Altronics solder - any good?

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Dennis

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Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does it work
ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115
 
Dennis wrote:
Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
it work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115
**It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy Multicore
solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of Bucks more, but I've
never had a problem with the stuff. For a few cents more than that, you can
buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I use. I've tried some of the cheap stuff
and experienced good and bad results. For my money, I'd rather pay a few
Dollars more for guaranteed decent solder.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
"Trevor Wilson"
Dennis wrote:
Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
it work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115

**It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy Multicore
solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of Bucks more, but I've
never had a problem with the stuff. For a few cents more than that, you
can buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I use. I've tried some of the cheap
stuff and experienced good and bad results. For my money, I'd rather pay a
few Dollars more for guaranteed decent solder.

** The RS code is: 554 939

Multicore "Savbit" resin cored solder, 500gms in 1.2 mm diameter.

Pb = 48.5% Sn = 50% Cu = 1.5%

$24.00 + gst and free delivery for on-line orders.

Been using it for decades.


..... Phil
 
cant see there being a problem with it. 60% tin , 40 % lead and resin
cored , EXACTLY like the jaycar duratech solder which i was JUST
using . works as it should, !!



"Dennis" <Dennis@blibber.com> wrote in message
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Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does it
work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115
 
no need to buy savbit if you have a quality soldering iron like " goot :"
with a long life tip



"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:93bj0rFnvhU1@mid.individual.net...
"Trevor Wilson"
Dennis wrote:
Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
it work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115

**It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy Multicore
solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of Bucks more, but
I've never had a problem with the stuff. For a few cents more than that,
you can buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I use. I've tried some of the
cheap stuff and experienced good and bad results. For my money, I'd
rather pay a few Dollars more for guaranteed decent solder.


** The RS code is: 554 939

Multicore "Savbit" resin cored solder, 500gms in 1.2 mm diameter.

Pb = 48.5% Sn = 50% Cu = 1.5%

$24.00 + gst and free delivery for on-line orders.

Been using it for decades.


.... Phil
 
"Phil Allison"
"Trevor Wilson"
Dennis wrote:
Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
it work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115

**It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy Multicore
solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of Bucks more, but
I've never had a problem with the stuff. For a few cents more than that,
you can buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I use. I've tried some of the
cheap stuff and experienced good and bad results. For my money, I'd
rather pay a few Dollars more for guaranteed decent solder.


** The RS code is: 554 939

Multicore "Savbit" resin cored solder, 500gms in 1.2 mm diameter.

Pb = 48.5% Sn = 50% Cu = 1.5%

$24.00 + gst and free delivery for on-line orders.

Been using it for decades.

** The addition of 1.5% copper to the alloy reduces the melting point and
increases both mechanical strength and resistance to thermal cycling cracks.

It also DRAMATICALLY reduces the tendency for the solder to dissolve fine
copper tracks and wires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder#Alloying_element_roles

See the table on Solder Alloys under Savbit (right hand column).

The Ersin flux used is one of the best too, solders tarnished leads better
than any other.



..... Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:93bqn5Fa0pU1@mid.individual.net...
"Phil Allison"
"Trevor Wilson"
Dennis wrote:
Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
it work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115

**It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy Multicore
solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of Bucks more, but
I've never had a problem with the stuff. For a few cents more than that,
you can buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I use. I've tried some of the
cheap stuff and experienced good and bad results. For my money, I'd
rather pay a few Dollars more for guaranteed decent solder.


** The RS code is: 554 939

Multicore "Savbit" resin cored solder, 500gms in 1.2 mm diameter.

Pb = 48.5% Sn = 50% Cu = 1.5%

$24.00 + gst and free delivery for on-line orders.

Been using it for decades.


** The addition of 1.5% copper to the alloy reduces the melting point and
increases both mechanical strength and resistance to thermal cycling
cracks.

It also DRAMATICALLY reduces the tendency for the solder to dissolve fine
copper tracks and wires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder#Alloying_element_roles

See the table on Solder Alloys under Savbit (right hand column).

The Ersin flux used is one of the best too, solders tarnished leads better
than any other.



.... Phil
Cheers Trevour & Phil. The RS price is much better than Farnell too. I
remember when buying from RS was a last resort, nowadays they are often
cheaper than other suppliers I use.
Thanks
 
"Dennis"
** The RS code is: 554 939

Multicore "Savbit" resin cored solder, 500gms in 1.2 mm diameter.

Pb = 48.5% Sn = 50% Cu = 1.5%

$24.00 + gst and free delivery for on-line orders.

Been using it for decades.


** The addition of 1.5% copper to the alloy reduces the melting point and
increases both mechanical strength and resistance to thermal cycling
cracks.

It also DRAMATICALLY reduces the tendency for the solder to dissolve fine
copper tracks and wires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder#Alloying_element_roles

See the table on Solder Alloys under Savbit (right hand column).

The Ersin flux used is one of the best too, solders tarnished leads
better than any other.

Cheers Trevour & Phil. The RS price is much better than Farnell too. I
remember when buying from RS was a last resort, nowadays they are often
cheaper than other suppliers I use.

** Element 14 ( aka Farnell) want $39.17 + for the same thing.

But it hardly matters as a 500gm reel lasts me for such a long time.



.... Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:93brunFi57U1@mid.individual.net...
"Dennis"

** The RS code is: 554 939

Multicore "Savbit" resin cored solder, 500gms in 1.2 mm diameter.

Pb = 48.5% Sn = 50% Cu = 1.5%

$24.00 + gst and free delivery for on-line orders.

Been using it for decades.


** The addition of 1.5% copper to the alloy reduces the melting point
and increases both mechanical strength and resistance to thermal cycling
cracks.

It also DRAMATICALLY reduces the tendency for the solder to dissolve
fine copper tracks and wires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder#Alloying_element_roles

See the table on Solder Alloys under Savbit (right hand column).

The Ersin flux used is one of the best too, solders tarnished leads
better than any other.

Cheers Trevour & Phil. The RS price is much better than Farnell too. I
remember when buying from RS was a last resort, nowadays they are often
cheaper than other suppliers I use.


** Element 14 ( aka Farnell) want $39.17 + for the same thing.

But it hardly matters as a 500gm reel lasts me for such a long time.



... Phil
True
 
Phil Allison wrote:
"Phil Allison"
"Trevor Wilson"
Dennis wrote:
Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
it work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115

**It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy
Multicore solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of
Bucks more, but I've never had a problem with the stuff. For a few
cents more than that, you can buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I
use. I've tried some of the cheap stuff and experienced good and
bad results. For my money, I'd rather pay a few Dollars more for
guaranteed decent solder.


** The RS code is: 554 939

Multicore "Savbit" resin cored solder, 500gms in 1.2 mm diameter.

Pb = 48.5% Sn = 50% Cu = 1.5%

$24.00 + gst and free delivery for on-line orders.

Been using it for decades.


** The addition of 1.5% copper to the alloy reduces the melting point
and increases both mechanical strength and resistance to thermal
cycling cracks.
It also DRAMATICALLY reduces the tendency for the solder to dissolve
fine copper tracks and wires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder#Alloying_element_roles

See the table on Solder Alloys under Savbit (right hand column).
**Now that is interesting.

The Ersin flux used is one of the best too, solders tarnished leads
better than any other.
**Indeed. I see no reason why anyone would use anything else.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
"Trevor Wilson"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder#Alloying_element_roles

See the table on Solder Alloys under Savbit (right hand column).

**Now that is interesting.

** Well, Multicore's Savbit has been on continuous sale for over 50 years -
so it DESERVED a mention on Wiki.

I have a 500gm reel of 60/40 with " no clean " flux and a 250gm reel of "
lead free " that are only suitable for paper weights IMO.




..... Phil
 
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:93c14oFnanU2@mid.individual.net...
Phil Allison wrote:
"Phil Allison"
"Trevor Wilson"
Dennis wrote:
Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
it work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115

**It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy
Multicore solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of
Bucks more, but I've never had a problem with the stuff. For a few
cents more than that, you can buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I
use. I've tried some of the cheap stuff and experienced good and
bad results. For my money, I'd rather pay a few Dollars more for
guaranteed decent solder.


** The RS code is: 554 939

Multicore "Savbit" resin cored solder, 500gms in 1.2 mm diameter.

Pb = 48.5% Sn = 50% Cu = 1.5%

$24.00 + gst and free delivery for on-line orders.

Been using it for decades.


** The addition of 1.5% copper to the alloy reduces the melting point
and increases both mechanical strength and resistance to thermal
cycling cracks.
It also DRAMATICALLY reduces the tendency for the solder to dissolve
fine copper tracks and wires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder#Alloying_element_roles

See the table on Solder Alloys under Savbit (right hand column).

**Now that is interesting.


The Ersin flux used is one of the best too, solders tarnished leads
better than any other.

**Indeed. I see no reason why anyone would use anything else.
I like using 511 crystal flux for hand smd stuff, wets very nicely and you
can get away without cleaning sometimes. Oh, it smells good too, I can't
describe it but its a pleasant smell.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On Mon, 16 May 2011 14:32:39 +0930, "no one" <krawczuk@adam.com.au> wrote:

:no need to buy savbit if you have a quality soldering iron like " goot :"
:with a long life tip

Even good quality iron-clad tips will benefit from using Savbit.

Back in the 60's before Savbit hit the shores of Oz our soldering irons were on
8 hours a day every day and standard copper tips would have to be constantly
refurbished and replaced every few weeks. After Savbit arrived the same tips
would last around 6 months or more. When iron-clad tips became the norm you only
had to replace the tips once every couple of years depending on use.

:
:
:"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
:news:93bj0rFnvhU1@mid.individual.net...
:>
:> "Trevor Wilson"
:>> Dennis wrote:
:>>> Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
:>>> it work ok? Flux ok?
:>>>
:>>> Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......
:>>>
:>>> http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115
:>>
:>> **It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy Multicore
:>> solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of Bucks more, but
:>> I've never had a problem with the stuff. For a few cents more than that,
:>> you can buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I use. I've tried some of the
:>> cheap stuff and experienced good and bad results. For my money, I'd
:>> rather pay a few Dollars more for guaranteed decent solder.
:>
:>
:> ** The RS code is: 554 939
:>
:> Multicore "Savbit" resin cored solder, 500gms in 1.2 mm diameter.
:>
:> Pb = 48.5% Sn = 50% Cu = 1.5%
:>
:> $24.00 + gst and free delivery for on-line orders.
:>
:> Been using it for decades.
:>
:>
:> .... Phil
:>
:>
:>
:>
:
 
"Ross Herbert"
Even good quality iron-clad tips will benefit from using Savbit.

Back in the 60's before Savbit hit the shores of Oz our soldering irons
were on
8 hours a day every day and standard copper tips would have to be
constantly
refurbished and replaced every few weeks. After Savbit arrived the same
tips
would last around 6 months or more. When iron-clad tips became the norm
you only
had to replace the tips once every couple of years depending on use.

**See link:

https://www1.elfa.se/data1/wwwroot/assets/datasheets/M-POFA_eng_datasheet.pdf

The graph for "breakage time" of 0.067mm copper wire is interesting.

I sometimes need to resolder the hair fine wires as used in microphone
diaphragms and reverb tank drive coils - the wire is enamelled copper of
about 0.03mm dia and resistance of about 50 ohms per metre.

A hot, well whetted iron tip must be applied long enough to burn off the
enamel coating, but not too long or there is soon no wire left !!!

There is a table showing Savbit as having a tensile strength of 3.5 tons per
sq inch.


..... Phil
 
"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:70d534ba-3d03-49cc-94e3-5ab0d0de3516@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 16, 12:56 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
Dennis wrote:
Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
it work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115

**It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy Multicore
solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of Bucks more, but I've
never had a problem with the stuff. For a few cents more than that, you
can
buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I use. I've tried some of the cheap stuff
and experienced good and bad results. For my money, I'd rather pay a few
Dollars more for guaranteed decent solder.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

Ironically, the 1.2mm Savbit from RS is actually a couple of $
cheaper than the Altronics solder.

When you take into account the free freight for online orders via RS,
it is a LOT cheaper.

==================

I think the Altronics one is 1Kg & the RS one is 500g.
The RS free freight is a good incentive.
 
On May 16, 12:56 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
Dennis wrote:
Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
it work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115

**It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy Multicore
solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of Bucks more, but I've
never had a problem with the stuff. For a few cents more than that, you can
buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I use. I've tried some of the cheap stuff
and experienced good and bad results. For my money, I'd rather pay a few
Dollars more for guaranteed decent solder.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

Ironically, the 1.2mm Savbit from RS is actually a couple of $
cheaper than the Altronics solder.

When you take into account the free freight for online orders via RS,
it is a LOT cheaper.
 
hi, but what situation would require :" There is a table showing Savbit as
having a tensile strength of 3.5 tons per
sq inch.


:"



"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:93e5vjF8m6U1@mid.individual.net...
"Ross Herbert"

Even good quality iron-clad tips will benefit from using Savbit.

Back in the 60's before Savbit hit the shores of Oz our soldering irons
were on
8 hours a day every day and standard copper tips would have to be
constantly
refurbished and replaced every few weeks. After Savbit arrived the same
tips
would last around 6 months or more. When iron-clad tips became the norm
you only
had to replace the tips once every couple of years depending on use.


**See link:

https://www1.elfa.se/data1/wwwroot/assets/datasheets/M-POFA_eng_datasheet.pdf

The graph for "breakage time" of 0.067mm copper wire is interesting.

I sometimes need to resolder the hair fine wires as used in microphone
diaphragms and reverb tank drive coils - the wire is enamelled copper
of about 0.03mm dia and resistance of about 50 ohms per metre.

A hot, well whetted iron tip must be applied long enough to burn off the
enamel coating, but not too long or there is soon no wire left !!!

There is a table showing Savbit as having a tensile strength of 3.5 tons
per sq inch.


.... Phil
 
"no one"
hi, but what situation would require :" There is a table showing Savbit as
having a tensile strength of 3.5 tons per sq inch.

** Relative to the other solders - it is close to the best.

Tensile strength affects the chance of cracks developing in joints under
mechanical stress.

I see solder joints under mechanical stress every day - and I see the
results of it too.

Happens whenever anything heavy is held onto a PCB by solder pads alone -
ie large electros, small transformers, WW resistors and TO220 transistors
mounted proud of the board etc.



..... Phil
 
On May 18, 1:24 pm, "Dennis" <Den...@blibber.com> wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:70d534ba-3d03-49cc-94e3-5ab0d0de3516@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 16, 12:56 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:



Dennis wrote:
Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
it work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115

**It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy Multicore
solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of Bucks more, but I've
never had a problem with the stuff. For a few cents more than that, you
can
buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I use. I've tried some of the cheap stuff
and experienced good and bad results. For my money, I'd rather pay a few
Dollars more for guaranteed decent solder.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

Ironically, the 1.2mm  Savbit from RS is actually a couple of $
cheaper than the Altronics solder.

When you take into account the free freight for online orders via RS,
it is a LOT cheaper.

=================
I think the Altronics one is 1Kg & the RS one is 500g.
The RS free freight is a good incentive.

I based it on the price of 2x 500g rolls (RS). VS a 1kg roll from
Altronics.

I would rather have the 2 x 500g, than 1kg as if you do field work,
smaller rolls are less weight to lug around in a tool box,
and less risk of harm if they fall from a height - like if you are up
a ladder.
 
"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:039c1e54-b4bb-4954-a6ee-c9f1cb04229d@17g2000prr.googlegroups.com...
On May 18, 1:24 pm, "Dennis" <Den...@blibber.com> wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:70d534ba-3d03-49cc-94e3-5ab0d0de3516@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 16, 12:56 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:



Dennis wrote:
Has any one experience with the Altronics noname Pb/Sn solder, does
it work ok? Flux ok?

Just wanted to check before I put down my $50.......

http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=T1115

**It might be very good solder, BUT, why wouldn't you just buy Multicore
solder from RS Components? It'll cost you a couple of Bucks more, but
I've
never had a problem with the stuff. For a few cents more than that, you
can
buy the 'Savbit' stuff. It's all I use. I've tried some of the cheap
stuff
and experienced good and bad results. For my money, I'd rather pay a few
Dollars more for guaranteed decent solder.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

Ironically, the 1.2mm Savbit from RS is actually a couple of $
cheaper than the Altronics solder.

When you take into account the free freight for online orders via RS,
it is a LOT cheaper.

==================

I think the Altronics one is 1Kg & the RS one is 500g.
The RS free freight is a good incentive.

I based it on the price of 2x 500g rolls (RS). VS a 1kg roll from
Altronics.

I would rather have the 2 x 500g, than 1kg as if you do field work,
smaller rolls are less weight to lug around in a tool box,
and less risk of harm if they fall from a height - like if you are up
a ladder.

================================

Soldering up a ladder - sounds like fun....
 

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