Another far out solar energy collection in the stratosphere idea...

On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Jan 2023 23:50:59 -0800 (PST)) it happened Ricky
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<76057774-ac2d-483d-8753-aca802506f29n@googlegroups.com>:

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:20:08 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Billy teh Sloomman wrote:

ca987ee0-fbae-4e25...@googlegroups.com>:
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:52:10 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:15:11 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:23:49 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
kites to pull cables around windlasses.

Oh, aerial suspension with a kite of a wind turbine is a potential big win: there
are high-altitude winds available to such an object (but the right-of-way
for a stationary tether is a problem). Are you sure it was windlass energy
production?
Yes, somebody proposed that. Others have suggested windmills of
various sorts on kites. There is a project based on a propeller inside
a tubular balloon.

Somebody is doing a tethered autogyro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon

Which would NEVER get approval because of their obvious risk to aviation. Hint: why do you think they were called \"barrage\"

balloons?

Because they originally lifted \"barrage nets\" to a height that WW1 bombers couldn\'t exceed.

Any fixed object that does constitute a risk to aviation has to carry warning lights. High rise buildings are a obvious risk
to
aviation, but that doesn\'t stop them being built.

Sewage Sweeper hasn\'t got much grasp of reality.
So that is what you do?

question one:
how does the power go o earth,
1 cable
2 RF microwave beam
Answer for 1 fly into it (LED string as warning? HAHAHA)
Answer for 2 get fried you and your equipment flying through it?, pointing errors kill the population?

question 2:
Micro and big asteroids, space orbit debris, anything goes to have it crash on people\'s head
answer : hide in CERN tunnels..
There is an other space debris shower from some burned out earh observing satellite expected soon, see news.
Chance of it hitting something was ONLY 1 in 9500, good it is not in my hemisphere.
Chances in the lottery are a lot worse!!

Have you been on drugs tonight? You aren\'t making any sense, even more so than usual.
Click to expand...

Anyways it DOES require an above 10 IQ to understand
My sincere ape pologies if you were not in the target audio-ants group.
 
On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Jan 2023 23:50:59 -0800 (PST)) it happened Ricky
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<76057774-ac2d-483d-8753-aca802506f29n@googlegroups.com>:

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:20:08 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Billy teh Sloomman wrote:

ca987ee0-fbae-4e25...@googlegroups.com>:
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:52:10 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:15:11 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:23:49 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
kites to pull cables around windlasses.

Oh, aerial suspension with a kite of a wind turbine is a potential big win: there
are high-altitude winds available to such an object (but the right-of-way
for a stationary tether is a problem). Are you sure it was windlass energy
production?
Yes, somebody proposed that. Others have suggested windmills of
various sorts on kites. There is a project based on a propeller inside
a tubular balloon.

Somebody is doing a tethered autogyro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon

Which would NEVER get approval because of their obvious risk to aviation. Hint: why do you think they were called \"barrage\"

balloons?

Because they originally lifted \"barrage nets\" to a height that WW1 bombers couldn\'t exceed.

Any fixed object that does constitute a risk to aviation has to carry warning lights. High rise buildings are a obvious risk
to
aviation, but that doesn\'t stop them being built.

Sewage Sweeper hasn\'t got much grasp of reality.
So that is what you do?

question one:
how does the power go o earth,
1 cable
2 RF microwave beam
Answer for 1 fly into it (LED string as warning? HAHAHA)
Answer for 2 get fried you and your equipment flying through it?, pointing errors kill the population?

question 2:
Micro and big asteroids, space orbit debris, anything goes to have it crash on people\'s head
answer : hide in CERN tunnels..
There is an other space debris shower from some burned out earh observing satellite expected soon, see news.
Chance of it hitting something was ONLY 1 in 9500, good it is not in my hemisphere.
Chances in the lottery are a lot worse!!

Have you been on drugs tonight? You aren\'t making any sense, even more so than usual.
Click to expand...

Anyways it DOES require an above 10 IQ to understand
My sincere ape pologies if you were not in the target audio-ants group.
 
On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:07:03 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 04-Jan-23 7:19 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
http://www.stratosolar.com/

They have nice pictures.
I do wonder whether they\'ve considered how big this thing has to be to
be buoyant enough (using helium I assume) at 20km altitude to support a
500 tonne gravity generation mass. And that\'s before the weight of the
thing itself and its tethers is taken into account.

A quick search suggests that the air density at that altitude is very
roughly one tenth of its sea level density, and at sea level it takes,
again roughly, one cubic metre of helium to support 1 kg mass. So the
volume to support 500 tonnes at 20km, is about 5 million cubic metres.
Click to expand...

Really? You think they haven\'t done any calculations, not even to calculate buoyancy? Your 500 tonne mass can be buoyed by a helium volume of 255 m square, 100 m thick. That\'s smaller than the 32 MWp platform.

Where did you get the 1 kg/m^3? Oh, I guess that\'s sea level? At 20 km altitude, the density of air is 0.08891 kg/m^3. Helium is around 0.012 kg/m^3. The difference is 0.077 kg/m^3. Doing the math, I get 6.5 million m^3, or a 255 m square, 100 m thick. Here\'s where I got my data.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/standard-atmosphere-d_604.html

Where exactly is the problem? What are you saying is unrealistic? The 32 MWp platform is stated to be 400 m on a side.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:07:03 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 04-Jan-23 7:19 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
http://www.stratosolar.com/

They have nice pictures.
I do wonder whether they\'ve considered how big this thing has to be to
be buoyant enough (using helium I assume) at 20km altitude to support a
500 tonne gravity generation mass. And that\'s before the weight of the
thing itself and its tethers is taken into account.

A quick search suggests that the air density at that altitude is very
roughly one tenth of its sea level density, and at sea level it takes,
again roughly, one cubic metre of helium to support 1 kg mass. So the
volume to support 500 tonnes at 20km, is about 5 million cubic metres.
Click to expand...

Really? You think they haven\'t done any calculations, not even to calculate buoyancy? Your 500 tonne mass can be buoyed by a helium volume of 255 m square, 100 m thick. That\'s smaller than the 32 MWp platform.

Where did you get the 1 kg/m^3? Oh, I guess that\'s sea level? At 20 km altitude, the density of air is 0.08891 kg/m^3. Helium is around 0.012 kg/m^3. The difference is 0.077 kg/m^3. Doing the math, I get 6.5 million m^3, or a 255 m square, 100 m thick. Here\'s where I got my data.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/standard-atmosphere-d_604.html

Where exactly is the problem? What are you saying is unrealistic? The 32 MWp platform is stated to be 400 m on a side.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:07:03 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 04-Jan-23 7:19 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
http://www.stratosolar.com/

They have nice pictures.
I do wonder whether they\'ve considered how big this thing has to be to
be buoyant enough (using helium I assume) at 20km altitude to support a
500 tonne gravity generation mass. And that\'s before the weight of the
thing itself and its tethers is taken into account.

A quick search suggests that the air density at that altitude is very
roughly one tenth of its sea level density, and at sea level it takes,
again roughly, one cubic metre of helium to support 1 kg mass. So the
volume to support 500 tonnes at 20km, is about 5 million cubic metres.
Click to expand...

Really? You think they haven\'t done any calculations, not even to calculate buoyancy? Your 500 tonne mass can be buoyed by a helium volume of 255 m square, 100 m thick. That\'s smaller than the 32 MWp platform.

Where did you get the 1 kg/m^3? Oh, I guess that\'s sea level? At 20 km altitude, the density of air is 0.08891 kg/m^3. Helium is around 0.012 kg/m^3. The difference is 0.077 kg/m^3. Doing the math, I get 6.5 million m^3, or a 255 m square, 100 m thick. Here\'s where I got my data.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/standard-atmosphere-d_604.html

Where exactly is the problem? What are you saying is unrealistic? The 32 MWp platform is stated to be 400 m on a side.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:05:34 AM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Sloman wrote:

Jan target audience seems to be people who are even more pig-ignorant than he is,
----------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^

See, you are learning from me, keep at it!
Click to expand...

Perhaps I am, but I do try to minimise any contamination from your silly ideas. It\'s not as if you have anything useful to teach.

> Funny language you earthlings have!

Jan\'s native language is Dutch, which I do speak. I don\'t recall the dutch distinguishing themselves from other human inhabitants of the planet as living on mud rather than on earth - that is what the \"the Netherlands\" does mean - but Jan does seem to be more rural than the people I hung out with.

--
Bill Sloman
 
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:05:34 AM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Sloman wrote:

Jan target audience seems to be people who are even more pig-ignorant than he is,
----------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^

See, you are learning from me, keep at it!
Click to expand...

Perhaps I am, but I do try to minimise any contamination from your silly ideas. It\'s not as if you have anything useful to teach.

> Funny language you earthlings have!

Jan\'s native language is Dutch, which I do speak. I don\'t recall the dutch distinguishing themselves from other human inhabitants of the planet as living on mud rather than on earth - that is what the \"the Netherlands\" does mean - but Jan does seem to be more rural than the people I hung out with.

--
Bill Sloman
 
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:05:34 AM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Sloman wrote:

Jan target audience seems to be people who are even more pig-ignorant than he is,
----------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^

See, you are learning from me, keep at it!
Click to expand...

Perhaps I am, but I do try to minimise any contamination from your silly ideas. It\'s not as if you have anything useful to teach.

> Funny language you earthlings have!

Jan\'s native language is Dutch, which I do speak. I don\'t recall the dutch distinguishing themselves from other human inhabitants of the planet as living on mud rather than on earth - that is what the \"the Netherlands\" does mean - but Jan does seem to be more rural than the people I hung out with.

--
Bill Sloman
 
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 3:51:49 AM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Bill Sloman wrote:

Perhaps I am,

I think so I am?
Click to expand...

Descartes is dead. I was merely conceding that your posts might be influencing me, which wouldn\'t count as \"education\" as you were claiming, but rather as some kind of mental pollution.

> You mean you do not think?

No I did not mean that, and no sane reader would be able to find that implication in what I wrote (most of which you have snipped).

> OK, so you do not think, are brainless and any electronics from you is missing here in this group. Mostly insults remain.

Your logic is defective, which is insulting you, but that\'s unavoidable.

> No wonder you could not find a job in the Netherlands!!

I worked for two year and ten months for Haffmans BV in Venlo. I certainly found that job, and did useful work for them - if quantifying the beer foam left in a beer glass qualifies as useful. Monitoring the temperature and conductivity of the washing liquid in brewery beer bottle washer probably is more obviously useful

> Or anywhere???

I had more impressive jobs in the UK. I was 70 when I moved back to Australia, which didn\'t making it easy to find paid work.

> Wombat farm over there?

Nobody farms wombats. Conservationists do encourage them, but they aren\'t a threatened species so there\'s not a lot of money spent on it. Dasyurids (Tasmanian devils) are being more actively conserved, but nobody calls that farming.

There\'s not a lot of that in inner city Sydney. I did get to visit a Tasmanian Devil sanctuary when my wife and I took a nostalgic tour around Tasmania a few years ago (we\'d both grown up there).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 12:19:41 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.stratosolar.com/

They have nice pictures.
Click to expand...

Insane word salad. The \"startup\" has been around from about 2008 and
seems to have been in various businesses. It\'s hard to tell where they
are located but a Street View of one Richmond location looks like a
junk yard.

\"The original concept was to concentrate and direct light concentrated
by a buoyant cassegrain reflector telescope structure down a buoyant
reflective pipe [4] to the ground for use in conventional steam
turbine power generation.\"
 
On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 12:19:41 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.stratosolar.com/

They have nice pictures.
Click to expand...

Insane word salad. The \"startup\" has been around from about 2008 and
seems to have been in various businesses. It\'s hard to tell where they
are located but a Street View of one Richmond location looks like a
junk yard.

\"The original concept was to concentrate and direct light concentrated
by a buoyant cassegrain reflector telescope structure down a buoyant
reflective pipe [4] to the ground for use in conventional steam
turbine power generation.\"
 
On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 12:19:41 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.stratosolar.com/

They have nice pictures.
Click to expand...

Insane word salad. The \"startup\" has been around from about 2008 and
seems to have been in various businesses. It\'s hard to tell where they
are located but a Street View of one Richmond location looks like a
junk yard.

\"The original concept was to concentrate and direct light concentrated
by a buoyant cassegrain reflector telescope structure down a buoyant
reflective pipe [4] to the ground for use in conventional steam
turbine power generation.\"
 
On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:06:55 +1100) it happened Sylvia Else
<sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in <k1uj9fFc0mfU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04-Jan-23 7:19 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
http://www.stratosolar.com/

They have nice pictures.

I do wonder whether they\'ve considered how big this thing has to be to
be buoyant enough (using helium I assume) at 20km altitude to support a
500 tonne gravity generation mass. And that\'s before the weight of the
thing itself and its tethers is taken into account.

A quick search suggests that the air density at that altitude is very
roughly one tenth of its sea level density, and at sea level it takes,
again roughly, one cubic metre of helium to support 1 kg mass. So the
volume to support 500 tonnes at 20km, is about 5 million cubic metres.

Sylvia.
Click to expand...

IMO it is just a bulshit snake oil idiot trying to get money from investors for
something that will never work.
Extremely dangerous too.

Any kid cn male a bull website like that.


 
On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:06:55 +1100) it happened Sylvia Else
<sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in <k1uj9fFc0mfU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04-Jan-23 7:19 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
http://www.stratosolar.com/

They have nice pictures.

I do wonder whether they\'ve considered how big this thing has to be to
be buoyant enough (using helium I assume) at 20km altitude to support a
500 tonne gravity generation mass. And that\'s before the weight of the
thing itself and its tethers is taken into account.

A quick search suggests that the air density at that altitude is very
roughly one tenth of its sea level density, and at sea level it takes,
again roughly, one cubic metre of helium to support 1 kg mass. So the
volume to support 500 tonnes at 20km, is about 5 million cubic metres.

Sylvia.
Click to expand...

IMO it is just a bulshit snake oil idiot trying to get money from investors for
something that will never work.
Extremely dangerous too.

Any kid cn male a bull website like that.


 
On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:06:55 +1100) it happened Sylvia Else
<sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in <k1uj9fFc0mfU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 04-Jan-23 7:19 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
http://www.stratosolar.com/

They have nice pictures.

I do wonder whether they\'ve considered how big this thing has to be to
be buoyant enough (using helium I assume) at 20km altitude to support a
500 tonne gravity generation mass. And that\'s before the weight of the
thing itself and its tethers is taken into account.

A quick search suggests that the air density at that altitude is very
roughly one tenth of its sea level density, and at sea level it takes,
again roughly, one cubic metre of helium to support 1 kg mass. So the
volume to support 500 tonnes at 20km, is about 5 million cubic metres.

Sylvia.
Click to expand...

IMO it is just a bulshit snake oil idiot trying to get money from investors for
something that will never work.
Extremely dangerous too.

Any kid cn male a bull website like that.


 
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:52:10 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:15:11 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:23:49 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
kites to pull cables around windlasses.

Oh, aerial suspension with a kite of a wind turbine is a potential big win: there
are high-altitude winds available to such an object (but the right-of-way
for a stationary tether is a problem). Are you sure it was windlass energy
production?
Yes, somebody proposed that. Others have suggested windmills of
various sorts on kites. There is a project based on a propeller inside
a tubular balloon.

Somebody is doing a tethered autogyro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon

Which would NEVER get approval because of their obvious risk to aviation. Hint: why do you think they were called \"barrage\" balloons?
Click to expand...

Because they originally lifted \"barrage nets\" to a height that WW1 bombers couldn\'t exceed.

Any fixed object that does constitute a risk to aviation has to carry warning lights. High rise buildings are a obvious risk to aviation, but that doesn\'t stop them being built.

Sewage Sweeper hasn\'t got much grasp of reality.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:52:10 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:15:11 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:23:49 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
kites to pull cables around windlasses.

Oh, aerial suspension with a kite of a wind turbine is a potential big win: there
are high-altitude winds available to such an object (but the right-of-way
for a stationary tether is a problem). Are you sure it was windlass energy
production?
Yes, somebody proposed that. Others have suggested windmills of
various sorts on kites. There is a project based on a propeller inside
a tubular balloon.

Somebody is doing a tethered autogyro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon

Which would NEVER get approval because of their obvious risk to aviation. Hint: why do you think they were called \"barrage\" balloons?
Click to expand...

Because they originally lifted \"barrage nets\" to a height that WW1 bombers couldn\'t exceed.

Any fixed object that does constitute a risk to aviation has to carry warning lights. High rise buildings are a obvious risk to aviation, but that doesn\'t stop them being built.

Sewage Sweeper hasn\'t got much grasp of reality.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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