Absurd, right? The 30 foot phone line

D

Dallas

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I realize this is the electronics.repair group and not a computer group, but
my question is really about wire.

Long story short: I've had 1.5 Mbps DSL for years. I found I could
upgrade to 6.0 Mbps service and did. Earthlink sent me a new modem. New
modem would only get 1.5 Mbps. Two hours on the phone to India and we gave
up and they made a trouble ticket to AT&T to check the line. The AT&T line
guy checked the line to the box on the side of the house and said it was
perfect.

I disconnected the house and plugged in a single 30 foot telephone cord from
the AT&T box directly into the DSL modem. No change, 1.5 Mbps.

Today the guy from India calls and tells me the AT&T guy said the problem
was in the house wires. I said, nope... I disconnected the house and ran a
direct 30 foot wire. He said, "Oh well, the problem could be in that 30
foot wire."

Just a sanity check here before I call them back and start yelling, that's
an absolutely absurd statement isn't it?


Dallas
 
In article <iOKdncx5XuTNL6DVnZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Dallas <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:

Today the guy from India calls and tells me the AT&T guy said the problem
was in the house wires. I said, nope... I disconnected the house and ran a
direct 30 foot wire. He said, "Oh well, the problem could be in that 30
foot wire."

Just a sanity check here before I call them back and start yelling, that's
an absolutely absurd statement isn't it?
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It's not *absolutely* absurd. Just highly improbable.

Just so you can be sure... I'd suggest re-doing the test, with the DSL
modem plugged directly into the demarc connector using a short 6'
cable. If necessary, run a 30' Ethernet cable and a 30' power
extension cord, so that you can move the DSL modem right next to the
demarc. Ideally, plug a laptop computer directly into the DSL modem's
Ethernet port, so that you can eliminate your home Ethernet wiring
from consideration.

Try this with two different 6' phone cords.

If you still get low bandwidth (and I strongly suspect that you
will), call them back and start yelling.

I've found that the phrases "Connected directly to the demarc, with
the house wiring completely disconnected" and "I tried two different
cables, with identical results" work pretty well. This sort of test
result pretty much eliminates the house, and your own equipment, as
the source of the problem.

Another thing to consider: there are a couple of different ways to
check the connection bandwidth. One is to perform an actual
end-to-end bandwidth download test.. it's the surest way to measure
your true download speed, but can be subject to a bunch of confounding
factors (e.g. whether your home Ethernet wiring has problems that are
causing dropped packets, whether the ISP's backbone network or DSLAM
is saturated, etc.).

The other way is to log into the DSL modem's administrative interface,
and ask for the line statistics. It should show you the actual
on-the-wire data connection rate, and the number of data frames which
are being dropped due to transmission errors.

If the DSL modem itself says taht the line rate is 1.6
megabits/second, when the modem is jacked directly into the demarc,
then you *definitely* have line problems that AT&T should fix.

If the DSL modem says that you've got a higher line rate, but you
can't actually download at more than a fraction of that rate, then
the problem lies elsewhere (maybe in your house Ethernet wiring, maybe
in the DSL modem configuration, maybe at the ISP end due to some sort
of data throttling or over-subscription of their backbone).

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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
news:iOKdncx5XuTNL6DVnZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@earthlink.com...
I realize this is the electronics.repair group and not a computer group,
but my question is really about wire.

Long story short: I've had 1.5 Mbps DSL for years. I found I could
upgrade to 6.0 Mbps service and did. Earthlink sent me a new modem. New
modem would only get 1.5 Mbps. Two hours on the phone to India and we
gave up and they made a trouble ticket to AT&T to check the line. The
AT&T line guy checked the line to the box on the side of the house and
said it was perfect.

I disconnected the house and plugged in a single 30 foot telephone cord
from the AT&T box directly into the DSL modem. No change, 1.5 Mbps.

Today the guy from India calls and tells me the AT&T guy said the problem
was in the house wires. I said, nope... I disconnected the house and ran
a direct 30 foot wire. He said, "Oh well, the problem could be in that 30
foot wire."

Just a sanity check here before I call them back and start yelling, that's
an absolutely absurd statement isn't it?


Dallas

If you had the problem with the 30' cable also, that means it is on the
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phone company's side. I HATE dealing with foreign tech support!!! They are
almost always incompetent and always imply you are stupid and don't get what
is going on. Why must we outsource everything from the USA. And people
wonder why there are no jobs here.

Mike
 
"Michael Kennedy" <Mikek400@remthis.comcast.net> wrote in message

I HATE dealing with foreign tech support!!! They are almost always
incompetent and always imply you are stupid
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Absolutely!

They told me to contract one of the area repair guys to check my house wires
*at my expense*.

I asked them, "Why check my house when I've disconnected the house and have
run the line directly to the box?"

"Oh, it might be bad wiring or a filter"....

Then I would repeat myself, "I'm not connected to the house wiring! I'm
directly connected to the phone company!"

Honestly, they really just don't get it and I'm having the problem of their
horrible accents... I really can't understand them half the time.

They're like little robots that have been given a command they don't
understand... "Does not compute, does not compute.... spark... spark..
zzzt".

Grrrr

Dallas
 
"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message

Just so you can be sure... I'd suggest re-doing the test, with the DSL
modem plugged directly into the demarc connector using a short 6'
cable.
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I'd love to but I just don't have the 30' Ethernet cable.

But, I just tested the 30' phone line with a meter and it shows continuity
between all the connector blades and it draws just 2 ohms on each wire, so
it's looks fine. I reconnected the direct connect and am running on it now.
Still no change 1647 download 644 upload.


megabits/second, when the modem is jacked directly into the demarc,
then you *definitely* have line problems that AT&T should fix.
Click to expand...

The AT&T guy connected a laptop to his box and ran his tests with that. He
said the line was good.

I keep getting the feeling that the Earthlink software didn't upgrade the
line to 6.0 Mbps.

:-/

Dallas












If the DSL modem says that you've got a higher line rate, but you
can't actually download at more than a fraction of that rate, then
the problem lies elsewhere (maybe in your house Ethernet wiring, maybe
in the DSL modem configuration, maybe at the ISP end due to some sort
of data throttling or over-subscription of their backbone).

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In article <1JWdnR-KHpOYf6DVnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Dallas <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
The AT&T guy connected a laptop to his box and ran his tests with that.
He said the line was good.

I keep getting the feeling that the Earthlink software didn't upgrade
the line to 6.0 Mbps.
Click to expand...
Access the modem setup and check the stats. That should give you the line
speed. Which has probably got nothing to do with the actual speeds, though.

--
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in message
news:JCm%j.136$dT7.109@newsfe06.lga...
Dallas wrote:

"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message


Just so you can be sure... I'd suggest re-doing the test, with the DSL
modem plugged directly into the demarc connector using a short 6'
cable.


I'd love to but I just don't have the 30' Ethernet cable.

But, I just tested the 30' phone line with a meter and it shows
continuity between all the connector blades and it draws just 2 ohms on
each wire, so it's looks fine. I reconnected the direct connect and am
running on it now. Still no change 1647 download 644 upload.



megabits/second, when the modem is jacked directly into the demarc,
then you *definitely* have line problems that AT&T should fix.



The AT&T guy connected a laptop to his box and ran his tests with that.
He said the line was good.

I keep getting the feeling that the Earthlink software didn't upgrade the
line to 6.0 Mbps.

:-/

Dallas

Look, don't feel bad, I'm being forced higher rates to pay for a speed
that I'm not getting.
Most of the time, I just get above 1 mb, they raised my $rates and told
me that minimum speed is now 5 mb, I still don't get any faster through
put than before and there is no packages for me to get it cheaper..

It's a monopoly and unless a shit load complain, they get away with it.
P.S.
I went through the BS like you, the service tech check the signal in
my area and said "Well, thats the speed", didn't change my bill how ever.

http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"
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A lot of people in the UK find this when they go over to ADSL broadband on a
BT line. They expect to get 8 meg, and can't understand that unless they are
within about a half a copper mile from the exchange, the chances of getting
this are slim to zero, no matter how much they pay. My broadband service is
provided by a cable company and is rated at 20 meg. It pretty much achieves
this most of the time. The cable operator is able to offer packages at
various speeds, and because the actual speed of the cable backbone is
potentially limitless for all practical purposes, given that the ultimate
limiting factor is how often they upgrade their equipment, they are able to
deliver what the customers are paying for. The speeds are capped by them in
their equipment, so are independant of the actual network.

My service started off life some years back at 1meg when the 'standard' was
56k. It was then upgraded FOC to 3 meg, when they upgraded their equipment.
There have since been free upgrades to 10 meg, and then a while back, 20
meg.

If you do have a problem though, it's the Indian call centre, with accents
that you can't understand. It is of absolutely no use at all to tell them
that you are computer savvy, and fully understand rebooting computers and
modems and routers. They go through all this bull anyway, and you are still
no closer at the end. I once lost all my internet service, and when it had
not come back on after several hours, I called to see if they had any
issues. After going through what was not happening, the guy assured me that
the cable in my house was faulty. In turn I assured him that it wasn't as
the FM radio signal that I have delivered with the internet service, was
exactly the same strength at the tuner, as it always was. There then
followed a long exchange where he insisted that they do not provide FM radio
signals on the network ...

Fortunately, I have a very old friend who works for them, so most of the
time, although I don't like disturbing him at work, if I have a problem, I
just give him a call, and he gets it resolved in minutes, by phoning one of
his mates in the appropriate department. I guess I have been spoiled now
with this level of 'service', so I don't know what I will ever do in the
future when he retires ...

Arfa
 
"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:yyt%j.34795$cZ3.31207@newsfe10.ams2...
"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in
message news:JCm%j.136$dT7.109@newsfe06.lga...
Dallas wrote:

"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message


Just so you can be sure... I'd suggest re-doing the test, with the DSL
modem plugged directly into the demarc connector using a short 6'
cable.


I'd love to but I just don't have the 30' Ethernet cable.

But, I just tested the 30' phone line with a meter and it shows
continuity between all the connector blades and it draws just 2 ohms on
each wire, so it's looks fine. I reconnected the direct connect and am
running on it now. Still no change 1647 download 644 upload.



megabits/second, when the modem is jacked directly into the demarc,
then you *definitely* have line problems that AT&T should fix.



The AT&T guy connected a laptop to his box and ran his tests with that.
He said the line was good.

I keep getting the feeling that the Earthlink software didn't upgrade
the line to 6.0 Mbps.

:-/

Dallas

Look, don't feel bad, I'm being forced higher rates to pay for a speed
that I'm not getting.
Most of the time, I just get above 1 mb, they raised my $rates and told
me that minimum speed is now 5 mb, I still don't get any faster through
put than before and there is no packages for me to get it cheaper..

It's a monopoly and unless a shit load complain, they get away with it.
P.S.
I went through the BS like you, the service tech check the signal in
my area and said "Well, thats the speed", didn't change my bill how ever.

http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"


A lot of people in the UK find this when they go over to ADSL broadband on
a BT line. They expect to get 8 meg, and can't understand that unless they
are within about a half a copper mile from the exchange, the chances of
getting this are slim to zero, no matter how much they pay. My broadband
service is provided by a cable company and is rated at 20 meg. It pretty
much achieves this most of the time. The cable operator is able to offer
packages at various speeds, and because the actual speed of the cable
backbone is potentially limitless for all practical purposes, given that
the ultimate limiting factor is how often they upgrade their equipment,
they are able to deliver what the customers are paying for. The speeds are
capped by them in their equipment, so are independant of the actual
network.

My service started off life some years back at 1meg when the 'standard'
was 56k. It was then upgraded FOC to 3 meg, when they upgraded their
equipment. There have since been free upgrades to 10 meg, and then a while
back, 20 meg.

If you do have a problem though, it's the Indian call centre, with accents
that you can't understand. It is of absolutely no use at all to tell them
that you are computer savvy, and fully understand rebooting computers and
modems and routers. They go through all this bull anyway, and you are
still no closer at the end. I once lost all my internet service, and when
it had not come back on after several hours, I called to see if they had
any issues. After going through what was not happening, the guy assured me
that the cable in my house was faulty. In turn I assured him that it
wasn't as the FM radio signal that I have delivered with the internet
service, was exactly the same strength at the tuner, as it always was.
There then followed a long exchange where he insisted that they do not
provide FM radio signals on the network ...

Fortunately, I have a very old friend who works for them, so most of the
time, although I don't like disturbing him at work, if I have a problem, I
just give him a call, and he gets it resolved in minutes, by phoning one
of his mates in the appropriate department. I guess I have been spoiled
now with this level of 'service', so I don't know what I will ever do in
the future when he retires ...

Arfa
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I wish we could do away with call centers in other countries. They are
always clueless and just end up making everyone angry. I think I might
rather have no support than have to talk to a call center that wastes my
time and doesn't do anything to solve my problems. At least with no support
I couldn't be angered by the support staff arguing with me telling me that
something must work if I did what they told me to do. I explain I did
everything they told me to do an it doesn't work.. They say it will work.. I
explain it doesn't. They say again it is impossible.. It must work if you
did this.. And of course no one there has ever actually repaired anything so
they don't know that there can be more than one cause for certain symptoms
and that the book is not always correct.

If you ever need to get a cell phone unlocked NEVER use GSM Liberty
http://www.gsmliberty.net/ They only have a call center in India and refuse
to actually help you or refund your money. I got screwed out of $30 by them.

Sorry for the rant..... I guess I'm still steamed about my ordeal with this
company.
 
"Michael A. Terrell" said:

The attenuation is a lot higher than the proper twisted pair cable.
Click to expand...

Darn... now you've injected doubt on this end of the testing... the 30'
connector is flat silver cable.

I'd like to rule out the wiring after the Phone Company box as the source of
the problem, so a couple of questions:

#1
I called AT&T DSL sales (they own the line) this afternoon and they checked
two sources to confirm I can get 6.0 Mbps service. She couldn't give me the
actual distance, but she said (with great confidence) that she could
"guarantee" 6.0. If I can get 5.0 - 6.0 Mbps service to the box and I run
the 30 foot flat silver connector wire from the box to the modem, is it
likely that the 30' cable could reduce the performance of the line from 6.0
down to 1.0 - 1.5 Mbps?

#2
If I got 30' of twisted pair cable from Fry Electronics and ran it from the
Telco box right up to the modem, would that serve as a 100% test to prove
that the problem wasn't in my house wiring?


Dallas
 
The attenuation is a lot higher than the proper twisted pair cable.


Darn... now you've injected doubt on this end of the testing... the 30'
connector is flat silver cable.

I'd like to rule out the wiring after the Phone Company box as the source of
the problem, so a couple of questions:

#1
I called AT&T DSL sales (they own the line) this afternoon and they checked
two sources to confirm I can get 6.0 Mbps service. She couldn't give me the
actual distance, but she said (with great confidence) that she could
"guarantee" 6.0. If I can get 5.0 - 6.0 Mbps service to the box and I run
the 30 foot flat silver connector wire from the box to the modem, is it
likely that the 30' cable could reduce the performance of the line from 6.0
down to 1.0 - 1.5 Mbps?
Click to expand...
I wouldn't think it would be *that* bad, but I suppose it's possible.

If I got 30' of twisted pair cable from Fry Electronics and ran it from the
Telco box right up to the modem, would that serve as a 100% test to prove
that the problem wasn't in my house wiring?
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If you use CAT-5 or better, I'd certainly think so.

I really do think you should do the "take the DSL modem out to the
demarc and test with a short, good cable" test, even if this means
that you have to temporarily move your computer. That's the best way
to eliminate the whole house-wiring issue completely.

--
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Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
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"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org>
I really do think you should do the "take the DSL modem out to the
demarc and test with a short, good cable" test, even if this means
that you have to temporarily move your computer.
Click to expand...

Groan!... my computer is huge.. the case is a server case and every
connector on the back has a cable in it... not impossible, just slightly
mind-boggling. :- )

I'll try to scrounge up someone's laptop.

Hey... just wanted to say to thanks to everyone - I wasn't expecting as
much good help as I'm getting here on this subject.

Dallas
 
"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org>

The other way is to log into the DSL modem's administrative interface,
and ask for the line statistics.
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I don't know how to read this yet... I'm not sure what it's telling me.

Is the "6016 kbps" an actual throughput or just the connection speed?

WAN Port Statistics

Upstream Speed:768 kbps
Downstream Speed: 6016 kbps
Node-Link 1-PPPoE
Status Up
TxPkts 57459
RxPkts 52601
Errors 0
Tx B/s 0
Rx B/s 0


Dallas
 
In article <2v2dnWXGjfZuBaLVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Dallas <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:

Is the "6016 kbps" an actual throughput or just the connection speed?

WAN Port Statistics

Upstream Speed:768 kbps
Downstream Speed: 6016 kbps
Node-Link 1-PPPoE
Status Up
TxPkts 57459
RxPkts 52601
Errors 0
Tx B/s 0
Rx B/s 0
Click to expand...
That is probably the data-modulation speed which has been negotiated
between the DSLAM and your DSL modem. I suspect that the "B/s" values
at the end are the actual throughput, over the last few seconds of
operation.

The fact that the error count is zero is good news... it suggests that
the modem isn't seeing defective cells/packets.

The next thing to do is to start a download (as fast as possible) and
then re-measure the WAN port statistics and compare them to what
you're seeing on your server. If the upstream and downstream speeds
are still what you see here, but the Tx B/s throughputs are quite a
lot less, then it would suggest that the data is being throttled by
something other than the speed of the DSL connection itself.

This might happen if your ISP has some sort of explicit rate-limiting
or traffic-shaping filters in place, and hasn't yet readjusted them to
account for the fact that your account speed has been upgraded. Or,
it could indicate that your server has too small a TCP receive window,
and that the latency in the DSL connection is delaying the ACK packets
enough to degrade your throughput. Or, it might mean that whatever
site you're downloading from during your speed test isn't able or
willing to feed you at rates greater than around 1.5 megabit.


--
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Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
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"jakdedert" <jakdedert@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:b1N%j.73914$3v1.19953@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Dallas wrote:
"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org
I really do think you should do the "take the DSL modem out to the
demarc and test with a short, good cable" test, even if this means
that you have to temporarily move your computer.


Groan!... my computer is huge.. the case is a server case and every
connector on the back has a cable in it... not impossible, just slightly
mind-boggling. :- )

I'll try to scrounge up someone's laptop.

Hey... just wanted to say to thanks to everyone - I wasn't expecting as
much good help as I'm getting here on this subject.

Dallas



Just get a long ethernet cable and an ac extension cord. The ethernet
doesn't care how far away it is (within reason). Carry the modem out to
the phone box, pop that open and hook it up with a short phone cable (and
the extension cord). Run the CAT5 back into the 'puter and browse
away....

jak
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I?think even wal mart sells Ethernet cables this long so it shouldn't be a
problem to locate one.
 
In article <2v2dnWXGjfZuBaLVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Dallas <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
The other way is to log into the DSL modem's administrative interface,
and ask for the line statistics.

I don't know how to read this yet... I'm not sure what it's telling me.

Is the "6016 kbps" an actual throughput or just the connection speed?
Click to expand...
That's the connection speed which IMHO means your line is fine. What
happens the other side of the exchange is out of your control - or the
phone line provider.

--
*The modem is the message *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
In article <2v2dnWXGjfZuBaLVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Dallas <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
The other way is to log into the DSL modem's administrative interface,
and ask for the line statistics.

I don't know how to read this yet... I'm not sure what it's telling me.

Is the "6016 kbps" an actual throughput or just the connection speed?
Click to expand...
That's the connection speed which IMHO means your line is fine. What
happens the other side of the exchange is out of your control - or the
phone line provider.

--
*The modem is the message *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
"James Sweet" <jamessweet1@trashmail.net> wrote in message

Just go buy a long CAT-5 ethernet cable and plug the modem straight into
the box on the side of the house.
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I didn't realize they were so cheap...

Yup, sounds like the best idea - I'll do it this afternoon.


Dallas
 
In article <1tm2i7.ni2.19.1@news.alt.net>,
Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote:
When I had some problems with noise in the signal here at home, ATT sent
a tech out with his laptop and diagnosed it from this end of the DSLAM.
He was also able to tell me what I could expect speed-wise from this
end. It was interesting looking at the diagnostics on the carrier side
of the signal as I could see why 1.5 Kb/sec was my max in the way of
error correction and retransmissions again, on the carrier side of the
signal. Do they no longer offer this? Do you know it takes some time for
the modem to negotiate or "train" but in your case a week is too long.
Click to expand...
I wonder what parameters they measure that the router test prog can't?

--
*24 hours in a day ... 24 beers in a case ... coincidence? *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
In article <1tm2i7.ni2.19.1@news.alt.net>,
Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote:
When I had some problems with noise in the signal here at home, ATT sent
a tech out with his laptop and diagnosed it from this end of the DSLAM.
He was also able to tell me what I could expect speed-wise from this
end. It was interesting looking at the diagnostics on the carrier side
of the signal as I could see why 1.5 Kb/sec was my max in the way of
error correction and retransmissions again, on the carrier side of the
signal. Do they no longer offer this? Do you know it takes some time for
the modem to negotiate or "train" but in your case a week is too long.
Click to expand...
I wonder what parameters they measure that the router test prog can't?

--
*24 hours in a day ... 24 beers in a case ... coincidence? *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
In article <1tm885.h9j.19.1@news.alt.net>,
Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote:
I wonder what parameters they measure that the router test prog can't?

Don't know. My modem is a Speedstream 5130 and separate from my pc by a
router so I can't access that data.
Click to expand...
Don't see why a router should make any difference to that.

However I would have to assume the tech's diagnostics dove deeper into it
as he was on the phone with another tech. He also had some pager device
that gave him a security code via satellite to allow him to log into
whatever he logged into using my connection.
Click to expand...
All you can really test is the line status. Everything after it depends on
so many variables.

--
*You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
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