Another reason ...

William Sommerwerck wrote:
I saw 'bone in' uncooked hams for $1.19 a pound yesterday at a
Save-A-Lot store. A family of four caould have a nice Thanksgiving
meal for $20 to $30 and have plenty of leftovers for snacks. The problem
with a lot of people is that they won't look for good prices, or drive
an extra couple miles to save money on food. I shop at six different
supermarkets and at Sam's Club. I don't make a special trip to them
when I can avoid it. I stop in when I have other business in that
area. They are all concentrated in two areas, so I can shop more than
one in a single trip. I am diabetic, and have trouble finding what I
want and can eat, so I can't shop in one place.

The difference in prices among stores -- for exactly the same product -- can
be startling. In the Seattle area, Fred Meyer tends to have the lowest
prices among the major chains, but (of course) Costco can be (and often is)
even lower -- though you don't have the selection, of course.

The last Alberson's in my area closed a couple years ago. It had the
highest prices of any supermarket, so most of the customers lived within
walking distance.


We have:

Aldi
Publix
Save-A-Lot
Sweetbay
Wal-mart
Winn-Dixie

K-mart and Target have grocery sections, but the selection is
limited. We also have a huge liquidator that buys tractor trailer loads
of food and anything else you can imagine. At times they have full
cases of food that just hit the expiration date for $1. A few months
ago I bought five, four pound boxes of TUC peppered Crackers for $5. I
gave one away, and only have one full box left. 12 bottles of lime
juice for $1, and other deals show up, as well. The dates on the food
is actually a 'best used by' date, not a date it becomes unsafe.


I occasionally stop by the Oroweat "day-old" store and pay /half/ what I do
at Costco. I rarely pay more than $1.20 for a loaf of rye bread, or $1 for a
box of English muffins -- often less.

Both of the 'day old stores here are gone. One went too retail
operation, the other closed when it was bought by a larger bakery. A
lot of what they sold was overstock, and not day old. I know there is
one about 15 miles from here, but that isn't worth the drive, unless I
need a lot of bread. It is near the new VA clinic, though, and I am
waiting to get on the transfer list.


I remember some TV show where people were showing how they shopped. One
woman put more than $100 of food in her cart -- then said she didn't have
anything for that night's meal.

I have days like that, because some stops are to restock the basics
instead of buying things for that day, but it rarely ever passes $50. I
only shop a few times a month for most things, as well. Canned foods
are bought by the case, spices and some other items are restaurant sized
containers Why pay $1.99 for 3.75 ounces of black pepper, when I can
get 80 ounces for $18.88? That is 21.33 times the weight for 9.48 times
he price. It also makes it easy not to run out in the middle of
preparing a meal. :)


I also have the problem of not being hungry while shopping and not
finding anything I want to eat that night, while shopping. Diabetes
plays hell with your appetite, and the medicine to treat it is worse.


Most people I know pick one store and buy everything there,
regardless of prices.

Most people have /no idea whatever/ how to make intelligent purchases.

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"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I don't think that there are many people who are sane, that are against
'alternative' energy, per se. The trick is that the word needs to be
combined with that other little word "practical". That seems to get
forgotten in all this. PV panels are all very well, if you've got a
country
below say 45 deg N, with a lot of unused desert available. Even then, you
have the logistics and losses involved in shifting the power that you
generate, to anywhere that it's needed.

This is not a problem -- not in the US, anyway. We have a big connected
grid.

People keep saying that solar energy doesn't work at night. Correct. But
we
need less energy at nigh. The idea is to have a mix of energy sources.


We already have an 'alternative' power technology that is both clean and
practical, and that is nuclear.

You talk about "practical", but what is the "practical" way to get rid of
the waste?


I appreciate that there are potential issues with recycling waste
nuclear material, but I am sure that these are not insurmountable.

It isn't just what's left over from the fuel rods. It's also the stuff
that
the radiation contaminaes.
<snip>

And don't make the mistake of thinking that 'alternative power' is all
about responsible people trying to save the planet. It's not. Whilst such
scientists and eco-minded people may have been at the centre of the
original concepts, it is now all about big business. Selling the public
these
technologies by way of the hysterical global warming issue (trends now
indicate a cooling again BTW, much the same as we were being told back
in the 70s) and pseudo science that has little if any foundation in fact,
is
making huge amounts of money for companies who are having their products
built by the biggest industrial polluters in the world, and don't
actually
give a toss about green issues ...

I thought you had more sense. Where do you get this business about
"cooling
trends"?
And I would have thought that you would have known me better than to
disregard something that I have taken the trouble to say, as being nothing
more than nonsense. No matter what you might think, the case for manmade
global warming is by no means made, and there are many scientists with an
alternative view. Some actually use real science, instead of media driven
pseudo science, to investigate the possibility that the trends are actually
the reverse of what the mm global warmingists would have us all believe.

Try looking at

http://www.climatecooling.org/ or
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

or
http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31:vanishing-sunspots-prelude-to-global-cooling&catid=1:latest


Regardless, global warming ultimately has nothing to do with it. We need
safe, renewable sources of energy. We can't keep burning fossil fuels
indefinitely. THAT problem should be driving us to develop them as quickly
as possible. We should have been working on it aggressively after WW II.
But, no. "The Market" will automatically solve all our problems.


Nobody disputes that we cannot continue using the fuels that we currently
do, to generate electricity. However, we already have a perfectly adequate
'alternative' to fossil fuels in nuclear. All it needs is for people to lose
their unfounded and hysterical fears of the technology, which are created in
no small part by media hype, and a vociferous anti-nuclear brigade.


Arfa
 
The last Albertsons in my area closed a couple years ago.
It had the highest prices of any supermarket, so most of
the customers lived within walking distance.
QFC is Kroger's "high-end" store in the Seattle area. (Kroger's bought Fred
Meyer a few years ago.) The QFC near me was rather small, so when the
economy got tight, it wasn't surprising it shut down.

If any of your stores are owned by Kroger's, try the Kroger's brand raisins.
Beat the heck out of Sunsweet -- taste just as good, and are softer.
 
And I would have thought that you would have known me better
than to disregard something that I have taken the trouble to say,
as being nothing more than nonsense.
That's why it so surprised me, as you're normally a thoughtful person.

Scientists are only slightly more rational than the average person. Like
most humans, they tend to believe what they want to believe. However, as
carbon dioxide and methane are greenhouse gases, it's hard to believe that
pumping them into the atmosphere /doesn't/ have an effect. That is not, per
se, pseudo science.

It's interesting to note that the (so-called) Little Ice Age ended around
the time the industrial revolution got under way. Was this a coincidence, or
cause and effect? It is possible that part, or all, of the warming we see is
actually a reversal of the Little Ice Age.


No matter what you might think, the case for manmade
global warming is by no means made, and there are many scientists
with an alternative view. Some actually use real science, instead of
media driven pseudo science, to investigate the possibility that the
trends are actually the reverse of what the mm global warmingists
would have us all believe.
The media didn't start the claims of manmade global warning -- they merely
(tend to) follow the opinions of whoever has the microphone, so to speak.


Nobody disputes that we cannot continue using the fuels that we currently
do, to generate electricity. However, we already have a perfectly adequate
'alternative' to fossil fuels in nuclear. All it needs is for people to
lose their unfounded and hysterical fears of the technology, which are
created in no small part by media hype, and a vociferous anti-nuclear
brigade.
I think the "vociferous anti-nuclear brigade" has a very strong case. Of
course, the two major nuclear disasters were not caused by the technology,
per se, but by the idiots running the plants. Nevertheless... Mr Murphy is
still alive and kicking.

Do a search for "pebble bed reactor" and see what you think. It appears to
be a complete solution to the problems of nuclear energy. So, naturally, no
one is doing much about it.
 
On 11/16/2010 6:31 PM, Arfa Daily wrote:
Nobody disputes that we cannot continue using the fuels that we
currently do, to generate electricity. However, we already have a
perfectly adequate 'alternative' to fossil fuels in nuclear. All it
needs is for people to lose their unfounded and hysterical fears of the
technology, which are created in no small part by media hype, and a
vociferous anti-nuclear brigade.
It's not all media fueled hype. Some of it is very well deserved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site

I'm reminded of an episode of the Simpsons where Mayor Quimby is
showing off the new alert sign in front of the nuclear power plant.
When it gets to stage 4 "Run for your lives" Homer remarks, "That'll
never happen." When questioned by a co-worker if he felt that the
site was safe Homer replied, "No, just that if the core melts, there
won't be any electricity to run the sign."

The biggest hurdle to overcome with safe nuclear energy is the age
old problem of "Who's guarding the guardians?"

If the debacle with British Petroleum and the government agencies
that were supposed to over see what was being done is any indication,
I'd rather not have to "trust" my government to make sure things are
safe.

Jeff
 
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ibv84h$2ne$1@news.eternal-september.org...
The last Albertsons in my area closed a couple years ago.
It had the highest prices of any supermarket, so most of
the customers lived within walking distance.

QFC is Kroger's "high-end" store in the Seattle area. (Kroger's bought
Fred
Meyer a few years ago.)
As a more or less life-long Portlander, I was a bit saddened when Fred Meyer
passed from family ownership to Kroger's. However, I still think they missed
a good bet... they should have changed the name to Freddy Kroger's.. maybe
even gotten Robert Englund to do their signage.. :)
 
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:31:29 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Nobody disputes that we cannot continue using the fuels that we currently
do, to generate electricity. However, we already have a perfectly adequate
'alternative' to fossil fuels in nuclear.
Yep. Nuclear is also the answer to your aversion to CFL lighting.
<http://www.uncoveror.com/nukebulbs.htm>
Full spectrum lighting with emissions from RF to gamma rays.
The only problem is clearing the room from the mushroom cloud every
time you turn it on.

Ok, the lack of any additional references to this device strongly
suggest that it's a hoax, but I couldn't resist mentioning it.

Incidentally, I invented the nuclear waste powered home water heater,
which should also be a big hit after we run out of oil. What to do
with reactor waste? Just take it home and use it to run your buried
water heater.

Jeff (Sci-Fi) Liebermann



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William Sommerwerck wrote:
The last Albertsons in my area closed a couple years ago.
It had the highest prices of any supermarket, so most of
the customers lived within walking distance.

QFC is Kroger's "high-end" store in the Seattle area. (Kroger's bought Fred
Meyer a few years ago.) The QFC near me was rather small, so when the
economy got tight, it wasn't surprising it shut down.

If any of your stores are owned by Kroger's, try the Kroger's brand raisins.
Beat the heck out of Sunsweet -- taste just as good, and are softer.

Kroger has no stores in Florida that I know of. They attempted to
open a couple about 15 years ago, but sold the new buildings before they
ever opened.

I shopped at a Kroger's supermarket when I lived in Ohio for almost
all my groceries.


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For the last time: I am not a mad scientist! I m just a very ticked
off scientist!!!
 
As a more or less life-long Portlander, I was a bit saddened
when Fred Meyer passed from family ownership to Kroger's.
However, I still think they missed a good bet... they should
have changed the name to Freddy Kroger's.. maybe even
gotten Robert Englund to do their signage.. :)
He could have worked in the butcher department...
 

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