crappy compared to the PC) you want to use. I have
remote controls for the PC that do the same function as the VCR, just
better. I promise that if you try it you'll wonder why you didn't
change sooner.

G˛
 
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:28:49 -0800 (PST), stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:

Why? Get a tuner card for your PC and use IT in place of the VCR. I
started that 7 years ago and can't imagine putting up with a VCR, its
limited record time and less than std def video. It doesn't take much
of a PC to record HD video but if you're planning to surf the web
while it's recording you should consider a dual or quad core processor
or else you'll get some stutters. I haven't seen a one since switching
to the first AMD Phenom tri-core. You can play files across the
network all in HD while the source PC is recording something else. BTW
the picture is indistinguishable from 'live'.

G˛
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Sounds a great idea (would like to try it). However it does mean
having a pc + keyboard etc and when pushed for space that could be a
problem. Could make custom "slimline" PC I suppose - I mean no need
for it to be a tower or whatever. Do you by any chance (he asks
optimistically) have any more detail info/tips etc on setting this up?
 
dave wrote:
Sounds a great idea (would like to try it). However it does mean
having a pc + keyboard etc and when pushed for space that could be a
problem. Could make custom "slimline" PC I suppose - I mean no need
for it to be a tower or whatever. Do you by any chance (he asks
optimistically) have any more detail info/tips etc on setting this up?
Click to expand...
I'm not in the US, so I can't give you model names and numbers that would
be of any help. However ALL of the set top boxes sold here have USB ports
on them.

The early ones would let you plug in a USB disk or memory stick and use it as a
PVR (personal video recorder). They get information on what to record based
on program guide data sent in the data stream.

The early ones simply recorded the programs as a raw MPEG transport stream
and only played back things they recorded. The newer ones record it as a
more common file type (playable on a PC) and play most formats of downloadable
videos.

Compared to a PC, they are small, cheap ($50 on up), produce no heat or noise,
and so on. If you use a memory stick instead of a hard drive, they are
quiet and cool.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM
My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-(
 
On Dec 21, 12:39 am, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <g...@mendelson.com>
wrote:
dave wrote:

Sounds a great idea (would like to try it). However it does mean
having a pc + keyboard etc and when pushed for space that could be a
problem. Could make custom "slimline"  PC I suppose - I mean no need
for it to be a tower or whatever. Do you by any chance (he asks
optimistically) have any more detail info/tips etc on setting this up?

I'm not in the US, so I can't give you model names and numbers that would
be of any help. However ALL of the set top boxes sold here have USB ports
on them.

The early ones would let you plug in a USB disk or memory stick and use it as a
PVR (personal video recorder). They get information on what to record based
on program guide data sent in the data stream.

The early ones simply recorded the programs as a raw MPEG transport stream
and only played back things they recorded. The newer ones record it as a
more common file type (playable on a PC) and play most formats of downloadable
videos.

Compared to a PC, they are small, cheap ($50 on up), produce no heat or noise,
and so on. If you use a memory stick instead of a hard drive, they are
quiet and cool.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson,  N3OWJ/4X1GM
My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-(
Click to expand...
That is very interesting. May i ask where you found this out? Is this
documented in any manual?'

The reason I ask is that here in the US, all set top boxes have
similarly had USB ports for quite a long time as well. However I was
under the impression that they didnt do anything or were inoperative.
The reason I was under the impression that they were inoperative has
been because i have repeatedly been told that in specific terms by
every cable company technician I have ever spoken to about this!

As the OP I have been mystified by certain arguments in this thread:
Namely that everyone should stop using VCRs and go over to some form
of DVR, usually touted as being contained in a cable box which you
have to rent from someone. I should add that VCRs are comparatively
new in the US, and americans uniformly think that they invented them,
possibly around the mid 1980s (I even saw a TV program supporting this
view from no less august a source than Popular Mechanics as recently
as yesterday!!). In England things have always been more advanced,
with the original Phillips 1500s being introduced and gaining
reasonably widespread acceptance in the mid 1970s. Even in those days,
VCRs had relatively advanced features which let users time shift and
arrange to turn the recorder on and off and tune channels in advance
of the program being recorded. As time went on, throughout the 80s,
90s and naughties, these features became more and more advanced until
they really were quite sophisticated.

Suddenly about five years ago the world went over to a new (?) system,
and one in which you could only turn a DVR such as an Archos ON (and
sometimes even OFF), - and then only if you are there to do it in
real time. And then sometimes only to view some tiny recorded picture
in a small box in the middle of a huge TV screen!

Why are Americans so unsophisticated and is there really some way of
using this USB port in conjunction with a computer to obviate all this
lack of sophistication? Someone please tell me that I am wrong about
Americans being so unsophisticated and why, when Klem commented on how
easy recording programs (yes, even multiple programs and even when you
arent there to turn it on) on VCRs used to be, everyone jumped down
his throat and told him to move into the 21st Century!
 
On Dec 21, 3:34 pm, myfathersson <licensedtoqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
That is very interesting. May i ask where you found this out? Is this
documented in any manual?'

The reason I ask is that here in the US, all set top boxes have
similarly had USB ports for quite a long time as well. However I was
under the impression that they didnt do anything or were inoperative.
The reason I was under the impression that they were inoperative has
been because i have repeatedly been told that in specific terms by
every cable company technician I have ever spoken to about this!

As the OP I have been mystified by certain arguments in this thread:
Namely that everyone should stop using VCRs and go over to some form
of DVR, usually touted as being contained in a cable box which you
have to rent from someone. I should add that VCRs are comparatively
new in the US, and americans uniformly think that they invented them,
possibly around the mid 1980s (I even saw a TV program supporting this
view from no less august a source than Popular Mechanics as recently
as yesterday!!). In England things have always been  more advanced,
with the original Phillips 1500s being introduced and gaining
reasonably widespread acceptance in the mid 1970s. Even in those days,
VCRs had relatively advanced features which let users time shift and
arrange to turn the recorder on and off and tune channels in advance
of the program being recorded. As time went on, throughout the 80s,
90s and naughties, these features became more and more advanced until
they really were quite sophisticated.

Suddenly about five years ago the world went over to a new (?) system,
and one in which you could only turn a DVR such as an Archos ON (and
sometimes even  OFF), -  and then only if you are there to do it in
real time.  And then sometimes only to view some tiny recorded picture
in a small box in the middle of a huge TV screen!

Why are Americans so unsophisticated and is there really some way of
using this USB port in conjunction with a computer to obviate all this
lack of sophistication? Someone please tell me that I am wrong about
Americans being so unsophisticated and why, when Klem commented on how
easy recording programs (yes, even multiple programs and even when you
arent there to turn it on) on VCRs used to be, everyone jumped down
his throat and told him to move into the 21st Century!
Click to expand...
I got my first VCR in 1977, a Sony Betamax personal purchase half off
for only $650. When I tell you VCRs are crap, its because they are
crap They were ALWAYS crap but it was all we had so it was "good".
Picture is poor, media wears out, machine wears out, tapes get
damaged, recording time is finite. Why would anyone want such a thing
when you don't have to use it? Yes the recording time is finite on my
computer too but there is about 150 hours currently on the machine and
room for several hundred more. It's all in HD and identical to 'live'.
Then there are 2 more machines with similar stories. USB drives are
fine for archiving but gigabit LAN is even better.

BTW while the VCR was 'invented' in Japan, practical videotape
recording was in fact invented in the USA by the Ampex Corporation.
The first use of a VTR on air commercially was from CBS Television
City on November 30, 1956 to run 15 minutes of Douglas Edwards news
for the west coast network feed.

Also, those Japanese VCR manufacturers all paid licensing fees to
Ampex. They shrunk and repackaged the concept. Does that qualify as an
invention?

http://www.cedmagic.com/history/ampex-commercial-vtr-1956.html

G˛
Another unsophisticated American.
 
On Dec 21, 3:34 pm, myfathersson <licensedtoqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 21, 12:39 am, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <g...@mendelson.com
wrote:

Sounds a great idea (would like to try it). However it does mean
having a pc + keyboard etc and when pushed for space that could be a
problem. Could make custom "slimline"  PC I suppose - I mean no need
for it to be a tower or whatever. Do you by any chance (he asks
optimistically) have any more detail info/tips etc on setting this up?

I'm not in the US, so I can't give you model names and numbers that would
be of any help. However ALL of the set top boxes sold here have USB ports
on them.

The early ones would let you plug in a USB disk or memory stick and use it as a
PVR (personal video recorder). They get information on what to record based
on program guide data sent in the data stream.

The early ones simply recorded the programs as a raw MPEG transport stream
and only played back things they recorded. The newer ones record it as a
more common file type (playable on a PC) and play most formats of downloadable
videos.

Compared to a PC, they are small, cheap ($50 on up), produce no heat or noise,
and so on. If you use a memory stick instead of a hard drive, they are
quiet and cool.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson,  N3OWJ/4X1GM
My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-(

That is very interesting. May i ask where you found this out? Is this
documented in any manual?'

The reason I ask is that here in the US, all set top boxes have
similarly had USB ports for quite a long time as well. However I was
under the impression that they didnt do anything or were inoperative.
The reason I was under the impression that they were inoperative has
been because i have repeatedly been told that in specific terms by
every cable company technician I have ever spoken to about this!

As the OP I have been mystified by certain arguments in this thread:
Namely that everyone should stop using VCRs and go over to some form
of DVR, usually touted as being contained in a cable box which you
have to rent from someone. I should add that VCRs are comparatively
new in the US, and americans uniformly think that they invented them,
possibly around the mid 1980s (I even saw a TV program supporting this
view from no less august a source than Popular Mechanics as recently
as yesterday!!). In England things have always been  more advanced,
with the original Phillips 1500s being introduced and gaining
reasonably widespread acceptance in the mid 1970s.
Click to expand...
Philips is a Dutch company, correct?

The video cassette recording system Cartrivision was introduced at the
Summer Consumer Electronics Show in 1970. Sold at first exclusively by
Sears retail stores, the system was noteworthy for being the first to
rent prerecorded movies -- by mail, making it a predecessor of
Netflix.

Even in those days,
VCRs had relatively advanced features which let users time shift and
arrange to turn the recorder on and off and tune channels in advance
of the program being recorded.
Click to expand...
How were the copyright infringement issues resolved in the UK?

As time went on, throughout the 80s,
90s and naughties, these features became more and more advanced until
they really were quite sophisticated.

Suddenly about five years ago the world went over to a new (?) system,
and one in which you could only turn a DVR such as an Archos ON (and
sometimes even  OFF), -  and then only if you are there to do it in
real time.  And then sometimes only to view some tiny recorded picture
in a small box in the middle of a huge TV screen!

Why are Americans so unsophisticated and is there really some way of
using this USB port in conjunction with a computer to obviate all this
lack of sophistication? Someone please tell me that I am wrong about
Americans being so unsophisticated and why, when Klem commented on how
easy recording programs (yes, even multiple programs and even when you
arent there to turn it on) on VCRs used to be, everyone jumped down
his throat and told him to move into the 21st Century!
Click to expand...
The unnecessary conversion from digital to analog in order to record
using 40 year old technology offends engineers. It would be like
renting a Super-8 version of a Cinemascope film.
 
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On Dec 21, 3:34 pm, myfathersson <licensedtoqu...@gmail.com> wrote:

I got my first VCR in 1977, a Sony Betamax personal purchase half off
for only $650. When I tell you VCRs are crap, its because they are
crap They were ALWAYS crap but it was all we had so it was "good".
Picture is poor, media wears out, machine wears out, tapes get
damaged, recording time is finite. Why would anyone want such a thing
when you don't have to use it?
Click to expand...
Here we go again...

Yes, it makes a lot more sense to record on a DVR. The consumer VCR is both
technically and practically obsolete. That said...

Unlike VHS, the Betamax represented an excellent compromise between price
and quality. The first time I saw a Betamax recording (playing on Sony's
original 19" console TV/VCR combo), I didn't know whether it was live or
recorded. I used a Betamax for years for time-shifting, and I assure you,
the machine was not "crap", and the picture was in no way "poor".


Also, those Japanese VCR manufacturers all paid licensing fees to
Ampex. They shrunk and repackaged the concept. Does that qualify
as an invention?
Click to expand...
Yes, because the Japanese helical-scan system (invented by Hitachi, I think)
was quite different from the Ampex quadruplex [sic] system.
 
America is almost certainly the most stupid, parochial, unsophisticated, and
just-plain-brainless Western society. What else is new?
 
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America is almost certainly the most stupid, parochial, unsophisticated,
and
just-plain-brainless Western society. What else is new?
Click to expand...

And there are too many people in the U.S. who think the European way is
better.

The grass is often greener on the other side of the fence, unless perhaps
you are invested in your status quo.

The generic, sweeping, reflexive name-calling is unappreciated, by me at
least, even if by being so generalized, there are necessarily elements of
truth contained within.

Mark Z.
 
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:58:06 -0800 "William Sommerjerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in Message id:
<jcv2g7$45t$1@dont-email.me>:

America is almost certainly the most stupid, parochial, unsophisticated, and
just-plain-brainless Western society. What else is new?
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Hey Will, Go Fuck Yourself with a splintered fence post.
 
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:58:06 -0800 "William Sommerjerck"
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America is almost certainly the most stupid, parochial, unsophisticated,
and
just-plain-brainless Western society. What else is new?

Hey Will, Go Fuck Yourself with a splintered fence post.
Click to expand...

Wow. That was even worse.

mz
 
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:24:53 -0600 "Mark Zacharias"
<mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net> wrote in Message id:
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:58:06 -0800 "William Sommerjerck"
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America is almost certainly the most stupid, parochial, unsophisticated,
and
just-plain-brainless Western society. What else is new?

Hey Will, Go Fuck Yourself with a splintered fence post.


Wow. That was even worse.
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Yup, it sure was. But deserving. I'm tired of idiots Like Will dumping on
my country.
 
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:15:30 -0800 (PST), klem kedidelhopper
<captainvideo462009@gmail.com> wrote:

And why PlainBill do I personally need all that stuff, because YOU say
I do? Lenny
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Because all you really need is food, shelter, and clothing:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_needs>
How far you climb out of your cave largely depends on how far above
the subsistence level you feel comfortable. If glorified technical
poverty is your maximum level of achievement, then you probably do not
need a DVR.
<http://www.google.com/search?q=minimalist+lifestyle&tbm=isch>
If you obtain your entertainment in ways other than TV, then a DVR is
again wasted on your lifestyle[1]. If your philosophical or religious
convictions proscribe watching TV, then a DVR is not required.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_living>
However, if you do watch TV, and find that convenience, time shifting,
and fast forward through commercials, are useful additions to your
lifestyle, then a DVR is required.

DVR Penetration Grows to 39.7% of Households, 42.2% of Viewers
<http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/03/23/dvr-penetration-grows-to-39-7-of-households-42-2-of-viewers/86819/>

[1] I spent about 10 years without owning a TV and survived.


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On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:58:06 -0800 "William Sommerwerck"
grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in Message id:
jcv2g7$45t$1@dont-email.me>:

America is almost certainly the most stupid, parochial,
unsophisticated,
and just-plain-brainless Western society. What else is new?

Hey Will, Go Fuck Yourself with a splintered fence post.

Wow. That was even worse.

Yup, it sure was. But deserving. I'm tired of idiots Like Will
dumping on my country.
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It's my country, too. I have a right to complain. I'm not an idiot, just a
semi-detached observer.

Find an "average" American who reads non-fiction books, * who knows anything
about anything that hasn't been presented to him or her via mass
communication or mass "culture". Find one who'd willing to consider points
of view other than his or her own.

You won't find many.

By the way, I don't believe in "one-world government". By the time human
beings progress to the point where it would workable without Fascist
coercion, there would be no need for it.

The problem with the world is people. And I'm not the first to say it.
Tarzan even said it in a movie.

* I think this is what Howard Beale means when he says "Only 3% of you read
books".
 
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