all electric cars in europe...

[Jasen Betts]

On 2022-03-23, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637-9726-e31c216a4a90n@googlegroups.com>,
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.



So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
out battery power not too far from home.

Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a \'red neck air
conditioner\' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
powering it.

You only need to charge electrically enough to unlock the transmission
after that you can be towed and charge by using the cars much more
powerful in-built generator. A steel cable can transfer more kilowatts
than a copper cable of the same size.

--
Jasen.

 

[Rickster]

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 2:00:59 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2022-03-23, Ralph Mowery <rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
edward....@gmail.com says...

I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.



So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
out battery power not too far from home.

Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a \'red neck air
conditioner\' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
powering it.
You only need to charge electrically enough to unlock the transmission
after that you can be towed and charge by using the cars much more
powerful in-built generator. A steel cable can transfer more kilowatts
than a copper cable of the same size.

You don\'t know what the car can handle. Towing a car is not a simple matter. They normally lift the driven wheels. If that would be the front wheels, I think leaving them on the roadway makes for an interesting tow.

--

Rick C.

-+--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:10:04 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:13:29 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
edward....@gmail.com says...

I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

Anyway, i signed up for \"Good Sam\" road service before the trip.. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn\'t expect to use it so soon.

First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

After several phone calls to \"Good Sam\", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.

The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it\'s taking. I gave home $20 tips.

Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again.. Sort
of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
do not run the heat or air ?
No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).

They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it\'s the owner\'s (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?
Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.
If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they\'ve never had to tow one.
Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.
Why don\'t you start that business?

In due course. First, they (google or cruise) need to be approved for FSD. Then we can order a custom version with battery and charger inside. It\'s going to be a Leaf club, just for older EV and Tesla charging at Nissan dealers. I have seen a few, don\'t know why they need to do that.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:53:45 AM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 2:00:59 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-03-23, Ralph Mowery <rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
edward....@gmail.com says...

I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.



So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
out battery power not too far from home.

Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a \'red neck air
conditioner\' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
powering it.
You only need to charge electrically enough to unlock the transmission

release motor parking lock, since there is no transmission. need to charge from 10% SOC (complete failure) to 15% SOC (can shift into neutral). 20% SOC is drivable.

after that you can be towed and charge by using the cars much more
powerful in-built generator. A steel cable can transfer more kilowatts
than a copper cable of the same size.
You don\'t know what the car can handle. Towing a car is not a simple matter. They normally lift the driven wheels. If that would be the front wheels, I think leaving them on the roadway makes for an interesting tow.

and not sure if it will regenerate properly if towing backward by jacking up the back wheels.

 

[server]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, \"Tom Del Rosso\"
fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

They didn\'t say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
bicycle, but they won\'t say what they really want.

Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
leadership doesn\'t want that.

When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
lane was actually reserved for them.

We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
bicycles.

Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
unlike Amtrak they don\'t even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4

I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
of service were available in the US, what\'s so \"freedom\" about driving.

Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

It\'s funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
Malibu and Martha\'s Vineyard and Hawaii.

And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Ed Lee]

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 7:32:00 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:10:04 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:13:29 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
edward....@gmail.com says...

I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

Anyway, i signed up for \"Good Sam\" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn\'t expect to use it so soon.

First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

After several phone calls to \"Good Sam\", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.

The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it\'s taking. I gave home $20 tips.

Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
do not run the heat or air ?
No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).

They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it\'s the owner\'s (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?
Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.
If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they\'ve never had to tow one.
Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.
Why don\'t you start that business?

In due course. First, they (google or cruise) need to be approved for FSD.. Then we can order a custom version with battery and charger inside. It\'s going to be a Leaf club, just for older EV and Tesla charging at Nissan dealers. I have seen a few, don\'t know why they need to do that.

I am going to call this self driving flat bed (not truck or trailer) the \"Leaf Rack\".

 

[bitrex]

On 3/24/2022 11:45 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, \"Tom Del Rosso\"
fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

They didn\'t say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
bicycle, but they won\'t say what they really want.

Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
leadership doesn\'t want that.

When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
lane was actually reserved for them.

We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
bicycles.

Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
unlike Amtrak they don\'t even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4

I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
of service were available in the US, what\'s so \"freedom\" about driving.

Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

It\'s funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
Malibu and Martha\'s Vineyard and Hawaii.

Describes a tiny fraction of \"greenies.\" Like 1% of them, perhaps...

And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.

Man when was the last time you ever waited for a bus or had to eat
lentils cuz you didn\'t have a choice in the matter, 1972? No one\'s ever
going to force you to do any of that, you\'re fine.

 

[Carl]

On 3/24/22 11:52, Ed Lee wrote:

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 7:32:00 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:10:04 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:13:29 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
edward....@gmail.com says...

I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

Anyway, i signed up for \"Good Sam\" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn\'t expect to use it so soon.

First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

After several phone calls to \"Good Sam\", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.

The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it\'s taking. I gave home $20 tips.

Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
do not run the heat or air ?
No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).

They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it\'s the owner\'s (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?
Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.
If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they\'ve never had to tow one.
Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.
Why don\'t you start that business?

In due course. First, they (google or cruise) need to be approved for FSD. Then we can order a custom version with battery and charger inside. It\'s going to be a Leaf club, just for older EV and Tesla charging at Nissan dealers. I have seen a few, don\'t know why they need to do that.

I am going to call this self driving flat bed (not truck or trailer) the \"Leaf Rack\".

Saw this link on another board, thought some humor would be welcome
here: https://twitter.com/hkuppy/status/1402825213956472836

--
Regards,
Carl

 

[bitrex]

On 3/24/2022 1:36 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

bitrex wrote:
On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, \"Tom Del Rosso\"
fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale
generating and distribution systems take a long time to build. And
need fuel.

They didn\'t say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They
said only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
bicycle, but they won\'t say what they really want.

Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
leadership doesn\'t want that.

When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat
cat Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the
left lane was actually reserved for them.

We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
bicycles.

Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
unlike Amtrak they don\'t even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4

I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this
class of service were available in the US, what\'s so \"freedom\" about
driving. The highways are clogged up with idiot morons you just put
your life and tens of thousands worth of car on the line anytime you
go significant distance, and us young Gen Xers don\'t have that many
paid-off assets to spare...

What\'s so \"freedom\" is that people are free to choose driving and they
do. The reasons are different in different areas but it\'s just practical
to have the flexibility.

I think older people had more of an experience relating the automobile
to concepts of \"freedom\" than younger people do at this point. There was
indeed more freedom at that time things weren\'t as built up, more space
to go and have your own adventures.

By the time I got my hands on a car those place were fast evaporating
everything was a strip mall, homes & condos and most places looked very
much like every other place, why drive 50 miles to go to some other mega
mall that looks exactly like the one 5 miles away.

And you could take your girl out on a ride to the country for a romantic
interlude and there wasn\'t 50,000 police officers in black SUVs up your
ass everywhere you go looking for \"loiterers\" and shining a flashlight
in your face anytime you stop somewhere for 5 minutes that\'s not for the
purposes of buying something. \"What are you kids up to? Everyone ok?\" etc.

Japan would fit easily between you and Chicago. For those distances
planes are more practical. Japan even had a custom \"commuter\" version of
the 747 made only for them, with smaller tanks and modifications to last
for many short trips.

Fuel was what, 50 cent a gallon at that point which likely helped. Still
probably burned 20% of their gross just taking off on a hop like that.

It\'s remarkable anyone ever thought passenger air travel would be easy
money & the list of defunct commercial airlines was long even when fuel
was cheap.

If the business hadn\'t been invented yet and you described the hustle to
an investor \"Well we\'re going to launch a few hundred people through the
air at 35,000 feet in an aluminum tube and this scheme is really going
to bring in the bucks\" I think the investor might invest in a hot dog
factory instead seems like a safer bet.

 

[server]

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:56:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/24/2022 11:45 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, \"Tom Del Rosso\"
fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

They didn\'t say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
bicycle, but they won\'t say what they really want.

Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
leadership doesn\'t want that.

When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
lane was actually reserved for them.

We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
bicycles.

Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
unlike Amtrak they don\'t even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4

I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
of service were available in the US, what\'s so \"freedom\" about driving.

Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

It\'s funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
Malibu and Martha\'s Vineyard and Hawaii.

Describes a tiny fraction of \"greenies.\" Like 1% of them, perhaps...

And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.


Man when was the last time you ever waited for a bus or had to eat
lentils cuz you didn\'t have a choice in the matter, 1972? No one\'s ever
going to force you to do any of that, you\'re fine.

\"Man\"? I guess Uncle Joe has brought that expression back from ancient
times.

Gas prices are going to push a lot of people onto trains and busses
and long walks to finish up trips. That\'s partly by design.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[bitrex]

On 3/24/2022 1:17 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:56:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/24/2022 11:45 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, \"Tom Del Rosso\"
fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

They didn\'t say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
bicycle, but they won\'t say what they really want.

Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
leadership doesn\'t want that.

When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
lane was actually reserved for them.

We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
bicycles.

Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
unlike Amtrak they don\'t even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4

I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
of service were available in the US, what\'s so \"freedom\" about driving.

Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

It\'s funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
Malibu and Martha\'s Vineyard and Hawaii.

Describes a tiny fraction of \"greenies.\" Like 1% of them, perhaps...

And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.


Man when was the last time you ever waited for a bus or had to eat
lentils cuz you didn\'t have a choice in the matter, 1972? No one\'s ever
going to force you to do any of that, you\'re fine.


\"Man\"? I guess Uncle Joe has brought that expression back from ancient
times.

If \"Uncle Joe\" were really Uncle Joe I figure America would look much
different by this point & it doesn\'t look much different to me.

Gas prices are going to push a lot of people onto trains and busses
and long walks to finish up trips. That\'s partly by design.

I have learned that when a market figures it can bilk some extra bucks
and figures that people can afford to pay it and will pay it that\'s what
it tends to do. Only a real Uncle Joe could set the price of gasoline by
fiat and I don\'t think this one is that.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:29:24 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/24/2022 1:17 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:56:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/24/2022 11:45 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, \"Tom Del Rosso\"
fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

They didn\'t say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
bicycle, but they won\'t say what they really want.

Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
leadership doesn\'t want that.

When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
lane was actually reserved for them.

We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
bicycles.

Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
unlike Amtrak they don\'t even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4

I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
of service were available in the US, what\'s so \"freedom\" about driving.

Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

It\'s funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
Malibu and Martha\'s Vineyard and Hawaii.

Describes a tiny fraction of \"greenies.\" Like 1% of them, perhaps...

And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.


Man when was the last time you ever waited for a bus or had to eat
lentils cuz you didn\'t have a choice in the matter, 1972? No one\'s ever
going to force you to do any of that, you\'re fine.


\"Man\"? I guess Uncle Joe has brought that expression back from ancient
times.

If \"Uncle Joe\" were really Uncle Joe I figure America would look much
different by this point & it doesn\'t look much different to me.

Gas prices are going to push a lot of people onto trains and busses
and long walks to finish up trips. That\'s partly by design.

I have learned that when a market figures it can bilk some extra bucks
and figures that people can afford to pay it and will pay it that\'s what
it tends to do.

We talked about that in Economics 101. Economic forces determine
supply and demand and prices. Everybody naturally charges what they
can get. One of the few rational things that government does here is
antitrust law.

Only a real Uncle Joe could set the price of gasoline by
fiat and I don\'t think this one is that.

No, but his team is doing a lot to discourage gasoline and NG
production. California too, with gas near $7 a gallon.

The price of gas doesn\'t bother me (short commute, engineer\'s income)
but I feel sorry for low-wage workers with long commutes, or people
who need a pickup truck to make their living.

We love the Saturday farmers\' market, but the sellers have to get up
before dawn and drive 100 miles each way to sell us carrots.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Ed Lee]

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:29:24 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 3/24/2022 1:17 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:56:46 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 3/24/2022 11:45 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, \"Tom Del Rosso\"
fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

They didn\'t say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
bicycle, but they won\'t say what they really want.

Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
leadership doesn\'t want that.

When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
lane was actually reserved for them.

We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
bicycles.

Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
unlike Amtrak they don\'t even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4

I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
of service were available in the US, what\'s so \"freedom\" about driving.

Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

It\'s funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
Malibu and Martha\'s Vineyard and Hawaii.

Describes a tiny fraction of \"greenies.\" Like 1% of them, perhaps...

And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.


Man when was the last time you ever waited for a bus or had to eat
lentils cuz you didn\'t have a choice in the matter, 1972? No one\'s ever
going to force you to do any of that, you\'re fine.


\"Man\"? I guess Uncle Joe has brought that expression back from ancient
times.

If \"Uncle Joe\" were really Uncle Joe I figure America would look much
different by this point & it doesn\'t look much different to me.

Gas prices are going to push a lot of people onto trains and busses
and long walks to finish up trips. That\'s partly by design.

I have learned that when a market figures it can bilk some extra bucks
and figures that people can afford to pay it and will pay it that\'s what
it tends to do.
We talked about that in Economics 101. Economic forces determine
supply and demand and prices. Everybody naturally charges what they
can get. One of the few rational things that government does here is
antitrust law.
Only a real Uncle Joe could set the price of gasoline by
fiat and I don\'t think this one is that.
No, but his team is doing a lot to discourage gasoline and NG
production. California too, with gas near $7 a gallon.

The price of gas doesn\'t bother me (short commute, engineer\'s income)
but I feel sorry for low-wage workers with long commutes, or people
who need a pickup truck to make their living.

We love the Saturday farmers\' market, but the sellers have to get up
before dawn and drive 100 miles each way to sell us carrots.

It\'s a scheme to push people into EV, especially low end EV. I have many people asking about my Leaf, mainly for a second short commune car.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:34:37 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 7:20:41 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

US and Cal also.

So, who are we going to call for help?

I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.
Is that situation hypothetical or real?
Real. Plugshare show the charger available, but no way to get to it without running the blockage.
Plugshare is updated by users who wish to contribute, like reviews on Google maps.

The Tesla data is a lot more accurate, as their chargers are connected to their system in real time.

I think that\'s true for CalTran network also. Plugshare is pulling data from the machines. So, it\'s correctly showing that the chargers are up and running. But ... And why didn\'t they shut down the machines in unaccessable rest area?

Kingsburg Rest stop (0/2)
South bound complete blockage, no access
Fresno Maintainence Stations (0/4)
All four stations power cables are gone
Frazer Rest Stop (1/4)
Two stations had communication problem.
One station lock in payment option
One station working
CA58/184 (0/2)
One station had communication problem
One station with missing ChaDeMo power cable
Many sites with only one working charger.

I am going to write to CalTran again . They were great at bring them up, but not keeping them up, only after a year or so.
They are not technical engineers.

 

[Rickster]

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:45:39 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, \"Tom Del Rosso\"
fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

They didn\'t say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
bicycle, but they won\'t say what they really want.

Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
leadership doesn\'t want that.

When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
lane was actually reserved for them.

We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
bicycles.

Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
unlike Amtrak they don\'t even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4

I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
of service were available in the US, what\'s so \"freedom\" about driving.
Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

It\'s funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
Malibu and Martha\'s Vineyard and Hawaii.

And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.

It\'s funnier to watch someone post drivel in newsgroups while being completely phobic about having an actual conversation with someone who can challenge him and show him all his logical missteps. Yeah, hilarious. He tries to win arguments by totting out debating techniques used by 6 year olds, calling people funny names.

Well, it\'s funny when it isn\'t so bad as to be pathetic.

--

Rick C.

-+--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rickster]

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 3:26:58 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:34:37 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 7:20:41 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

US and Cal also.

So, who are we going to call for help?

I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.
Is that situation hypothetical or real?
Real. Plugshare show the charger available, but no way to get to it without running the blockage.
Plugshare is updated by users who wish to contribute, like reviews on Google maps.

The Tesla data is a lot more accurate, as their chargers are connected to their system in real time.

I think that\'s true for CalTran network also. Plugshare is pulling data from the machines. So, it\'s correctly showing that the chargers are up and running. But ... And why didn\'t they shut down the machines in unaccessable rest area?

Because it Caltran. It\'s not like they understand anything about BEV charging or care about it.

Kingsburg Rest stop (0/2)
South bound complete blockage, no access
Fresno Maintainence Stations (0/4)
All four stations power cables are gone
Frazer Rest Stop (1/4)
Two stations had communication problem.
One station lock in payment option
One station working
CA58/184 (0/2)
One station had communication problem
One station with missing ChaDeMo power cable
Many sites with only one working charger.

I am going to write to CalTran again . They were great at bring them up, but not keeping them up, only after a year or so.
They are not technical engineers.

I think you and your Leaf are a good match.

--

Rick C.

-+-+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+-+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ed Lee]

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:35:22 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 3:26:58 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:34:37 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 7:20:41 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

US and Cal also.

So, who are we going to call for help?

I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.
Is that situation hypothetical or real?
Real. Plugshare show the charger available, but no way to get to it without running the blockage.
Plugshare is updated by users who wish to contribute, like reviews on Google maps.

The Tesla data is a lot more accurate, as their chargers are connected to their system in real time.

I think that\'s true for CalTran network also. Plugshare is pulling data from the machines. So, it\'s correctly showing that the chargers are up and running. But ... And why didn\'t they shut down the machines in unaccessable rest area?
Because it Caltran. It\'s not like they understand anything about BEV charging or care about it.
Kingsburg Rest stop (0/2)
South bound complete blockage, no access
Fresno Maintainence Stations (0/4)
All four stations power cables are gone
Frazer Rest Stop (1/4)
Two stations had communication problem.
One station lock in payment option
One station working
CA58/184 (0/2)
One station had communication problem
One station with missing ChaDeMo power cable
Many sites with only one working charger.

I am going to write to CalTran again . They were great at bring them up, but not keeping them up, only after a year or so.
They are not technical engineers.
I think you and your Leaf are a good match.

Thank you for your expressed concern and understanding. As you are well aware, EV charging is a mission critical logistic issue. Deplotment of transport readiness must be carefully planned. We believe that it is critical and essential to create a commission to address and to coordinate the important issues across multiple departments.

Major issues are: equipment uptime managements and planned inaccessiblities.. Furthermore, interconnectiblity of sites with limited resources.

But we are certainly doing better than the Russian military.

 

[M Kfivethousand]

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 2:06:33 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:32:03 -0700 (PDT), M Kfivethousand
marik...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:55:20 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:27:09 -0400, \"Tom Del Rosso\"
fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

bitrex wrote:
On 3/18/2022 12:57 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5...@4ax.com>,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and
Japan. All the states chose to be states. We didn\'t have much of a
colonial empire, and don\'t hold any territory by force.




I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states
by force.
Wasn\'t Texas taken from Mexico ?

Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol

And everywhere else is populated by the original inhabitants.
Don\'t ignore animal rights! Nasty invasive humans killed off the
native animal populations who owned the land, well, everywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_animals_extinct_in_the_Holocene

and that\'s just North America.

Some of the extinction may have been natural, but hunter-gatherers
sure didn\'t help.

Do \"original inhabitants\" own the land?

What about herderers
they have an impact too I bet

I myself prefer a nice bit of cheese
The US used to be a cheese desert, but things are better now. Sartori
makes great parmesan. Cowgirl Creamery makes fun stuff. Tillamook
cheddars are good.

\\I am unfortunately limited to Aldis products, which their business model results in their limiting selections to their own brand

I will Will try some of your suggestions but will order by mail

 

[Cydrome Leader]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
q2b93hdrktcvjl33sid25tbbboff7s2cho@4ax.com>:


https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

Northstream2 will work by that time ?

Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
Russia.


was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
not seen in the US in ages.


Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.

One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are
inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.


Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.


The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
All the states chose to be states. We didn\'t have much of a colonial
empire, and don\'t hold any territory by force.

What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything
looks like Dallas.

Lol, everything looks like dallas.

It\'s unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
the defender of europe, the world\'s unwilling policeman.

But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians
will drill before being voted out.

The US is a far more peaceful place than continental europe. Isn\'t there
something like zero recorded years of no wars going on over there? Those
fuckers just can\'t get along at all, for any reason, for any period of
time.

The last war on US soil was 1865.

 

[Ricky]

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:39:26 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
q2b93hdrktcvjl33s...@4ax.com>:


https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

Northstream2 will work by that time ?

Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
Russia.


was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
not seen in the US in ages.


Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.

One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are
inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.


Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.


The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
All the states chose to be states. We didn\'t have much of a colonial
empire, and don\'t hold any territory by force.

What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything
looks like Dallas.

Lol, everything looks like dallas.

It\'s unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
the defender of europe, the world\'s unwilling policeman.

But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians
will drill before being voted out.

The US is a far more peaceful place than continental europe. Isn\'t there
something like zero recorded years of no wars going on over there? Those
fuckers just can\'t get along at all, for any reason, for any period of
time.

The last war on US soil was 1865.

Yeah, if you don\'t count the war on blacks for the next hundred years.

Weren\'t we in a war in Hawaii in 1941? Oh, I guess technically we weren\'t at war until a few days later.

Then there were many, many war actions on US embassies which are considered US soil.

I suppose for the most part though, you are right that we have mostly been able to be aggressive enough to do the fighting elsewhere... other than against blacks.

--

Rick C.

-+-++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+-++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209