Analog - Digital TV question

On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 21:36:56 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>
wrote:

You're a real prize, the best you can do is make up shit and resort to
ad hominem attacks?

You basically went in the toilet when a black man was elected president.
You've only gotten worse.

Keep it up with your diatribes, it only makes you look stupid.

Good grief....

Fucking politics...... Not worth discussing since ALL politicians are
crooked liars. Dont matter what party they support.

There are only two suitable candidates. Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.
Although I think my dog would do a better job than any president we've
had in the last half century. He belongs to the K9 party. VOTE FOR HIM!
 
On 4/14/2019 12:06 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 10:37:04 PM UTC-4, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
On 4/13/19 6:16 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
We all know that you supported Hillary and her slimy bucket of despicables.

I see you love the "fear and hatred" brand of Koolaid the GOP has been
selling for the past 40 years.

Yawn. That's right out of the Liberal's rulebook 'Repeat a lie until it becomes the truth'.

It's sad, really. Those Anti Psychotic drugs were really helping you, before Obamacare took them away from you. I do hope that you do see the light some day. All of that raw, inflamed hatred is bad for your health.

You're a real prize, the best you can do is make up shit and resort to
ad hominem attacks?

I was only following your silly lead.

You basically went in the toilet when a black man was elected president.
You've only gotten worse.

Is that the best lie that you can come up with? He is only partly black, and he was never much of a man. Just the kind that you worship.

Keep it up with your diatribes, it only makes you look stupid.

Continuing to post under the name of a business that you ran into the ground years ago makes you look like a super genius?

I really don't care what you think. Even though I wasn't on any of the newsgroups, I sent emails to people with information during that time. That included you, although I knew that you would never acknowledge any of them. One was where to find help with a HP scope. I won't waste any more time with you. Just keep channeling Skippy.

Michael, it's nice to see you back around these parts, but this is no
way to act, Jeff was helpful, why such an attack. It is generally the
libs that do all the attacking. Why do you need to act the same. They
are wrong we just need to gently teach them to do better. When they know
better they will do better.
Jeff, have seen anything that Trump has done as president that you
like. I'll give you some help, The economy, Rocket Man, cutting taxes on
average $1,400 per household, rolling back regulations,
and a few from a liberal website.

►Move the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

►Pull the United States out of the Iranian nuclear deal.

►Stand up to NATO countries for not ponying up enough money to cover the
organization’s expenses and their own defense costs.

►Take on the news media and not back down, exposing bias and
agenda-driven journalism intended to run him out of office.

►Put an intense focus on immigration, the importance of border security
and the cost of illegal immigration, including U.S. citizens killed by
the undocumented.

►Target the ruthless Salvadoran street gang MS-13.


►Begin a dialogue with North Korea about ending its nuclear weapons
program.

OK, I got carried away, but do you agree with any of these accomplishments.

Mikek
 
On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:38:50 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 4/14/2019 12:06 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 10:37:04 PM UTC-4, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
On 4/13/19 6:16 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
We all know that you supported Hillary and her slimy bucket of despicables.

I see you love the "fear and hatred" brand of Koolaid the GOP has been
selling for the past 40 years.

Yawn. That's right out of the Liberal's rulebook 'Repeat a lie until it becomes the truth'.

It's sad, really. Those Anti Psychotic drugs were really helping you, before Obamacare took them away from you. I do hope that you do see the light some day. All of that raw, inflamed hatred is bad for your health.

You're a real prize, the best you can do is make up shit and resort to
ad hominem attacks?

I was only following your silly lead.

You basically went in the toilet when a black man was elected president.
You've only gotten worse.

Is that the best lie that you can come up with? He is only partly black, and he was never much of a man. Just the kind that you worship.

Keep it up with your diatribes, it only makes you look stupid.

Continuing to post under the name of a business that you ran into the ground years ago makes you look like a super genius?

I really don't care what you think. Even though I wasn't on any of the newsgroups, I sent emails to people with information during that time. That included you, although I knew that you would never acknowledge any of them.. One was where to find help with a HP scope. I won't waste any more time with you. Just keep channeling Skippy.


Michael, it's nice to see you back around these parts, but this is no
way to act, Jeff was helpful, why such an attack. It is generally the
libs that do all the attacking. Why do you need to act the same. They
are wrong we just need to gently teach them to do better. When they know
better they will do better.

I received a lot of abuse from him in 2016, and I am tired of being called stupid by him, just because I wouldn't vote for his choice.

I will no longer bother to read or reply to him.

I am reading messages in Seamonkey from a paid Usenet account that will not let me post messages, so I can filter out the trolls there. I have to post from Google Groups, so I don't know how often I will bother with Usenet.
 
On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:19:27 PM UTC-4, tub...@myshop.com wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

the thing is useless.

It still works well as an audio amp for computer sound, using the AUX
input. Sounds a lot better than those so called (crap) "amplified
computer speakers".

This has nothing to do with your original question, it is trolling.
 
On 4/15/2019 7:19 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

the thing is useless.

It still works well as an audio amp for computer sound, using the AUX
input. Sounds a lot better than those so called (crap) "amplified
computer speakers".
Not all amplified computer speakers are crap, I have a set made by
Altec Lansing that consists of a sub woofer and two satellite speakers,
that does a fine job.

Mikek
 
On 4/15/19 7:19 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
Fucking politics...... Not worth discussing since ALL politicians are
crooked liars. Dont matter what party they support.

Which just goes to show you how ignorant you are.


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On 4/15/19 7:38 PM, amdx wrote:
OK, I got carried away, but do you agree with any of these accomplishments.

                          Mikek

None of them.

--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On 4/13/2019 3:44 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 6:26:04 PM UTC-4, tub...@myshop.com wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 00:10:45 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net
wrote:

On 4/12/19 11:23 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
I have an old Realistic (Radio Shack) "Stereo TV Receiver".

You been under a rock for the past 10 years?
They stopped analog TV broadcasting in 2009.

Yes, Im aware of that, but dont answer my question. Can the audio
portion be received by my receiver or not?


There is no 'Audio Portion', there is a data stream containing both the video and one or more audio channels, and there may be one or more sub channels per the old bandwidth. Those 'stereo receivers' had a coil to pick up the horizontal sweep, which was used to separate the analog audio signal into two channels like Stereo FM, but the pilot frequency was 15.734KH instead of 19KHz. You not only don't have the analog audio, you can't recover the non existent NTSC horizontal signal. Other than a very few Low Power stations or translators, the thing is useless.

Ignore Jeff. He's an angry Liberal who has never worked at a TV station as an Engineer.
But there are still low power analog TV stations still on the air, or
were on the air. One here in Central Oregon. All religious broadcasting.

Paul
 
On 4/14/19 12:06 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:
Continuing to post under the name of a business that
you ran into the ground years ago makes you look like
a super genius?

Uh huh, another one of your fantasies.
Fox's Mercantile is alive and well in Ranger Texas.



--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 10:58:45 PM UTC-4, Paul Drahn wrote:
But there are still low power analog TV stations still on the air, or
were on the air. One here in Central Oregon. All religious broadcasting.

Do they transmit in stereo? Most LPTV stations operate on a shoestring, and adding the extra equipment for stereo wasn't cheap. The ones that I've seen recorded programs from Satellite, to video tape or a hard drive for later playback. What coverage are do they have with under 500W, and typically a tower under 100'?

The only station I worked at that was BTSC was a 5 MW EIRP
site with a 1700' tower that covered about 1/3 of Florida and occasionally received reports of being picked up in Texas during high sunspot cycles.

I have already stated that a few LPTV stations still exist, but many became sub channels after the conversion to digital.
 
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:48:37 -0500, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

On 4/15/2019 7:19 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

the thing is useless.

It still works well as an audio amp for computer sound, using the AUX
input. Sounds a lot better than those so called (crap) "amplified
computer speakers".

Not all amplified computer speakers are crap, I have a set made by
Altec Lansing that consists of a sub woofer and two satellite speakers,
that does a fine job.

Mikek

Altec Lansing is some of the tops in electronics. I have one of their
commercial power amps.

But I imagine you paid dearly for those speakers.

I have some very nice bookshelf speakers that I use with this tv
receiver box. Before that, I had a small radio receiver I used for an
amp, but that goofy thing would turn itself on and off. Being built with
ICs, I just tossed it. Working on IC stuff is not my cup of tea.

Its easier to just watch for receivers at rummage sales and Goodwill.

My "real" stereo is 1200 watts, but for using my bedroom computer, all I
need is 10 watts. Not to mention that I download videos. The sound on
them is so varied that I'd blow my ears out on the big stereo.
 
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 08:07:13 -0700 (PDT), makolber@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes, Im aware of that, but dont answer my question. Can the audio
portion be received by my receiver or not?

OP

NO your analog receiver cannot receive the audio portion of a digital TV transmission.

m

Yep, I pretty much know that now. I'm tempted to retune it to see how
far I can get ch6 into the FM band. But I got plenty of FM radios so why
bother....
 
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 17:47:31 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
<terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:19:27 PM UTC-4, tub...@myshop.com wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

the thing is useless.

It still works well as an audio amp for computer sound, using the AUX
input. Sounds a lot better than those so called (crap) "amplified
computer speakers".

This has nothing to do with your original question, it is trolling.

When I worked as a telephone exchange tech I listened to a
radio I put together from bits found in a rubbish bin.
I could listen to AM radio and VHF TV sound and it ran off
the 50 volts from the rack battery jack.
 
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 18:02:16 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
<terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:38:50 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 14/4/2019 12:06 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 10:37:04 PM UTC-4, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
On 13/4/19 6:16 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
We all know that you supported Hillary and her slimy bucket of despicables.

I see you love the "fear and hatred" brand of Koolaid the GOP has been
selling for the past 40 years.

Yawn. That's right out of the Liberal's rulebook 'Repeat a lie until it becomes the truth'.

It's sad, really. Those Anti Psychotic drugs were really helping you, before Obamacare took them away from you. I do hope that you do see the light some day. All of that raw, inflamed hatred is bad for your health.

You're a real prize, the best you can do is make up shit and resort to
ad hominem attacks?

I was only following your silly lead.

You basically went in the toilet when a black man was elected president.
You've only gotten worse.

Is that the best lie that you can come up with? He is only partly black, and he was never much of a man. Just the kind that you worship.

Keep it up with your diatribes, it only makes you look stupid.

Continuing to post under the name of a business that you ran into the ground years ago makes you look like a super genius?

I really don't care what you think. Even though I wasn't on any of the newsgroups, I sent emails to people with information during that time. That included you, although I knew that you would never acknowledge any of them. One was where to find help with a HP scope. I won't waste any more time with you. Just keep channeling Skippy.


Michael, it's nice to see you back around these parts, but this is no
way to act, Jeff was helpful, why such an attack. It is generally the
libs that do all the attacking. Why do you need to act the same. They
are wrong we just need to gently teach them to do better. When they know
better they will do better.


I received a lot of abuse from him in 2016, and I am tired of being called stupid by him, just because I wouldn't vote for his choice.

I will no longer bother to read or reply to him.

Use the kill file or just ignore him.

>I am reading messages in Seamonkey from a paid Usenet account that will not let me post messages, so I can filter out the trolls there. I have to post from Google Groups, so I don't know how often I will bother with Usenet.
 
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:38:46 -0500, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

On 14/4/2019 12:06 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 10:37:04 PM UTC-4, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
On 13/4/19 6:16 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
We all know that you supported Hillary and her slimy bucket of despicables.

I see you love the "fear and hatred" brand of Koolaid the GOP has been
selling for the past 40 years.

Yawn. That's right out of the Liberal's rulebook 'Repeat a lie until it becomes the truth'.

It's sad, really. Those Anti Psychotic drugs were really helping you, before Obamacare took them away from you. I do hope that you do see the light some day. All of that raw, inflamed hatred is bad for your health.

You're a real prize, the best you can do is make up shit and resort to
ad hominem attacks?

I was only following your silly lead.

You basically went in the toilet when a black man was elected president.
You've only gotten worse.

Is that the best lie that you can come up with? He is only partly
black, and he was never much of a man. Just the kind that you worship.

Keep it up with your diatribes, it only makes you look stupid.

Continuing to post under the name of a business that you ran into the
ground years ago makes you look like a super genius?

I really don't care what you think. Even though I wasn't on any of the
newsgroups, I sent emails to people with information during that
time. That included you, although I knew that you would never
acknowledge any of them. One was where to find help with a HP scope.
I won't waste any more time with you. Just keep channeling Skippy.


Michael, it's nice to see you back around these parts, but this is no
way to act, Jeff was helpful, why such an attack. It is generally the
libs that do all the attacking. Why do you need to act the same. They
are wrong we just need to gently teach them to do better. When they know
better they will do better.
Jeff, have seen anything that Trump has done as president that you
like. I'll give you some help, The economy, Rocket Man, cutting taxes on
average $1,400 per household, rolling back regulations,
and a few from a liberal website.

?Move the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

I say take off and nuke Israel from orbit.

?Pull the United States out of the Iranian nuclear deal.

?Stand up to NATO countries for not ponying up enough money to cover the
organization’s expenses and their own defense costs.

?Take on the news media and not back down, exposing bias and
agenda-driven journalism intended to run him out of office.

?Put an intense focus on immigration, the importance of border security
and the cost of illegal immigration, including U.S. citizens killed by
the undocumented.

?Target the ruthless Salvadoran street gang MS-13.


?Begin a dialogue with North Korea about ending its nuclear weapons
program.

OK, I got carried away, but do you agree with any of these accomplishments.

I'm glad Trump got in.

> Mikek
 
On 16/4/19 2:50 pm, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:48:37 -0500, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
Not all amplified computer speakers are crap, I have a set made by
Altec Lansing that consists of a sub woofer and two satellite speakers,
that does a fine job.
Altec Lansing is some of the tops in electronics.

They used to be where you come from (the 1970s). In the 1990s they also
made mass-market computer speakers, which do sound pretty good, but are
no comparison to their audiophile stuff. I have a revamped pair of their
"Eight" speakers, with the piezo and mid drivers replaced by modern
Kevlar units, and they sound fantastic.

> But I imagine you paid dearly for those speakers.

I bought three sets of their computer speakers for the family, and still
use one. I recall them being about $AU120 per set. They made even
bigger, better ones too, my son bought a set, internally multi-amp'ed.

Clifford Heath.
 
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:11:51 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>
wrote:

On 4/15/19 7:19 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
Fucking politics...... Not worth discussing since ALL politicians are
crooked liars. Dont matter what party they support.

Which just goes to show you how ignorant you are.

I'd have to say you are ignorant. There is no 15th month.
 
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:19:37 -0500, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:

On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 21:36:56 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net
wrote:

You're a real prize, the best you can do is make up shit and resort to
ad hominem attacks?

You basically went in the toilet when a black man was elected president.
You've only gotten worse.

Keep it up with your diatribes, it only makes you look stupid.

Good grief....

Fucking politics...... Not worth discussing since ALL politicians are
crooked liars. Dont matter what party they support.

There are only two suitable candidates. Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.
Although I think my dog would do a better job than any president we've
had in the last half century. He belongs to the K9 party. VOTE FOR HIM!

Your current president trumps them all.
 
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:48:37 -0500, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

On 15/4/2019 7:19 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

the thing is useless.

It still works well as an audio amp for computer sound, using the AUX
input. Sounds a lot better than those so called (crap) "amplified
computer speakers".

Not all amplified computer speakers are crap, I have a set made by
Altec Lansing that consists of a sub woofer and two satellite speakers,
that does a fine job.

I had something similar and it was great. I put the satellite speakers
either side of the monitor and the stereo effect was fantastic.
I used it with my VCR which had a stereo decoder.

> Mikek
 
On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 6:48:38 PM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
Not all amplified computer speakers are crap, I have a set made by
Altec Lansing that consists of a sub woofer and two satellite speakers,
that does a fine job.

Mikek
The Voice of the Theatre was a great loudspeaker, almost as good as my Klipschorns...
 

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