Another CFL failure

[Trevor Wilson]

Well, with all the grumbles about CFL failures, I felt I should announce
that I experienced yet another CFL failure last night. That's a total of 2
(TWO) failures whilst living at my present address (4 years) and a total of
3 (THREE) CFL failures in the 8 (EIGHT) years I've been using them. Whilst
living at my present address, I've swapped every possible lamp to CFL that I
am able. Except for regular flouros, of course (lots of them in the
workshop).

Last night's failure was when I dropped a trouble light onto a rock and it
pieced the tube, thus causing it's failure.

So far, here's the list of failures:

1) Cheap, shitty CFL, failed soon after fitting. I no longer purchase
anything but Phillips branded lamps.
2) Phillips lamp failed in the garage, when a possum sat on/grabbed the
lamp.
3) Phillips lamp failed when a rock caused damage to the tube.

For the record:

All my outdoor lighting is CFL (total of 7 lamps).
All bathroom lighting is CFL (total of 3 lamps).
Kitchen lighting is partially CFL (total of 3 lamps).
TV room background lighting is CFL (total of 1, 7 Watt CFL).
Three bedrooms are CFL lit (total of 5 CFLs).
Garage has one CFL.

Two CFLs were brought from my old address and are still providing excellent
performance (as measured by my light meter), relative to the incandescents
they replaced.

Phillips CFLs rule!


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[petrus bitbyter]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> schreef in bericht
news:82him9FghpU1@mid.individual.net...

Well, with all the grumbles about CFL failures, I felt I should announce
that I experienced yet another CFL failure last night. That's a total of 2
(TWO) failures whilst living at my present address (4 years) and a total
of 3 (THREE) CFL failures in the 8 (EIGHT) years I've been using them.
Whilst living at my present address, I've swapped every possible lamp to
CFL that I am able. Except for regular flouros, of course (lots of them in
the workshop).

Last night's failure was when I dropped a trouble light onto a rock and it
pieced the tube, thus causing it's failure.

So far, here's the list of failures:

1) Cheap, shitty CFL, failed soon after fitting. I no longer purchase
anything but Phillips branded lamps.
2) Phillips lamp failed in the garage, when a possum sat on/grabbed the
lamp.
3) Phillips lamp failed when a rock caused damage to the tube.

For the record:

All my outdoor lighting is CFL (total of 7 lamps).
All bathroom lighting is CFL (total of 3 lamps).
Kitchen lighting is partially CFL (total of 3 lamps).
TV room background lighting is CFL (total of 1, 7 Watt CFL).
Three bedrooms are CFL lit (total of 5 CFLs).
Garage has one CFL.

Two CFLs were brought from my old address and are still providing
excellent performance (as measured by my light meter), relative to the
incandescents they replaced.

Phillips CFLs rule!


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Did not know Phillips sells CFL. Philips however does for sure.

petrus bitbyter

 

[David Eather]

On 13/04/2010 7:46 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

Well, with all the grumbles about CFL failures, I felt I should announce
that I experienced yet another CFL failure last night. That's a total of 2
(TWO) failures whilst living at my present address (4 years) and a total of
3 (THREE) CFL failures in the 8 (EIGHT) years I've been using them. Whilst
living at my present address, I've swapped every possible lamp to CFL that I
am able. Except for regular flouros, of course (lots of them in the
workshop).

Last night's failure was when I dropped a trouble light onto a rock and it
pieced the tube, thus causing it's failure.

So far, here's the list of failures:

1) Cheap, shitty CFL, failed soon after fitting. I no longer purchase
anything but Phillips branded lamps.
2) Phillips lamp failed in the garage, when a possum sat on/grabbed the
lamp.
3) Phillips lamp failed when a rock caused damage to the tube.

For the record:

All my outdoor lighting is CFL (total of 7 lamps).
All bathroom lighting is CFL (total of 3 lamps).
Kitchen lighting is partially CFL (total of 3 lamps).
TV room background lighting is CFL (total of 1, 7 Watt CFL).
Three bedrooms are CFL lit (total of 5 CFLs).
Garage has one CFL.

Two CFLs were brought from my old address and are still providing excellent
performance (as measured by my light meter), relative to the incandescents
they replaced.

Phillips CFLs rule!

I think you should open one of those Philips up and have a look.

 

[F Murtz]

petrus bitbyter wrote:

"Trevor Wilson"<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> schreef in bericht
news:82him9FghpU1@mid.individual.net...
Well, with all the grumbles about CFL failures, I felt I should announce
that I experienced yet another CFL failure last night. That's a total of 2
(TWO) failures whilst living at my present address (4 years) and a total
of 3 (THREE) CFL failures in the 8 (EIGHT) years I've been using them.
Whilst living at my present address, I've swapped every possible lamp to
CFL that I am able. Except for regular flouros, of course (lots of them in
the workshop).

Last night's failure was when I dropped a trouble light onto a rock and it
pieced the tube, thus causing it's failure.

So far, here's the list of failures:

1) Cheap, shitty CFL, failed soon after fitting. I no longer purchase
anything but Phillips branded lamps.
2) Phillips lamp failed in the garage, when a possum sat on/grabbed the
lamp.
3) Phillips lamp failed when a rock caused damage to the tube.

For the record:

All my outdoor lighting is CFL (total of 7 lamps).
All bathroom lighting is CFL (total of 3 lamps).
Kitchen lighting is partially CFL (total of 3 lamps).
TV room background lighting is CFL (total of 1, 7 Watt CFL).
Three bedrooms are CFL lit (total of 5 CFLs).
Garage has one CFL.

Two CFLs were brought from my old address and are still providing
excellent performance (as measured by my light meter), relative to the
incandescents they replaced.

Phillips CFLs rule!


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au


Did not know Phillips sells CFL. Philips however does for sure.

petrus bitbyter


Why pick on him for that spelling and not the flouros?

 

[Phil Allison]

"F Murtz"

petrus bitbyter wrote:
"TW"

Phillips CFLs rule!

Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au


Did not know Phillips sells CFL. Philips however does for sure.



Why pick on him for that spelling and not the flouros?

** HUH ?????

You thing Philips did not spell their own name right ??



...... Phil

 

[Ross Vumbaca]

Hi,

On 13/04/2010 7:46, Trevor Wilson wrote:

< .. >

Phillips CFLs rule!

I just threw one out that failed prematurely. Waste of money for the
price considering a bunch of cheap and nasty Mirabella CFLs I have, have
lasted longer.

Regards,

Ross..

 

[kreed]

On Apr 13, 2:06 pm, Ross Vumbaca <ros...@au.com.optushome> wrote:

Hi,

On 13/04/2010 7:46, Trevor Wilson wrote:

..

Phillips CFLs rule!

I just threw one out that failed prematurely. Waste of money for the
price considering a bunch of cheap and nasty Mirabella CFLs I have, have
lasted longer.

Regards,

Ross..

I have found them all to be much the same. The dirt cheap ones, we
might get 1 in 10 fail in the first couple of months,
but the rest typically go on for some years.

Note also that WES now have some CFL's in their flyer at what seems to
be pretty good prices. Anyone tried them yet ?

Many of the bulbs I have cut open and found that in almost all cases
the failure is due to the tube itself, not the electronics.
When the CFL Electronics are connected to a similar wattage "straight"
fluro they invariably work fine.

I find in most cases, the straight tube seems to give much more light
output than the CFL tube equivalent.

Noticed in Bunnings that you can now get 45w spiral CFL, It's one
monster tube compared with the regular CFL's

 

[Phil Allison]

"kreed"

Note also that WES now have some CFL's in their flyer at what seems to
be pretty good prices. Anyone tried them yet ?


** Yep - got a couple of 22 watt spirals the same day their email
arrived.

Heaps of light output, no problems so far.

$3.50 each is the kinda price I like !!!



Many of the bulbs I have cut open and found that in almost all cases
the failure is due to the tube itself, not the electronics.

** Confirmed here.


When the CFL Electronics are connected to a similar wattage "straight"
fluro they invariably work fine.


** Yep - the tube filaments are the first things to go usually.


Noticed in Bunnings that you can now get 45w spiral CFL, It's one
monster tube compared with the regular CFL's


** Got a couple of 32 watt " U-tube " CFLs from the local Chinese direct
import shop about 6 months ago for the workshop.

Phenomenal light output and no problems so far.



...... Phil

 

[F Murtz]

Phil Allison wrote:

"F Murtz"
petrus bitbyter wrote:
"TW"

Phillips CFLs rule!

Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au


Did not know Phillips sells CFL. Philips however does for sure.



Why pick on him for that spelling and not the flouros?


** HUH ?????

You thing Philips did not spell their own name right ??



..... Phil


Not sure wot you mean, trev spelled philips wrongly which is hard to

notice but the glaring mistake (flouro) was not commented upon, just
seemed strange that some one saw fit to correct him for one and not the
other.

 

[petrus bitbyter]

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:4bc3e65e$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

petrus bitbyter wrote:
"Trevor Wilson"<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> schreef in bericht
news:82him9FghpU1@mid.individual.net...
Well, with all the grumbles about CFL failures, I felt I should announce
that I experienced yet another CFL failure last night. That's a total of
2
(TWO) failures whilst living at my present address (4 years) and a total
of 3 (THREE) CFL failures in the 8 (EIGHT) years I've been using them.
Whilst living at my present address, I've swapped every possible lamp to
CFL that I am able. Except for regular flouros, of course (lots of them
in
the workshop).

Last night's failure was when I dropped a trouble light onto a rock and
it
pieced the tube, thus causing it's failure.

So far, here's the list of failures:

1) Cheap, shitty CFL, failed soon after fitting. I no longer purchase
anything but Phillips branded lamps.
2) Phillips lamp failed in the garage, when a possum sat on/grabbed the
lamp.
3) Phillips lamp failed when a rock caused damage to the tube.

For the record:

All my outdoor lighting is CFL (total of 7 lamps).
All bathroom lighting is CFL (total of 3 lamps).
Kitchen lighting is partially CFL (total of 3 lamps).
TV room background lighting is CFL (total of 1, 7 Watt CFL).
Three bedrooms are CFL lit (total of 5 CFLs).
Garage has one CFL.

Two CFLs were brought from my old address and are still providing
excellent performance (as measured by my light meter), relative to the
incandescents they replaced.

Phillips CFLs rule!


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au


Did not know Phillips sells CFL. Philips however does for sure.

petrus bitbyter


Why pick on him for that spelling and not the flouros?

It's not about spelling. Both Philips and Phillips are existing companies.
So I wonder if the latter (also) sells CFLs.

petrus bitbyter

 

[Phil Allison]

"Fuckwit Klutz"

Not sure wot you mean, trev spelled philips wrongly which is hard to
notice

** No it is not, you pathetic moron

- since he did it 4 times !!!
----------------------------

but the glaring mistake (flouro) was not commented upon,

** Was neither glaring nor repeated - you pathetic moron !!!

just seemed strange that some one saw fit to correct him for one and not
the other.

** How the meaningless meanderings of the autistic brain are eternally
un-fathomable.

Peeeeukkkkeeee............



..... Phil

 

[Martin]

How can you say that Philip's lamps are better? Most are Chinese and come
out of the same plant with differant brand names on them. In my my opinion
CFL's give a terrible output. I'll stick to incandesant

 

[Phil Allison]

"Martin"

How can you say that Philip's lamps are better?

** TW will not say what Philips CFLs he uses or where he buys them.

Certainly they are not the " Genie " or " Tornado" types which are sold
everywhere and made in China.

Most are Chinese and come out of the same plant with differant brand names
on them.

** There are a few different plants involved and the electronics come from
another set of factories.

In my my opinion CFL's give a terrible output.

** You have to pick the light colour you like - most people find "Warm
White" to be very satisfactory for domestic use.

I'll stick to incandesant

** So you use what, exactly ?

Dozens of 12 volt halogen downlights ?

They will all soon be removed from sale too.



..... Phil

 

[ian field]

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:hq5toi$t3e$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au...

"Martin"

How can you say that Philip's lamps are better?

** TW will not say what Philips CFLs he uses or where he buys them.

Certainly they are not the " Genie " or " Tornado" types which are sold
everywhere and made in China.


Most are Chinese and come out of the same plant with differant brand
names on them.


** There are a few different plants involved and the electronics come from
another set of factories.


In my my opinion CFL's give a terrible output.

** You have to pick the light colour you like - most people find "Warm
White" to be very satisfactory for domestic use.


I'll stick to incandesant

** So you use what, exactly ?

Dozens of 12 volt halogen downlights ?

They will all soon be removed from sale too.



.... Phil

So will CFLs if the LED press releases are to be believed.

 

[David Eather]

On 15/04/2010 11:35 AM, Martin wrote:

How can you say that Philip's lamps are better? Most are Chinese and come
out of the same plant with differant brand names on them. In my my opinion
CFL's give a terrible output. I'll stick to incandesant


I'm not commenting on the light output. The Philips lamps I pulled apart

use a diode rectifier directly feeding into a greencap rated at 350 volt
DC - its as crap as can possibly be.

 

[ian field]

"David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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On 15/04/2010 11:35 AM, Martin wrote:
How can you say that Philip's lamps are better? Most are Chinese and
come
out of the same plant with differant brand names on them. In my my
opinion
CFL's give a terrible output. I'll stick to incandesant


I'm not commenting on the light output. The Philips lamps I pulled apart
use a diode rectifier directly feeding into a greencap rated at 350 volt
DC - its as crap as can possibly be.

The cap used to be the favourite failure mode, but I've seen a few tubes
fail too.

Back when CFLs were expensive enough to be worth repairing, I got a few
going again by strapping on a straight 8W tube with a Ty-rap looped through
the holes.

 

[Phil Allison]

"David Eather"

I'm not commenting on the light output. The Philips lamps I pulled apart
use a diode rectifier directly feeding into a greencap rated at 350 volt
DC - its as crap as can possibly be.

** Fraid it is worse than you think.

That 400 volt greencap is wired across and incoming AC supply as a RF
suppression measure.



..... Phil

 

[ian field]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 7:12 am, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

"David Eather" <eat...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message

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On 15/04/2010 11:35 AM, Martin wrote:
How can you say that Philip's lamps are better? Most are Chinese and
come
out of the same plant with differant brand names on them. In my my
opinion
CFL's give a terrible output. I'll stick to incandesant

I'm not commenting on the light output. The Philips lamps I pulled apart
use a diode rectifier directly feeding into a greencap rated at 350 volt
DC - its as crap as can possibly be.

Great if it catches fire or explodes. Not a mains class cap by any
means.

Saw one of these recently on a 1990s vintage amplifier across the
power switch and was amazed.
Soon removed it.

The cap used to be the favourite failure mode, but I've seen a few tubes
fail too.

Back when CFLs were expensive enough to be worth repairing, I got a few
going again by strapping on a straight 8W tube with a Ty-rap looped
through
the holes.

From regular sources, buying the 8w tube is probably more expensive
than the entire CFL

Not back then it wasn't.

Besides, the landlord for the block of flats where I live used to hire an
electrician to replace all the corridor luminare tubes at once when a few
had failed - this was cheaper than the cumulative call out fees for
replacing each tube as it failed.

I just scrounged the box of old tubes off the electrician - most still had
plenty of life left and most of the tubes that had given up on an iron cored
ballast had a new lease of life on a 20kHz CFL PCB.

 

[kreed]

On Apr 16, 7:12 am, "ian field" <gangprobing.al...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

"David Eather" <eat...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message

news:H4GdnVD0Cv5l41rWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@supernews.com...

On 15/04/2010 11:35 AM, Martin wrote:
  How can you say that Philip's lamps are better?  Most are Chinese and
come
out of the same plant with differant brand names on them. In my my
opinion
CFL's give a terrible output. I'll stick to incandesant

I'm not commenting on the light output. The Philips lamps I pulled apart
use a diode rectifier directly feeding into a greencap rated at 350 volt
DC - its as crap as can possibly be.

Great if it catches fire or explodes. Not a mains class cap by any
means.

Saw one of these recently on a 1990s vintage amplifier across the
power switch and was amazed.
Soon removed it.

The cap used to be the favourite failure mode, but I've seen a few tubes
fail too.

Back when CFLs were expensive enough to be worth repairing, I got a few
going again by strapping on a straight 8W tube with a Ty-rap looped through
the holes.

From regular sources, buying the 8w tube is probably more expensive
than the entire CFL

I noticed 4 & 6w units (NEC or philips) were 6 and $8 respectively.

8w were also $6

Tried Haymans but they didnt have them in stock.

 

[Mickel]

On 13/04/10 11:18 PM, petrus bitbyter wrote:

It's not about spelling. Both Philips and Phillips are existing companies.
So I wonder if the latter (also) sells CFLs.

For christ sake petrus, get a life. You know perfectly well which
company he was talking about.

Michael