Another EV goes haywire!...

[Martin Brown]

On 06/10/2023 14:52, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 12:12:31 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Ban them!

https://tinyurl.com/2cjun8v7

Why not ban Cursitor Doom? There\'s nothing specific to electric cars that makes them any more prone to have their control systems go haywire than internal combustion-engined cars.

Taking out the ignition key usually seems to work when my ( internal combustion-engined) car decides to turn it\'s cruise control on. One has to wonder why the driver didn\'t try it.

Perhaps Cursitor Doom hasn\'t had to cope with a modern car yet. Mine is about ten years old, so it isn\'t all that modern, but it did come with all kinds of programmed bells and whistles

I can\'t tell which URL the fuckwit Doom has pointed at, but this one
does look like a massive software MFU. The police got him to throw his
key fob out of the window and then do a hard reset by holding the
ignition button in for 10s - the result was every indicator on the dash
lit up. But the car kept on going. Unlike the usual foot on the wrong
pedal game this one looks to be a car with software that was total crap
(but then it was an MG so what do you expect?).

They finally stopped it by running him into a soft matched speed
collision with a police van and then applying their brakes.

The car still tried to move forward but was constrained. They could only
disable it by switching off the main supply and the repair man wasn\'t
keen to do anything other than take it away on a trailer. The error
messages in the log file ran into many pages. It is a pretty good
example of why fly by wire isn\'t sensible in consumer grade items.

I always insisted on having physical interlocks when I was in the firing
line for high powered lasers. I don\'t trust electronics not to glitch
and I certainly don\'t trust firmware or software!

I do trust a big heavy physical beam stop with a huge heat sink
especially when my padlock is locked on it and the key in my pocket.

ISTR the US lost a very expensive stealth aircraft due to similar coding
problems or an unspecified and classified malfunction fairly recently
and had to appeal to the public to help find its wreckage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66841194

Software is usually the cause of such malfunctions in high end kit.

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[Cursitor Doom]

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 10:53:42 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 18:00:19 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 08:12:32 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 14:12:20 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

Ban them!

https://tinyurl.com/2cjun8v7

\"MG malfunctioned\" is perfectly normal. That\'s not news.

I wish my MGs would have kept going at 15 MPH.

I did once make it from the top of Mt Tamalpias back home to my
apartment in San Francisco, across the Golden Gate Bridge, with no
clutch.

Are you talking about MGs - or \"MGs\" (the ones made nowadays in
China).
Classic MGs rarely give any trouble provided they\'re maintained
regularly.

Like weekly?

I had a Sprite and a Midget, which were great fun and mechanically
awful. All the fluids leaked, including rainwater from above. DGMS on
Lucas electrics.

Perhaps it\'s harder to get the proper spares for them in
the US.

I could get parts. Lots of them.

I think you\'d have had a much, much better experience with a pre-1976*
MG B or possibly a TF. The MGB roadster is highly-regarded. There were
so many of them made they\'re easy to find for sensible prices and
spares are plentiful. A TF is more pricey but a really classic sports
car with wonderful styling.
* pre \'76 \'cos after that they had those hideous rubber safety
fenders. Get a chrome bumper model if you can.

 

[Don Y]

On 10/6/2023 11:30 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

ISTR the US lost a very expensive stealth aircraft due to similar coding
problems or an unspecified and classified malfunction fairly recently and had
to appeal to the public to help find its wreckage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66841194

Software is usually the cause of such malfunctions in high end kit.

And the cause of the software fault is often a sloppy specification.

High end kit is often coded by large crews from meticulous specifications.
Getting the specification right is considerably harder than coding
the portions doled out to individual coders. *Noticing* flaws in
a specification is also more difficult than noticing a bug in a
reified module against its spec.

[I\'ve been given specs with obvious incompatibilities -- that the
author hadn\'t seen just because he was too close to the problem
and had too many baked in assumptions: \"Here, imagine THIS happening...\"]

Sadly, no one teaches folks how to write (and challenge) good
specifications (hardware, software, system). And, few folks have
an interest in developing that skillset.

 

[Don Y]

On 10/6/2023 1:33 PM, Don Y wrote:

[I\'ve been given specs with obvious incompatibilities -- that the
author hadn\'t seen just because he was too close to the problem
and had too many baked in assumptions:  \"Here, imagine THIS happening...\"]

Sadly, no one teaches folks how to write (and challenge) good
specifications (hardware, software, system).  And, few folks have
an interest in developing that skillset.

A colleague was designing a video scaler. And the design was almost
ready to head off to the foundry! I pointed out that RS170 video
scaled to a *smaller* image in the \"enlarged\" setting than in the
\"normal\" setting. (WTF?)

How did the design get that far along without anyone challenging
it with real-life situations??

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 14:27:43 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 10:53:42 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 18:00:19 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 08:12:32 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 14:12:20 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

Ban them!

https://tinyurl.com/2cjun8v7

\"MG malfunctioned\" is perfectly normal. That\'s not news.

I wish my MGs would have kept going at 15 MPH.

I did once make it from the top of Mt Tamalpias back home to my
apartment in San Francisco, across the Golden Gate Bridge, with no
clutch.

Are you talking about MGs - or \"MGs\" (the ones made nowadays in
China).
Classic MGs rarely give any trouble provided they\'re maintained
regularly.

Like weekly?

Yeah. In the 1970s, I had a girlfriend with a MG Sprite. and she
loved how it drove. I was always fixing something. Don\'t recall what
happened to it. I think it was totaled, but not by her.


I had a Sprite and a Midget, which were great fun and mechanically
awful. All the fluids leaked, including rainwater from above. DGMS on
Lucas electrics.

Lucas, Prince of Darkness


Perhaps it\'s harder to get the proper spares for them in
the US.

I could get parts. Lots of them.

As could I. I recall the parts lady at the local British Cars dealer
in Baltimore. She had perfect memory. You could roughly describe
what you needed, and she would pause, then say that that\'s a
27-character part number>, run off into the back, and come out with
the correct part. Every time.

Joe Gwinn

When I moved from New Orleans to San Francisco I drive my Midget all
the way. It started pulling to the right pretty hard and was getting
worse. Turns out a stamped thing in the front suspension was tearing.
Good thing I made it through the Grand Canyon; it\'s a long way down.

I met my wife at a gay bar, Hamburger Mary\'s. She told me that she had
a Midget that was running badly. We went outside and opened the hood.
It was idling at 3000 RPM, so I whipped out my swiss army knife and
cranked down the idle screw on the SU carb.

\"Women have no use for engineers except to marry them.\"


I sold my Midget to an artist who painted the ocean on it.

https://adrianruyle.com/3-d-art/art-cars/

No seagulls. I insisted on no seagulls.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 19:34:07 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 10:53:42 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 18:00:19 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 08:12:32 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 14:12:20 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

Ban them!

https://tinyurl.com/2cjun8v7

\"MG malfunctioned\" is perfectly normal. That\'s not news.

I wish my MGs would have kept going at 15 MPH.

I did once make it from the top of Mt Tamalpias back home to my
apartment in San Francisco, across the Golden Gate Bridge, with no
clutch.

Are you talking about MGs - or \"MGs\" (the ones made nowadays in
China).
Classic MGs rarely give any trouble provided they\'re maintained
regularly.

Like weekly?

I had a Sprite and a Midget, which were great fun and mechanically
awful. All the fluids leaked, including rainwater from above. DGMS on
Lucas electrics.

Perhaps it\'s harder to get the proper spares for them in
the US.

I could get parts. Lots of them.

I think you\'d have had a much, much better experience with a pre-1976*
MG B or possibly a TF. The MGB roadster is highly-regarded. There were
so many of them made they\'re easy to find for sensible prices and
spares are plentiful. A TF is more pricey but a really classic sports
car with wonderful styling.
* pre \'76 \'cos after that they had those hideous rubber safety
fenders. Get a chrome bumper model if you can.

The Midget was fun but not a good ski car.

2wd and no place for skis and insane oversteer. Fun to spin if there
were no trees nearby.

We had to turn the heater off when it was really cold, or the engine
would get too cold.

 

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[Ricky]

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:12:31 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Ban them!

https://tinyurl.com/2cjun8v7

It was an MG, for Christ\'s sake!!! No one expects them to work without failure!!!

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[Ricky]

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:15:37 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:25:48 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
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On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:52:59?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 12:12:31?AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Ban them!

https://tinyurl.com/2cjun8v7

Why not ban Cursitor Doom? There\'s nothing specific to electric cars that makes them any more prone to have their control systems go haywire than internal combustion-engined cars.

Taking out the ignition key usually seems to work when my ( internal combustion-engined) car decides to turn it\'s cruise control on.

Another woman-designed subsystem...


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Subject: Re: Another EV goes haywire!
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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 2:00:30 AM UTC+11, Clive Arthur wrote:

On 06/10/2023 14:52, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 12:12:31 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Ban them!

https://tinyurl.com/2cjun8v7

Why not ban Cursitor Doom? There\'s nothing specific to electric cars that makes them any more prone to have their control systems go haywire than internal combustion-engined cars.

He like the attention, that\'s all.

He clearly does, who in their right mind would want to get attention for endorsing a string of fatuous ideas?

Taking out the ignition key usually seems to work when my ( internal combustion-engined) car decides to turn it\'s cruise control on. One has to wonder why the driver didn\'t try it.

On many (most?) cars, that would lock the steering.

Didn\'t in mine. And you shouldn\'t have to take it out for long to reset the control processor.

Perhaps Cursitor Doom hasn\'t had to cope with a modern car yet. Mine is about ten years old, so it isn\'t all that modern, but it did come with all kinds of programmed bells and whistles.

Mine\'s coming up to 20 years old. The central locking hasn\'t worked for years and one door won\'t lock at all. The dashboard display sometimes spontaneously starts using German, and the rear wiper has a mind of its own. It\'s a Citroen, of course.

Never owned one. I liked Peugeot\'s and the current car is a Merc (wife\'s choice). Citroens always seems to be a bit too idiosyncratic - one of my mates lost his when his garage put regular brake fluid into the hydraulic system, which utterly wrecked it (for all practical purposes - you\'d have had to dismantled the car to replace all the individual parts that it wrecked and the car wasn\'t worth the cost of the labour involved).

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 2:15:37 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:25:48 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:52:59?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 12:12:31?AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Ban them!

https://tinyurl.com/2cjun8v7

Why not ban Cursitor Doom? There\'s nothing specific to electric cars that makes them any more prone to have their control systems go haywire than internal combustion-engined cars.

Taking out the ignition key usually seems to work when my ( internal combustion-engined) car decides to turn it\'s cruise control on.

Another woman-designed subsystem...

More likely \"programmer designed.\"

The programmers that I know, mostly male, can type way faster than they can think.

If they could think, they wouldn\'t be working for John Larkin. The ones I knew, of both sexes, were pretty bright.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney