Am I misremembering?

[Michael A. Terrell]

Alan Rutlidge wrote:

"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:32:13 +0900, "Alan Rutlidge"
don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote:

:What, no PET?
:Mind you, if the distance wasn't great, a walk in the sunshine probably
:didn't do any harm.
:

PET's were only issued to long line terminal exchanges, not local service
only
exchanges.

And it was often still raining when I had to walk the route.

:
:We used it charge up high voltage capacitors, bend the leads over and
chuck
:them to an unsuspecting victim whilst yelling - "hey catch this".
:Another trick was to place the lead of a pencil across the 50V bench
power
:supply outlets and drape the hair of a sleeping trainee across it.
:Turn on the power, watch the carbon get quite hot and smoke up his hair.
:Long hair was fashionable in the 70's.

With only 50V dc to play with a charged cap doesn't tickle that much. If
you
wanted to risk it you could always use the -50V main equipment supply and
the
+50V metering supply to get 100V to charge the cap.

It was better if you were at a long line station where 130Vdc was
available.

MiniLab power supplies were a good source of HV above 200 volts and were
often used to charge up the caps.



:
:I won't even begin to tell you what we did with a roll of jumper wire,
the
:ring output from a ringer rack and a toilet seat. (evil grin)
:


We weren't so keen to have a law suit brought against us...

Our best trick was to install a magneto bell under the floorboards of a
lecture
room connected to the pabx ringer machine and a foot operated switch under
a
desk. During the lecture the instructor thought the phone was ringing and
answered it - several times. After much frustration at hearing dial tone
when
answering the phone he started to become quite angry and suspected the
trainees
of having a joke at his expense. He cleared the room and did a search and
found
the bell and footswitch and ripped the lot out. When we finally
re-assembled to
continue the lecture, an old Westclox alarm clock took off with a raucous
alarm
- this had also been pre-set to go off half an hour before afternoon tea,
and it
was hidden under an upturned rubbish bin near blackboard. That was the
final
straw. The instructor saw red and picked the clock up and hurled it
against the
wall. He was a broken man, and the lecture was over for the day.

We did get another lecture from the principal the next day....

At one stage pagers were all the go. Keith Perry had a pet hate for them,
especially if they went off in his class.
In one of his classes there were so many interruptions from the beeping
pagers he decided he had to get the message across that the constant
interruptions from the beeping wasn't appreciated. So he talked to one of
the guys from sales and acquired a pager.

At the beginning of the day he asked all the students who had pagers with
them to switch them off. Knowing full well most would not he arranged with
one of the other instructors to ring his pager. As soon as the pager beeped
he ripped it off his belt and took to it with hammer, smashing it to bits on
the table in front of the students, muttering something on the lines "... I
bloody hate these pager thingies..." As one can imagine, all the students
who had pagers on them immediately checked to make sure their pagers were
turned off.

Now of course Keith wouldn't have really smashed his pager to bits - he
actually did it to a dummy display model he got from the sales guys.
His own pager which did go off was safe inside his pocket. Never the less
it had a lasting effect. The word quickly got around not to bring your
pager into Keith's classes for fear it may suffer a similar fate. If only I
could achieve such success with mobile phones. :-(

You need a jack hammer!


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[Ross Herbert]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:38:16 +0900, "Alan Rutlidge"
<don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote:

:
:"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
:news:elu1h4hqmvn1i9jli4m1plska4jch2i2eu@4ax.com...
:> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:22:43 +0900, "Alan Rutlidge"
:> <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote:
:>
:> :
:> :"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
:> :news:u19vg49u5uursecqjape7cqo42852urj8t@4ax.com...
:> :> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:45:23 +0900, "Alan Rutlidge"
:> :> <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :Hi Ross,
:> :> :
:> :> :2 pair internal is still the standard cable used these days.
:> :> :I've probably still got one of these modules tucked away in the junk
:> :> parts
:> :> :bin.
:> :> :
:> :> :Cheers,
:> :> :Alan
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :>
:> :> I wouldn't mind grabbing it off you to add to my collection of
:> :> memorabilia....
:> :
:> :How many metres or feet of it do you want Ross?
:> :
:> :
:>
:> Not the 2pr cable - I have heaps of that already.
:
:Sorry, obviously the anti-tinkle module. When if dig it out you are welcome
:to have it.
:
:Cheers,
:Alan
:

OK, email me and we'll sort out the cost.

Ross

 

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Alan Rutlidge wrote:

"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:eru1h4d7103bc49obc1mi7h4bkeolsovbp@4ax.com...
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:32:13 +0900, "Alan Rutlidge"
don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote:

:What, no PET?
:Mind you, if the distance wasn't great, a walk in the sunshine
probably
:didn't do any harm.
:

PET's were only issued to long line terminal exchanges, not local
service
only
exchanges.

And it was often still raining when I had to walk the route.

:
:We used it charge up high voltage capacitors, bend the leads over and
chuck
:them to an unsuspecting victim whilst yelling - "hey catch this".
:Another trick was to place the lead of a pencil across the 50V bench
power
:supply outlets and drape the hair of a sleeping trainee across it.
:Turn on the power, watch the carbon get quite hot and smoke up his
hair.
:Long hair was fashionable in the 70's.

With only 50V dc to play with a charged cap doesn't tickle that much.
If
you
wanted to risk it you could always use the -50V main equipment supply
and
the
+50V metering supply to get 100V to charge the cap.

It was better if you were at a long line station where 130Vdc was
available.

MiniLab power supplies were a good source of HV above 200 volts and were
often used to charge up the caps.



:
:I won't even begin to tell you what we did with a roll of jumper wire,
the
:ring output from a ringer rack and a toilet seat. (evil grin)
:


We weren't so keen to have a law suit brought against us...

Our best trick was to install a magneto bell under the floorboards of a
lecture
room connected to the pabx ringer machine and a foot operated switch
under
a
desk. During the lecture the instructor thought the phone was ringing
and
answered it - several times. After much frustration at hearing dial
tone
when
answering the phone he started to become quite angry and suspected the
trainees
of having a joke at his expense. He cleared the room and did a search
and
found
the bell and footswitch and ripped the lot out. When we finally
re-assembled to
continue the lecture, an old Westclox alarm clock took off with a
raucous
alarm
- this had also been pre-set to go off half an hour before afternoon
tea,
and it
was hidden under an upturned rubbish bin near blackboard. That was the
final
straw. The instructor saw red and picked the clock up and hurled it
against the
wall. He was a broken man, and the lecture was over for the day.

We did get another lecture from the principal the next day....

At one stage pagers were all the go. Keith Perry had a pet hate for
them,
especially if they went off in his class.
In one of his classes there were so many interruptions from the beeping
pagers he decided he had to get the message across that the constant
interruptions from the beeping wasn't appreciated. So he talked to one
of
the guys from sales and acquired a pager.

At the beginning of the day he asked all the students who had pagers with
them to switch them off. Knowing full well most would not he arranged
with
one of the other instructors to ring his pager. As soon as the pager
beeped
he ripped it off his belt and took to it with hammer, smashing it to bits
on
the table in front of the students, muttering something on the lines "...
I
bloody hate these pager thingies..." As one can imagine, all the
students
who had pagers on them immediately checked to make sure their pagers were
turned off.

Now of course Keith wouldn't have really smashed his pager to bits - he
actually did it to a dummy display model he got from the sales guys.
His own pager which did go off was safe inside his pocket. Never the
less
it had a lasting effect. The word quickly got around not to bring your
pager into Keith's classes for fear it may suffer a similar fate. If
only I
could achieve such success with mobile phones. :-(


You need a jack hammer!

Actually a small ball pien hammer will probably do the trick.
The problem is the student is likely to sue you for punative damages as well
as the cost of the mobile phone. :-(
Oh what a sheltered world it is that we live in.
In the good ol' days you could simply confiscate an offending item until
class was over or send the student out of the room to reconsider their
situation, but not these days. Politcal correctness and all that rot taken
to its extreme. :-(

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[Michael A. Terrell]

Alan Rutlidge wrote:

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Alan Rutlidge wrote:

"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:32:13 +0900, "Alan Rutlidge"
don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote:

:What, no PET?
:Mind you, if the distance wasn't great, a walk in the sunshine
probably
:didn't do any harm.
:

PET's were only issued to long line terminal exchanges, not local
service
only
exchanges.

And it was often still raining when I had to walk the route.

:
:We used it charge up high voltage capacitors, bend the leads over and
chuck
:them to an unsuspecting victim whilst yelling - "hey catch this".
:Another trick was to place the lead of a pencil across the 50V bench
power
:supply outlets and drape the hair of a sleeping trainee across it.
:Turn on the power, watch the carbon get quite hot and smoke up his
hair.
:Long hair was fashionable in the 70's.

With only 50V dc to play with a charged cap doesn't tickle that much.
If
you
wanted to risk it you could always use the -50V main equipment supply
and
the
+50V metering supply to get 100V to charge the cap.

It was better if you were at a long line station where 130Vdc was
available.

MiniLab power supplies were a good source of HV above 200 volts and were
often used to charge up the caps.



:
:I won't even begin to tell you what we did with a roll of jumper wire,
the
:ring output from a ringer rack and a toilet seat. (evil grin)
:


We weren't so keen to have a law suit brought against us...

Our best trick was to install a magneto bell under the floorboards of a
lecture
room connected to the pabx ringer machine and a foot operated switch
under
a
desk. During the lecture the instructor thought the phone was ringing
and
answered it - several times. After much frustration at hearing dial
tone
when
answering the phone he started to become quite angry and suspected the
trainees
of having a joke at his expense. He cleared the room and did a search
and
found
the bell and footswitch and ripped the lot out. When we finally
re-assembled to
continue the lecture, an old Westclox alarm clock took off with a
raucous
alarm
- this had also been pre-set to go off half an hour before afternoon
tea,
and it
was hidden under an upturned rubbish bin near blackboard. That was the
final
straw. The instructor saw red and picked the clock up and hurled it
against the
wall. He was a broken man, and the lecture was over for the day.

We did get another lecture from the principal the next day....

At one stage pagers were all the go. Keith Perry had a pet hate for
them,
especially if they went off in his class.
In one of his classes there were so many interruptions from the beeping
pagers he decided he had to get the message across that the constant
interruptions from the beeping wasn't appreciated. So he talked to one
of
the guys from sales and acquired a pager.

At the beginning of the day he asked all the students who had pagers with
them to switch them off. Knowing full well most would not he arranged
with
one of the other instructors to ring his pager. As soon as the pager
beeped
he ripped it off his belt and took to it with hammer, smashing it to bits
on
the table in front of the students, muttering something on the lines "...
I
bloody hate these pager thingies..." As one can imagine, all the
students
who had pagers on them immediately checked to make sure their pagers were
turned off.

Now of course Keith wouldn't have really smashed his pager to bits - he
actually did it to a dummy display model he got from the sales guys.
His own pager which did go off was safe inside his pocket. Never the
less
it had a lasting effect. The word quickly got around not to bring your
pager into Keith's classes for fear it may suffer a similar fate. If
only I
could achieve such success with mobile phones. :-(


You need a jack hammer!

Actually a small ball pien hammer will probably do the trick.

True, but the jack hammer would get their attention, and make enough
noise that they couldn't use their cell phones, without destroying
them. Too bad the greenies got the freon powered sports horns outlawed.

The problem is the student is likely to sue you for punative damages as well
as the cost of the mobile phone. :-(
Oh what a sheltered world it is that we live in.
In the good ol' days you could simply confiscate an offending item until
class was over or send the student out of the room to reconsider their
situation, but not these days. Politcal correctness and all that rot taken
to its extreme. :-(

The only way to correct rot is to hack it out, with its roots.


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[John]

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:50:13 +1100, "John" <john@junk.com> wrote:

When I was a kid (in the 70s) the family house had a phone extension in my
parents' bedroom.
I remember being told that Telstra (or whatever they used to be called
then...) should not find out because they would charge us more for the phone
service, or we would get in trouble for tampering with the installation, or
some such thing.

Was this ever actually the case?


In Australia? Sure was. Furthermore, without being a registered cabler

you still are not permitted to tamper with phone wiring in your house
beyond plugging in permitted accessories with the Austel certification
or equivalent. The fine is $AU1,200. I've only heard of it being
applied to sparkies doing telco work without the training and
registration. However, it's the only penalty the ACMA had on the books
last I heard (a couple of years back). BTW, 10% GST is applicable to
the fine so it's $1,320 out of your pocket if you ever get done!

John

 

[aussiblu]

Hmm so what good or service do they claim to be providing to the
culprit.


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[aussiblu]

I suggest that if anyone tries adding GST to any fines they
consult a tax accountant; a fine is not about paying
consideration for provision of an agreed good or service.

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An essential requirement of a taxable supply is that the supply
is made for consideration.F2 GSTR 2001/4 explains that, for
there to be a supply for consideration, three fundamental
criteria must be met:
ˇ
there must be a supply,
ˇ
there must be a payment, and
ˇ
there must be sufficient nexus between the supply and the
payment for it to be a supply for consideration.F3

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[aussiblu]

unless of course some forbearance is involved; i.e if you pay
this fine we won't proceed with prosecution... or if you pay
the fine Telstra agree not to impose some greater penalty - the
payment is not just a fine but provides some other
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Reference was
http://www.ato.gov.au/taxprofessionals/content.asp?doc=/Content/37338.htm&page=1#P429_48864

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[John]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:16:12 GMT, "aussiblu"
<zxaussiblu@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hmm so what good or service do they claim to be providing to the
culprit.

Yeah, I pondered that but got the info from an instructor first hand
while doing a registered cabler course. I've since seen the fine cited
in the media as $1,320 (without separate mention of tax) so that kinda
confirms it. As far as I can figure, it's not actually a fine. And
it's not imposed by Telstra either. It's a fee by the ACMA for their
services in managing this industry self-regulation. Doublespeak...

Yeah, I reckon it's a fine line (pun intended) but just don't get
sprung to test it. If they were to hit you with it, I suspect you'll
be kicking and screaming like a stuck pig - but still done like bacon
regardless of what you pay for your legal advice...

John

 

[aussiblu]

I see:
http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib310155/web%20pdf%20acmasphere_21.pdf
page 9 you are totally right.

"ACMA has issued an on-the-spot fine
to a telecommunications cabler
working without a current
registration. Doing any cabling work
that involves connection to the
telecommunications network without
a cabler registration is against the
law. During an investigation into a
complaint about non-compliant
cabling work, a routine check of the
cabler's registration revealed that it
lapse. The cabler was issued a
telecommunications infringement
notice, incurring an on-the-spot fine
of $1,320."


and
http://www.cepu-sant.com.au/documents/e-bulletin_5_telecommunications_15-6-07.pdf

"ACMA cracks down on shoddy cabling work

The Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) has at
last taken some action against
poor work practices in the customer cabling sector. It has
issued its first infringement notice against a
cabler whose work did not comply with the standards set out
under the Cabling Provider Rules
(CPRs). The cabler, who in fact was not even registered, will
face a penalty payment of $1320.

Despite well recognised compliance problems in the customer
cabling sector, the ACMA has been
reluctant in the past to impose penalties on individual cablers
who are often being driven to take short
cuts by their employers or by the pressures of the
sub-contracting business. ACMA has preferred to
use its powers to require cablers to make good faulty work
rather than fine them. Unfortunately this
has led some in the industry to see ACMA as a "toothless tiger".

The CEPU recognises the pressures that individual cablers face
in today's industry. But the union also
believes that protection of standards and skills in the industry
is in its members' best interests. Non-
compliant work represents a safety issue for all those who work
on telecommunications networks,
both customer cablers and field technicians. And no-one except
the employer gains when skills are
downgraded in the industry."


and http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_1455#16
What happens if I do not comply with the Telecommunications Act
or the CPRs?
ACMA has a range of options available. ACMA may simply issue a
formal warning notice to the cabler, issue a non-compliance
notice to the telecommunications carrier (who may disconnect
dangerous cabling from the network), issue a telecommunications
infringement notice to the cabler (this is an on-the-spot fine
of $1,320), or if the matter is serious enough, ACMA can take
court prosecution action with the cabler. A court prosecution
may result in a conviction and/or a fine of up to $13,200.

For example, if you are an unregistered cabler who is not
properly supervised or if the work performed does not comply
with the Wiring Rules it is a criminal offence and you could
face an on-the-spot fine of $1,320, or if court action is taken,
the fine can be up to $13,200. "





Most importantly the explanation for the GST charge is in the
Act that underpins the Telco Providers rules here
http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/telcomm/cabling/telecomcablingprovrules2000.pdf



http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/ActCompilation1.nsf/0/E4A72D40840ED3D8CA257479001F89EC/$file/Tele1997_WD02.doc



Is a payment in consideration (penalty) payable instead of
prosecution so the offender agrees to pay in consideration of
them not prosecuting so they can charge GST. The culprit gets
off being prosecuted by agreeing to pay the penalty.

"

434 Offence in relation to contravening condition

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if:

(a) the person is the holder of a cabling
licence that authorises the performance of a particular type of
cabling work; and

(b) the person performs cabling work of
that type; and

(c) the performance of that work
contravenes a condition to which the licence is subject.

Penalty: 100 penalty units.

Note 1: See also sections 4AA and 4B of the Crimes Act
1914.

Note 2: See also Division 13 of this Part (which deals
with the payment of penalties as an alternative to prosecution).

(2) A person is guilty of an offence if:

(a) the person is the holder of a cabling
licence that authorises the performance of a particular type of
cabling work; and

(b) the person engages in conduct; and

(c) the result of the person's conduct is
a failure to take all reasonable steps to ensure that cabling
work of that type performed under the person's supervision does
not contravene the conditions of the licence.

Penalty: 100 penalty units.

Note 1: See also sections 4AA and 4B of the Crimes Act
1914.

Note 2: See also Division 13 of this Part (which deals
with the payment of penalties as an alternative to prosecution).

(3) In this section:

engage in conduct means:

(a) do an act; or

(b) omit to perform an act.



snip~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Division 13-Penalties payable instead of prosecution

453A Penalties payable instead of prosecution

(1) The regulations may make provision in relation
to enabling a person who is alleged to have committed an offence
of a kind referred to in the following table to pay to the
Commonwealth, as an alternative to prosecution, a penalty of an
amount worked out in accordance with subsection (2).

(2) The amount of penalty payable to the
Commonwealth under regulations made for the purposes of
subsection (1) in respect of an offence is determined using the
following table:



Penalties payable



Item
Alleged offence
Penalty for individual
Penalty for body corporate

1
subsection 399(1)
12 penalty units
60 penalty units

2
subsection 411(2)
12 penalty units
60 penalty units

3
subsection 413(2)
12 penalty units
60 penalty units

4
subsection 414(2)
12 penalty units
60 penalty units

5
subsection 415(2)
12 penalty units
60 penalty units

6
subsection 416(2)
12 penalty units
60 penalty units

7
subsection 417(2)
6 penalty units
30 penalty units

8
subsection 420(2)
12 penalty units
60 penalty units

9
subsection 421(4)
12 penalty units
60 penalty units

10
subsection 434(1) or (2)
12 penalty units
60 penalty units






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[Ross Herbert]

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:37:04 +1100, Bob Parker <bobp.deletethis@bluebottle.com>
wrote:

:On 31/10/2008 17:03 K Ludger wrote:
:> "Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
:> news:6mvk8gFi96elU1@mid.individual.net...
:>> "John"
:>>> When I was a kid (in the 70s) the family house had a phone extension in
:>>> my parents' bedroom.
:>>> I remember being told that Telstra (or whatever they used to be called
:>>> then...) should not find out because they would charge us more for the
:>>> phone service, or we would get in trouble for tampering with the
:>>> installation, or some such thing.
:>>>
:>>> Was this ever actually the case?
:>>
:>> ** Yep.
:>>
:>>
:>>
:>>
:>> ........ Phil
:>>
:>
:>
:> The jumper king who lived in the MDF room would test lines, I think doing a
:> polarity reversal and see how long the meter needle took to fall back,
:> giving an indication of the capacitance on across the line. More phones =
:> more capacitance.
:>
:> IIRC the phones could be strapped share a single cap and still retain the
:> bell in each phone.
:>
:>
:
: I worked in an exchange once ... what's a 'jumper king'? The place
:had air conditioning and we didn't wear jumpers.
:
: Yep, during a line test we could see how much capacitance there was
:by watching the meter. Lots of times it was obvious that there was more
:than one phone on the line, but I don't remember anyone ever doing
:anything about it.
:
: The later 800 series 'colour' phones could be set up with only a
:single capacitor on the line for more than one phone. I can't quite
:remember if that was possible on the older 300 & 400 series bakelite phones.
:
:
:Bob

When I sarted in the PMG in 1956 the standard phone was the 300 series and I
carried out many parallel and portable installations in subsequent years. In
order to reduce "bell tinkling" while dialling from a parallel phone the bell
circuit capacitor in the second (or third) phones had to be disconnected. A 3
wire parallel connection was employed so that the only capacitor in all of the
parallel phones was that in bell circuit of the first, or primary phone. All of
the bells in the paralleled phones were effectively in parallel and in series
with the capacitor in the primary phone. As far as the test desk "capacitor
kick" test is concerned, when all phones are on-hook, there is almost no
difference (if any at all) in the meter indication compared to when only a
single phone is connected to the line.

A typical 300 series portable connection illustrates the principle of parallel
connection. While this circuit indicates the use of a fixed bellset and a single
portable phone (with handle), the PMG in WA did not use this method AFAIK. The
standard method was that a primary, or "fixed", telephone had to be the first
connection point (in a similar manner to a standard parallel service) and this
was the only phone where the bell capacitor was in circuit.
http://www.britishtelephones.com/aus/300port.htm

Since all 300 series (and earlier) phones used a permanent hardwired connection
via a fixed terminal block (except where a portable service was used) there was
little chance (apart from someone ripping the incoming cable or line cord from
the terminal block) that a phone could be disconnected at the premises, so the
capacitor kick from the phone was a very reliable indication of the line
condition.

Ever since the mid 1930's when 162AT and the superior 232AT were the standard
phones in Australia there has been a provision for a 3rd wire to allow a
parallel phone connection using only a single capacitor in the bell circuit. In
fact there is probably no reason that earlier models than these could not be
connected in parallel using only a single capacitor in the bell circuit.
http://www.britishtelephones.com/aus/232cbt.htm

The early 800 series phones were essentially improved versions of the older 300
and 400 series phones and still used a magneto bell as the ring indicator. When
these were paralleled a 3 wire circuit had to be used similar to the 300/400
series.

The latest of the 800 series phones (eg. 8081) were essentially "all electronic"
and the ring indicator was either a 2" loudspeaker or a piezo sounder and these
phones could be effectively connected in parallel using a 2 wire connection.

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Bobby" <bob@bobsville.com> wrote in message
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"John" <john@junk.com> wrote in message
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When I was a kid (in the 70s) the family house had a phone extension in
my parents' bedroom.
I remember being told that Telstra (or whatever they used to be called
then...) should not find out because they would charge us more for the
phone service, or we would get in trouble for tampering with the
installation, or some such thing.

Was this ever actually the case?



Where I came from in Africa we used drums. If the Chief caught you
strapping an extension drum to your back you were in big trouble - you
were put into the pot and cooked.

LOL - best contribution to this thread so far.