Analog - Digital TV question

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I have an old Realistic (Radio Shack) "Stereo TV Receiver". It's like a
radio, designed to receive the audio from tv stations. I've used it as
an audio amplifier for one of my computers. But I just wanted to see if
it actually received TV audio. I dont have much for an antenna, just a
rabbit ears. So I am not getting anything, and where I live getting any
tv signal is rare.

However, I'm wondering if it's possible to get anything. This was made
for analog tv. It has 3 buttons to select VHF low, VHF high, and UHF. I
know all the digital stations now use UHF.

With the proper antenna, is it possible to get the digital signal on
UHF, or can that only be gotten using a DTV converter? This has me
puzzled....

* I noticed that at the very end of the VHF low, near Channel 6, I do
get a very weak signal of some sort. I suspect I'm picking up a little
FM radio, but it's too weak to really hear clearly.
 
On 4/12/19 11:23 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
> I have an old Realistic (Radio Shack) "Stereo TV Receiver".

You been under a rock for the past 10 years?
They stopped analog TV broadcasting in 2009.



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Jeff-1.0
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http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 00:10:45 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>
wrote:

On 4/12/19 11:23 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
I have an old Realistic (Radio Shack) "Stereo TV Receiver".

You been under a rock for the past 10 years?
They stopped analog TV broadcasting in 2009.
Click to expand...

Are you under a rock? The 4th of December 2019 is in the future.
 
On 4/13/2019 3:24 AM, Lucifer wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 00:10:45 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net
wrote:

On 4/12/19 11:23 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
I have an old Realistic (Radio Shack) "Stereo TV Receiver".

You been under a rock for the past 10 years?
They stopped analog TV broadcasting in 2009.

Are you under a rock? The 4th of December 2019 is in the future.
Click to expand...

Fox used just a tiny bit of poet license, you are just being evil and
anally retentive.

Mikek
 
In <82p2be17tnnl503v7ub5u0c6ieggvqmhg1@4ax.com> tubeguy@myshop.com writes:

* I noticed that at the very end of the VHF low, near Channel 6, I do
get a very weak signal of some sort. I suspect I'm picking up a little
FM radio, but it's too weak to really hear clearly.
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Your radio will NOT work with any of the digital stations,
which is 99.999 or so percent of them.

However, there are a number of exceptions, namely
some low power stations that operated on "channel 6"
before the cutover, and remained in operation.

They're actually exploiting a loophole and are really
using that channel, NOT for the tv image, but because
the audio portion of channel 6 is at 87.7 Mhz.

That frequency is right at the edge of the FM
broadcast band. The older, "dial" type, radios
generally have enough slippage, so to speak, to
be able to pick them up. However, many of the
digital display/control ones have a "hard cut"
and won't go that low.

Typical example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WNYZ-LP


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On 4/13/19 8:32 AM, amdx wrote:
On 4/13/2019 3:24 AM, Lucifer wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 00:10:45 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net
wrote:

On 4/12/19 11:23 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
I have an old Realistic (Radio Shack) "Stereo TV Receiver".

You been under a rock for the past 10 years?
They stopped analog TV broadcasting in 2009.

Are you under a rock? The 4th of December 2019 is in the future.

  Fox used just a tiny bit of poet license, you are just being evil and
anally retentive.

                             Mikek
Click to expand...

Heh, where's the "like" button?


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"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 00:10:45 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>
wrote:

On 4/12/19 11:23 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
I have an old Realistic (Radio Shack) "Stereo TV Receiver".

You been under a rock for the past 10 years?
They stopped analog TV broadcasting in 2009.
Click to expand...

Yes, Im aware of that, but dont answer my question. Can the audio
portion be received by my receiver or not?
 
On 4/13/19 5:26 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 00:10:45 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net
wrote:

On 4/12/19 11:23 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
I have an old Realistic (Radio Shack) "Stereo TV Receiver".

You been under a rock for the past 10 years?
They stopped analog TV broadcasting in 2009.

Yes, Im aware of that, but dont answer my question. Can the audio
portion be received by my receiver or not?
Click to expand...

Doesn't, but the answer is no.

--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 6:26:04 PM UTC-4, tub...@myshop.com wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 00:10:45 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net
wrote:

On 4/12/19 11:23 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
I have an old Realistic (Radio Shack) "Stereo TV Receiver".

You been under a rock for the past 10 years?
They stopped analog TV broadcasting in 2009.

Yes, Im aware of that, but dont answer my question. Can the audio
portion be received by my receiver or not?
Click to expand...

There is no 'Audio Portion', there is a data stream containing both the video and one or more audio channels, and there may be one or more sub channels per the old bandwidth. Those 'stereo receivers' had a coil to pick up the horizontal sweep, which was used to separate the analog audio signal into two channels like Stereo FM, but the pilot frequency was 15.734KH instead of 19KHz. You not only don't have the analog audio, you can't recover the non existent NTSC horizontal signal. Other than a very few Low Power stations or translators, the thing is useless.

Ignore Jeff. He's an angry Liberal who has never worked at a TV station as an Engineer.
 
On 4/13/19 5:44 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
> Ignore Jeff. He's an angry Liberal who has never worked at a TV station as an Engineer.

I'd rather be an angry liberal than an ignorant Trump supporter.

--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 6:59:07 PM UTC-4, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
On 4/13/19 5:44 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
Ignore Jeff. He's an angry Liberal who has never worked at a TV station as an Engineer.

I'd rather be an angry liberal than an ignorant Trump supporter.
Click to expand...

We all know that you supported Hillary and her slimy bucket of despicables.

It's sad, really. Those Anti Psychotic drugs were really helping you, before Obamacare took them away from you. I do hope that you do see the light some day. All of that raw, inflamed hatred is bad for your health.
 
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 17:59:01 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>
wrote:

On 4/13/19 5:44 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
Ignore Jeff. He's an angry Liberal who has never worked at a TV station as an Engineer.

I'd rather be an angry liberal than an ignorant Trump supporter.
Click to expand...
The you are a piece of shit liberal. At least Trump is doing good
stuff for the country while liberals are fucking it up.


KenW
 
On 4/13/19 6:16 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
> We all know that you supported Hillary and her slimy bucket of despicables.

I see you love the "fear and hatred" brand of Koolaid the GOP has been
selling for the past 40 years.

It's sad, really. Those Anti Psychotic drugs were really helping you, before Obamacare took them away from you. I do hope that you do see the light some day. All of that raw, inflamed hatred is bad for your health.
Click to expand...

You're a real prize, the best you can do is make up shit and resort to
ad hominem attacks?

You basically went in the toilet when a black man was elected president.
You've only gotten worse.

Keep it up with your diatribes, it only makes you look stupid.


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 10:37:04 PM UTC-4, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
On 4/13/19 6:16 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
We all know that you supported Hillary and her slimy bucket of despicables.

I see you love the "fear and hatred" brand of Koolaid the GOP has been
selling for the past 40 years.
Click to expand...

Yawn. That's right out of the Liberal's rulebook 'Repeat a lie until it becomes the truth'.

It's sad, really. Those Anti Psychotic drugs were really helping you, before Obamacare took them away from you. I do hope that you do see the light some day. All of that raw, inflamed hatred is bad for your health.

You're a real prize, the best you can do is make up shit and resort to
ad hominem attacks?
Click to expand...

I was only following your silly lead.

You basically went in the toilet when a black man was elected president.
You've only gotten worse.
Click to expand...

Is that the best lie that you can come up with? He is only partly black, and he was never much of a man. Just the kind that you worship.

> Keep it up with your diatribes, it only makes you look stupid.

Continuing to post under the name of a business that you ran into the ground years ago makes you look like a super genius?

I really don't care what you think. Even though I wasn't on any of the newsgroups, I sent emails to people with information during that time. That included you, although I knew that you would never acknowledge any of them. One was where to find help with a HP scope. I won't waste any more time with you. Just keep channeling Skippy.
 
On 4/14/19 12:06 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:
[ snip ]
More right wing echo chamber comments.

blah blah blah

I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
A lot you all know.

In the L.A. area channel 6 is an over the air Analog Channel !
It is the only one but it is there.

We also have a plethora of digital channels with very little useful
content unless you like to watch commercials.
 
On 4/14/19 9:49 AM, OGG wrote:
In the L.A. area channel 6 is an over the air Analog Channel !
It is the only one but it is there.
Click to expand...

I moved to Texas in September of 2009.
So I'm no longer focused on what happens in LA.


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On Sunday, April 14, 2019 at 10:48:45 AM UTC-4, OGG wrote:
A lot you all know.

In the L.A. area channel 6 is an over the air Analog Channel !
It is the only one but it is there.

We also have a plethora of digital channels with very little useful
content unless you like to watch commercials.
Click to expand...

Call letters? The only Ch6 that I see listed for that area is KSFV-CD, a LPTV station with a 360 watt signal that is transmitted on UHF Channel 22. I ran more power than that to cover the Ft. Greely Army base in the '70s. I had Ch8, and 650 Watts on a 130' tower on the WW-II part of the base.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Los_Angeles_television_stations
 
Yes, Im aware of that, but dont answer my question. Can the audio
portion be received by my receiver or not?
Click to expand...

OP

NO your analog receiver cannot receive the audio portion of a digital TV transmission.

m
 
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
<terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

>the thing is useless.

It still works well as an audio amp for computer sound, using the AUX
input. Sounds a lot better than those so called (crap) "amplified
computer speakers".
 
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