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[FMurtz]

What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

 

[Computer Nerd Kev]

FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

I expect what they hope is that they would make a fortune when they
up the cost and leave all the new electric car owners forced to pay
whatever price they set.

It strikes me as the same as an introductory offer, but with a car
as the initial sign-up cost.

As for the feasability of charging that many electric cars on top of
normal summer-time power usage in states where the grid is now already
expected by many to fail under previously seen load conditions, I'm
rather suspicous.

Environmentally it's even more suspicious if the government plans to
make up for supply shortfalls by talking power companies into
sticking with coal.

And for people like me who didn't have a clue what this was all
about at first:

https://content.agl.com.au/energy/electric-vehicle-cost-to-run/

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[Trevor Wilson]

On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
> What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000 cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[FMurtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000 cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000 cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[FMurtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000 cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand teslas
in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would cost AGL
a fortune
On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of the
UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too distant
future, that will be fun.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
> What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

Dunno.

But one thing is certain, once the number of electric cars starts to
impact on petrol sales, governments will be looking to tax them so as to
recover the lost duty and gst revenue.

Sylvia.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000 cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand teslas
in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would cost AGL
a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!

On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of the
UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too distant
future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[FMurtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000
cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most
likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand
teslas in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would
cost AGL a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!

**I'll say it again: TESLAs

On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of
the UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too
distant future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.

If all cars were electric they would probably have to figure out how to
tax highly the electricity used to charge them while not the existing
system ( maybe distance based rego?)and what to do with the collapse of
the existing fuel supply system

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 12/09/2017 7:02 PM, FMurtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000
cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a
similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most
likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand
teslas in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would
cost AGL a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!


**I'll say it again: TESLAs

**And I will say again: There are AT LEAST 1,000 Teslas in Sydney right
now. When the Model 3 arrives, you can expect that figure to increase
significantly.

On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of
the UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too
distant future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


If all cars were electric they would probably have to figure out how to
tax highly the electricity used to charge them while not the existing
system ( maybe distance based rego?)and what to do with the collapse of
the existing fuel supply system

**You're thinking vertically. Every car will have a system that
communicates with the relevant authority and will be charged by distance
travelled on most roads. The existing fuel supply system won't collapse
overnight.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Computer Nerd Kev]

Trevor Wilson <trevor@spamblockrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 12/09/2017 7:02 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000
cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a
similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most
likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand
teslas in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would
cost AGL a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!


**I'll say it again: TESLAs

**And I will say again: There are AT LEAST 1,000 Teslas in Sydney right
now. When the Model 3 arrives, you can expect that figure to increase
significantly.

Which will make AGL very happy when they decide to raise their prices
again.

On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of
the UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too
distant future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


If all cars were electric they would probably have to figure out how to
tax highly the electricity used to charge them while not the existing
system ( maybe distance based rego?)and what to do with the collapse of
the existing fuel supply system

**You're thinking vertically. Every car will have a system that
communicates with the relevant authority and will be charged by distance
travelled on most roads.

I hope not, I don't want my car spying on me (though I'm probably one of
the very few who usually don't have another device spying on them at the
same time anyway).

It seems to me that AGL have solved the government's problem for them in
this regard. Their new $1/day rate is charged on a specific electric car
outlet of a special power meter which has to be installed in order to
access the deal. The government just has to bill AGL, and all those who
copy them, for a percentage of what their meters charge and the system
is back to normal again.

> The existing fuel supply system won't collapse overnight.

Yep, for as long as our civilisation keeps itself together I doubt that
it will ever become impossible for people like us to buy fuel, but at
some point soon it probably won't make sense to keep using it for
personal everyday transport.

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[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet FMurtz wrote:
> What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

Politics again - isn't there a group for this?
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 13/09/2017 4:39 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

Politics again - isn't there a group for this?

Good luck on that one !!!

 

[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet Rheilly Phoull wrote:

On 13/09/2017 4:39 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

Politics again - isn't there a group for this?

Good luck on that one !!!

Thanks.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

 

[FMurtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 12/09/2017 7:02 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but
sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000
cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a
similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most
likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne
right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand
teslas in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would
cost AGL a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!


**I'll say it again: TESLAs

**And I will say again: There are AT LEAST 1,000 Teslas in Sydney right
now.

So of the 1200 pure ev cars that you say are in Sydney, 1000 of them are
TESLAs ?

When the Model 3 arrives, you can expect that figure to increase

significantly.



On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of
the UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too
distant future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


If all cars were electric they would probably have to figure out how
to tax highly the electricity used to charge them while not the
existing system ( maybe distance based rego?)and what to do with the
collapse of the existing fuel supply system

**You're thinking vertically. Every car will have a system that
communicates with the relevant authority and will be charged by distance
travelled on most roads. The existing fuel supply system won't collapse
overnight.

 

[FMurtz]

Sylvia Else wrote:

On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

Dunno.

But one thing is certain, once the number of electric cars starts to
impact on petrol sales, governments will be looking to tax them so as to
recover the lost duty and gst revenue.

Sylvia.

I hesitate to put URLs like this Because if they do not agree with
Trevor's take the articles are bullshit.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/how-many-teslas-does-it-take-to-black-out-an-apartment-block-13934/

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 13/09/2017 11:17 PM, FMurtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 7:02 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but
sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000
cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a
similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most
likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than
1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne
right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand
teslas in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would
cost AGL a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!


**I'll say it again: TESLAs



**And I will say again: There are AT LEAST 1,000 Teslas in Sydney right
now.

So of the 1200 pure ev cars that you say are in Sydney, 1000 of them are
TESLAs ?

**That is my best guess, since Tesla don't provide full sales data.

When the Model 3 arrives, you can expect that figure to increase
significantly.



On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of
the UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too
distant future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


If all cars were electric they would probably have to figure out how
to tax highly the electricity used to charge them while not the
existing system ( maybe distance based rego?)and what to do with the
collapse of the existing fuel supply system

**You're thinking vertically. Every car will have a system that
communicates with the relevant authority and will be charged by distance
travelled on most roads. The existing fuel supply system won't collapse
overnight.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 13/09/2017 11:24 PM, FMurtz wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

Dunno.

But one thing is certain, once the number of electric cars starts to
impact on petrol sales, governments will be looking to tax them so as to
recover the lost duty and gst revenue.

Sylvia.

I hesitate to put URLs like this Because if they do not agree with
Trevor's take the articles are bullshit.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/how-many-teslas-does-it-take-to-black-out-an-apartment-block-13934/

**You stupid lying cunt. I just explained that there are already more
than 1,000 EVs in an Australian city (Sydney). I made no other claims.

Will lots of EVs cause problems in Sydney?

Possibly. If nothing changes.

However, there is another way to view the situation:

Part of the present problem with electricity generation in Australia is
that the electricity generation industry is in a 'death spiral'. People
are using less power, because electricity costs more and appliances are
more efficient. Because less power is being used, power companies have
to raise prices to maintain profitability. A large increase in EVs will
increase electricity demand and require that power companies deliver
more power, thus increasing their profitability.

So, rather than being a bad thing, more EVs may be beneficial for
everyone. Particularly since the uptake is so gradual.

Now, what are the further ramifications?

The petrol/oil industry will likely enter it's 'death spiral' as more
people switch over to EVs and H2 powered vehicles.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[keithr0]

On 9/13/2017 9:03 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Trevor Wilson <trevor@spamblockrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 12/09/2017 7:02 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000
cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a
similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most
likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand
teslas in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would
cost AGL a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!


**I'll say it again: TESLAs

**And I will say again: There are AT LEAST 1,000 Teslas in Sydney right
now. When the Model 3 arrives, you can expect that figure to increase
significantly.

Which will make AGL very happy when they decide to raise their prices
again.

On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of
the UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too
distant future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


If all cars were electric they would probably have to figure out how to
tax highly the electricity used to charge them while not the existing
system ( maybe distance based rego?)and what to do with the collapse of
the existing fuel supply system

**You're thinking vertically. Every car will have a system that
communicates with the relevant authority and will be charged by distance
travelled on most roads.

I hope not, I don't want my car spying on me (though I'm probably one of
the very few who usually don't have another device spying on them at the
same time anyway).

It seems to me that AGL have solved the government's problem for them in
this regard. Their new $1/day rate is charged on a specific electric car
outlet of a special power meter which has to be installed in order to
access the deal. The government just has to bill AGL, and all those who
copy them, for a percentage of what their meters charge and the system
is back to normal again.

The existing fuel supply system won't collapse overnight.

Yep, for as long as our civilisation keeps itself together I doubt that
it will ever become impossible for people like us to buy fuel, but at
some point soon it probably won't make sense to keep using it for
personal everyday transport.

Mazda have a different view of things

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/mazda-s-inconvenient-truth-65066.html?trackLink=articleResults10

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 13/09/2017 9:03 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Trevor Wilson <trevor@spamblockrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 12/09/2017 7:02 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000
cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a
similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most
likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand
teslas in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would
cost AGL a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!


**I'll say it again: TESLAs

**And I will say again: There are AT LEAST 1,000 Teslas in Sydney right
now. When the Model 3 arrives, you can expect that figure to increase
significantly.

Which will make AGL very happy when they decide to raise their prices
again.

**Perhaps. Perhaps not. Either way, more electricity will need to be
supplied, which may allow power companies to climb out of their death
spiral.

On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of
the UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too
distant future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


If all cars were electric they would probably have to figure out how to
tax highly the electricity used to charge them while not the existing
system ( maybe distance based rego?)and what to do with the collapse of
the existing fuel supply system

**You're thinking vertically. Every car will have a system that
communicates with the relevant authority and will be charged by distance
travelled on most roads.

I hope not, I don't want my car spying on me (though I'm probably one of
the very few who usually don't have another device spying on them at the
same time anyway).

**Then you would be one of the very few motorists that doesn't use a
toll tag. That would make driving around any of Australia's major cities
extremely inconvenient.

It seems to me that AGL have solved the government's problem for them in
this regard. Their new $1/day rate is charged on a specific electric car
outlet of a special power meter which has to be installed in order to
access the deal. The government just has to bill AGL, and all those who
copy them, for a percentage of what their meters charge and the system
is back to normal again.

The existing fuel supply system won't collapse overnight.

Yep, for as long as our civilisation keeps itself together I doubt that
it will ever become impossible for people like us to buy fuel, but at
some point soon it probably won't make sense to keep using it for
personal everyday transport.

**Keep imagining that. The fact is that oil is going to become a lot
more expensive and H2 and electricity will be cheaper. The oil companies
will be caught in their own death spiral in a few years. Eventually,
petrol/oil will be so expensive that buying an electric or H2 powered
car will be the preferred way for the vast majority.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au