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[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

fredag den 24. juli 2020 kl. 22.40.48 UTC+2 skrev Robert Baer:

Started in Win7.1...

Why is it impossible to access a floppy drive, much less COPY a file
from it?

At least, in WinXP i _seems_ easier/possible.

You get only ONE chance to do a DIR A: or equivalent (windows
explorer); \"drive not ready\" or \"please insert disk\" IF there is any
access to the drive at all.
The drive light will go on ONLY ONCE and the drive will never go on
again until power off then power on.
Maybe you will be lucky and get a contents listing (most likely in
WinXP) but you will never be able to COPY from A: to elsewhere.

Damn good thing i still had a Win2K drive to boot from.
There,one can do an A: or equivalent and the FD will continually do
an access until \"fed\" a floppy.

So...how in the HECK can one work with floppies in Win7.1?

you also use punchcards?

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

fredag den 24. juli 2020 kl. 22.40.48 UTC+2 skrev Robert Baer:

Started in Win7.1...

Why is it impossible to access a floppy drive, much less COPY a file
from it?

At least, in WinXP i _seems_ easier/possible.

You get only ONE chance to do a DIR A: or equivalent (windows
explorer); \"drive not ready\" or \"please insert disk\" IF there is any
access to the drive at all.
The drive light will go on ONLY ONCE and the drive will never go on
again until power off then power on.
Maybe you will be lucky and get a contents listing (most likely in
WinXP) but you will never be able to COPY from A: to elsewhere.

Damn good thing i still had a Win2K drive to boot from.
There,one can do an A: or equivalent and the FD will continually do
an access until \"fed\" a floppy.

So...how in the HECK can one work with floppies in Win7.1?

you also use punchcards?

 

[bitrex]

On 7/24/2020 4:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:

  Started in Win7.1...

  Why is it impossible to access a floppy drive, much less COPY a file
from it?

  At least, in WinXP i _seems_ easier/possible.

  You get only ONE chance to do a DIR A: or equivalent (windows
explorer); \"drive not ready\" or \"please insert disk\" IF there is any
access to the drive at all.
  The drive light will go on ONLY ONCE and the drive will never go on
again until power off then power on.
   Maybe you will be lucky and get a contents listing (most likely in
WinXP) but you will never be able to COPY from A: to elsewhere.

  Damn good thing i still had a Win2K drive to boot from.
  There,one can do an A: or equivalent and the FD will continually do
an access until \"fed\" a floppy.

  So...how in the HECK can one work with floppies in Win7.1?

  Thanks.

Your mobo has a floppy connector? Woooow...

 

[bitrex]

On 7/24/2020 4:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:

  Started in Win7.1...

  Why is it impossible to access a floppy drive, much less COPY a file
from it?

  At least, in WinXP i _seems_ easier/possible.

  You get only ONE chance to do a DIR A: or equivalent (windows
explorer); \"drive not ready\" or \"please insert disk\" IF there is any
access to the drive at all.
  The drive light will go on ONLY ONCE and the drive will never go on
again until power off then power on.
   Maybe you will be lucky and get a contents listing (most likely in
WinXP) but you will never be able to COPY from A: to elsewhere.

  Damn good thing i still had a Win2K drive to boot from.
  There,one can do an A: or equivalent and the FD will continually do
an access until \"fed\" a floppy.

  So...how in the HECK can one work with floppies in Win7.1?

  Thanks.

Your mobo has a floppy connector? Woooow...

 

[bitrex]

On 7/24/2020 4:45 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

fredag den 24. juli 2020 kl. 22.40.48 UTC+2 skrev Robert Baer:
Started in Win7.1...

Why is it impossible to access a floppy drive, much less COPY a file
from it?

At least, in WinXP i _seems_ easier/possible.

You get only ONE chance to do a DIR A: or equivalent (windows
explorer); \"drive not ready\" or \"please insert disk\" IF there is any
access to the drive at all.
The drive light will go on ONLY ONCE and the drive will never go on
again until power off then power on.
Maybe you will be lucky and get a contents listing (most likely in
WinXP) but you will never be able to COPY from A: to elsewhere.

Damn good thing i still had a Win2K drive to boot from.
There,one can do an A: or equivalent and the FD will continually do
an access until \"fed\" a floppy.

So...how in the HECK can one work with floppies in Win7.1?

you also use punchcards?

A lot of cheap USB floppy drives say \"plug and play\" but they mean \"plug
and pray.\"

A real MAN would get a 50 pin internal SCSI floppy drive and SCSI
controller card I believe a number of adaptec SCSI-1 cards are still
supported thru win 10. it is also great for your Nakamichi SCSI
CD-changer: <https://i.imgur.com/1Q8LlMr.jpg>

 

[bitrex]

On 7/24/2020 4:45 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

fredag den 24. juli 2020 kl. 22.40.48 UTC+2 skrev Robert Baer:
Started in Win7.1...

Why is it impossible to access a floppy drive, much less COPY a file
from it?

At least, in WinXP i _seems_ easier/possible.

You get only ONE chance to do a DIR A: or equivalent (windows
explorer); \"drive not ready\" or \"please insert disk\" IF there is any
access to the drive at all.
The drive light will go on ONLY ONCE and the drive will never go on
again until power off then power on.
Maybe you will be lucky and get a contents listing (most likely in
WinXP) but you will never be able to COPY from A: to elsewhere.

Damn good thing i still had a Win2K drive to boot from.
There,one can do an A: or equivalent and the FD will continually do
an access until \"fed\" a floppy.

So...how in the HECK can one work with floppies in Win7.1?

you also use punchcards?

A lot of cheap USB floppy drives say \"plug and play\" but they mean \"plug
and pray.\"

A real MAN would get a 50 pin internal SCSI floppy drive and SCSI
controller card I believe a number of adaptec SCSI-1 cards are still
supported thru win 10. it is also great for your Nakamichi SCSI
CD-changer: <https://i.imgur.com/1Q8LlMr.jpg>

 

[Paul]

bitrex wrote:

On 7/24/2020 4:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
Started in Win7.1...

Why is it impossible to access a floppy drive, much less COPY a
file from it?

At least, in WinXP i _seems_ easier/possible.

You get only ONE chance to do a DIR A: or equivalent (windows
explorer); \"drive not ready\" or \"please insert disk\" IF there is any
access to the drive at all.
The drive light will go on ONLY ONCE and the drive will never go on
again until power off then power on.
Maybe you will be lucky and get a contents listing (most likely in
WinXP) but you will never be able to COPY from A: to elsewhere.

Damn good thing i still had a Win2K drive to boot from.
There,one can do an A: or equivalent and the FD will continually do
an access until \"fed\" a floppy.

So...how in the HECK can one work with floppies in Win7.1?

Thanks.

Your mobo has a floppy connector? Woooow...

I use a Mitsui USB floppy, and it will assume the
letter A: if the motherboard has no floppy on the SuperI/O.

I plug in the USB floppy, to run the memtest I\'ve got
on a floppy.

IDK, I\'d probably look in Device Manager for a reason this
particular floppy isn\'t working. If the drive LED
stays on and you can\'t get the door open, that\'s probably
a reversed floppy data cable (to mobo floppy connector).

Floppy disk controllers
Standard floppy disk controller
Floppy disk drives
Floppy disk drive

Note: In BIOS, make sure you aren\'t using one of the more
goofy mode options. There might be something like
this on an older motherboard.

720KB, 1440KB, Japanese 1.2MB 3-mode floppy

Paul

 

[Paul]

bitrex wrote:

On 7/24/2020 4:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
Started in Win7.1...

Why is it impossible to access a floppy drive, much less COPY a
file from it?

At least, in WinXP i _seems_ easier/possible.

You get only ONE chance to do a DIR A: or equivalent (windows
explorer); \"drive not ready\" or \"please insert disk\" IF there is any
access to the drive at all.
The drive light will go on ONLY ONCE and the drive will never go on
again until power off then power on.
Maybe you will be lucky and get a contents listing (most likely in
WinXP) but you will never be able to COPY from A: to elsewhere.

Damn good thing i still had a Win2K drive to boot from.
There,one can do an A: or equivalent and the FD will continually do
an access until \"fed\" a floppy.

So...how in the HECK can one work with floppies in Win7.1?

Thanks.

Your mobo has a floppy connector? Woooow...

I use a Mitsui USB floppy, and it will assume the
letter A: if the motherboard has no floppy on the SuperI/O.

I plug in the USB floppy, to run the memtest I\'ve got
on a floppy.

IDK, I\'d probably look in Device Manager for a reason this
particular floppy isn\'t working. If the drive LED
stays on and you can\'t get the door open, that\'s probably
a reversed floppy data cable (to mobo floppy connector).

Floppy disk controllers
Standard floppy disk controller
Floppy disk drives
Floppy disk drive

Note: In BIOS, make sure you aren\'t using one of the more
goofy mode options. There might be something like
this on an older motherboard.

720KB, 1440KB, Japanese 1.2MB 3-mode floppy

Paul

 

[bitrex]

On 7/24/2020 10:24 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

Microsoft says you don\'t need it.

They just keep removing shit until the only thing left is games. Why do you think I refuse to \"upgrade\" ? Because it is a downgrade.

They scared everyone with viruses, malware and all that shit, but I am fine.

You NEED the latest version. I have been told hackers would use my PC to transmit kiddie porn and the FBI would come knocking. I am on an end user ISP and have no hosting, just how can they do that when I can\'t ?

Get an XP box and transfer it to a USB stick. I will never be without an XP box.

Microsoft historically speaking hasn\'t been much into fixing bugs, bug
fixes don\'t move product, features do.

Sometimes the developers have resorted to doing it on their own time...

 

[bitrex]

On 7/24/2020 10:24 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

Microsoft says you don\'t need it.

They just keep removing shit until the only thing left is games. Why do you think I refuse to \"upgrade\" ? Because it is a downgrade.

They scared everyone with viruses, malware and all that shit, but I am fine.

You NEED the latest version. I have been told hackers would use my PC to transmit kiddie porn and the FBI would come knocking. I am on an end user ISP and have no hosting, just how can they do that when I can\'t ?

Get an XP box and transfer it to a USB stick. I will never be without an XP box.

Microsoft historically speaking hasn\'t been much into fixing bugs, bug
fixes don\'t move product, features do.

Sometimes the developers have resorted to doing it on their own time...

 

[Robert Baer]

bitrex wrote:

On 7/24/2020 4:45 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 24. juli 2020 kl. 22.40.48 UTC+2 skrev Robert Baer:
Started in Win7.1...

    Why is it impossible to access a floppy drive, much less COPY a file
from it?

    At least, in WinXP i _seems_ easier/possible.

    You get only ONE chance to do a DIR A: or equivalent (windows
explorer); \"drive not ready\" or \"please insert disk\" IF there is any
access to the drive at all.
    The drive light will go on ONLY ONCE and the drive will never go on
again until power off then power on.
     Maybe you will be lucky and get a contents listing (most likely in
WinXP) but you will never be able to COPY from A: to elsewhere.

    Damn good thing i still had a Win2K drive to boot from.
    There,one can do an A: or equivalent and the FD will continually do
an access until \"fed\" a floppy.

    So...how in the HECK can one work with floppies in Win7.1?

you also use punchcards? 


A lot of cheap USB floppy drives say \"plug and play\" but they mean \"plug
and pray.\"

A real MAN would get a 50 pin internal SCSI floppy drive and SCSI
controller card I believe a number of adaptec SCSI-1 cards are still
supported thru win 10. it is also great for your Nakamichi SCSI
CD-changer: <https://i.imgur.com/1Q8LlMr.jpg

BINGO!
Remembered i had a few USB external TEAC FDs, tried one WinXP, popped
up as drive B: which is appropriate.
Worked so well i fully expect it to work as easily in Win7.1;
THANKS.

 

[Robert Baer]

bitrex wrote:

On 7/24/2020 4:45 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 24. juli 2020 kl. 22.40.48 UTC+2 skrev Robert Baer:
Started in Win7.1...

    Why is it impossible to access a floppy drive, much less COPY a file
from it?

    At least, in WinXP i _seems_ easier/possible.

    You get only ONE chance to do a DIR A: or equivalent (windows
explorer); \"drive not ready\" or \"please insert disk\" IF there is any
access to the drive at all.
    The drive light will go on ONLY ONCE and the drive will never go on
again until power off then power on.
     Maybe you will be lucky and get a contents listing (most likely in
WinXP) but you will never be able to COPY from A: to elsewhere.

    Damn good thing i still had a Win2K drive to boot from.
    There,one can do an A: or equivalent and the FD will continually do
an access until \"fed\" a floppy.

    So...how in the HECK can one work with floppies in Win7.1?

you also use punchcards? 


A lot of cheap USB floppy drives say \"plug and play\" but they mean \"plug
and pray.\"

A real MAN would get a 50 pin internal SCSI floppy drive and SCSI
controller card I believe a number of adaptec SCSI-1 cards are still
supported thru win 10. it is also great for your Nakamichi SCSI
CD-changer: <https://i.imgur.com/1Q8LlMr.jpg

BINGO!
Remembered i had a few USB external TEAC FDs, tried one WinXP, popped
up as drive B: which is appropriate.
Worked so well i fully expect it to work as easily in Win7.1;
THANKS.

 

[Ricketty C]

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 12:05:20 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 7/24/2020 10:24 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
Microsoft says you don\'t need it.

They just keep removing shit until the only thing left is games. Why do you think I refuse to \"upgrade\" ? Because it is a downgrade.

They scared everyone with viruses, malware and all that shit, but I am fine.

You NEED the latest version. I have been told hackers would use my PC to transmit kiddie porn and the FBI would come knocking. I am on an end user ISP and have no hosting, just how can they do that when I can\'t ?

Get an XP box and transfer it to a USB stick. I will never be without an XP box.


Microsoft historically speaking hasn\'t been much into fixing bugs, bug
fixes don\'t move product, features do.

Sometimes the developers have resorted to doing it on their own time...

That\'s actually a bit of nonsense. Windows 10 is by far the best Windows I\'ve ever seen by a long margin. There are cretins who seem to think XP was a \"good\" Windows, but that\'s just so much BS. That just means the arteries in their brains have hardened enough they can\'t learn anymore.

Windows 10 not only has lots of good features, it has fixed many, many issues. It is the real reason why I continue to put off converting to Linux. The pain has largely subsided, so why bother with starting the pain all over with learning a new system?

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricketty C]

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 12:05:20 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 7/24/2020 10:24 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
Microsoft says you don\'t need it.

They just keep removing shit until the only thing left is games. Why do you think I refuse to \"upgrade\" ? Because it is a downgrade.

They scared everyone with viruses, malware and all that shit, but I am fine.

You NEED the latest version. I have been told hackers would use my PC to transmit kiddie porn and the FBI would come knocking. I am on an end user ISP and have no hosting, just how can they do that when I can\'t ?

Get an XP box and transfer it to a USB stick. I will never be without an XP box.


Microsoft historically speaking hasn\'t been much into fixing bugs, bug
fixes don\'t move product, features do.

Sometimes the developers have resorted to doing it on their own time...

That\'s actually a bit of nonsense. Windows 10 is by far the best Windows I\'ve ever seen by a long margin. There are cretins who seem to think XP was a \"good\" Windows, but that\'s just so much BS. That just means the arteries in their brains have hardened enough they can\'t learn anymore.

Windows 10 not only has lots of good features, it has fixed many, many issues. It is the real reason why I continue to put off converting to Linux. The pain has largely subsided, so why bother with starting the pain all over with learning a new system?

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricketty C]

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 12:05:20 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 7/24/2020 10:24 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
Microsoft says you don\'t need it.

They just keep removing shit until the only thing left is games. Why do you think I refuse to \"upgrade\" ? Because it is a downgrade.

They scared everyone with viruses, malware and all that shit, but I am fine.

You NEED the latest version. I have been told hackers would use my PC to transmit kiddie porn and the FBI would come knocking. I am on an end user ISP and have no hosting, just how can they do that when I can\'t ?

Get an XP box and transfer it to a USB stick. I will never be without an XP box.


Microsoft historically speaking hasn\'t been much into fixing bugs, bug
fixes don\'t move product, features do.

Sometimes the developers have resorted to doing it on their own time...

That\'s actually a bit of nonsense. Windows 10 is by far the best Windows I\'ve ever seen by a long margin. There are cretins who seem to think XP was a \"good\" Windows, but that\'s just so much BS. That just means the arteries in their brains have hardened enough they can\'t learn anymore.

Windows 10 not only has lots of good features, it has fixed many, many issues. It is the real reason why I continue to put off converting to Linux. The pain has largely subsided, so why bother with starting the pain all over with learning a new system?

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[JJ]

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:44:11 -0400, Paul wrote:

I use a Mitsui USB floppy, and it will assume the
letter A: if the motherboard has no floppy on the SuperI/O.

I\'m curious since I haven\'t tried a USB based floppy drive, and considering
that AFAIK, USB based storage devices are mass-storage driven.

Can it be used to create a custom format floppy such as 2MF, XDF, 3M, etc.?
i.e. custom number of sectors per track, interleaved sectors, gap length,
etc.

 

[JJ]

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:44:11 -0400, Paul wrote:

I use a Mitsui USB floppy, and it will assume the
letter A: if the motherboard has no floppy on the SuperI/O.

I\'m curious since I haven\'t tried a USB based floppy drive, and considering
that AFAIK, USB based storage devices are mass-storage driven.

Can it be used to create a custom format floppy such as 2MF, XDF, 3M, etc.?
i.e. custom number of sectors per track, interleaved sectors, gap length,
etc.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 25. juli 2020 kl. 07.02.32 UTC+2 skrev Ricketty C:

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 12:05:20 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 7/24/2020 10:24 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
Microsoft says you don\'t need it.

They just keep removing shit until the only thing left is games. Why do you think I refuse to \"upgrade\" ? Because it is a downgrade.

They scared everyone with viruses, malware and all that shit, but I am fine.

You NEED the latest version. I have been told hackers would use my PC to transmit kiddie porn and the FBI would come knocking. I am on an end user ISP and have no hosting, just how can they do that when I can\'t ?

Get an XP box and transfer it to a USB stick. I will never be without an XP box.


Microsoft historically speaking hasn\'t been much into fixing bugs, bug
fixes don\'t move product, features do.

Sometimes the developers have resorted to doing it on their own time...

That\'s actually a bit of nonsense. Windows 10 is by far the best Windows I\'ve ever seen by a long margin. There are cretins who seem to think XP was a \"good\" Windows, but that\'s just so much BS. That just means the arteries in their brains have hardened enough they can\'t learn anymore.

Windows 10 not only has lots of good features, it has fixed many, many issues. It is the real reason why I continue to put off converting to Linux. The pain has largely subsided, so why bother with starting the pain all over with learning a new system?

you can start softly, https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 25. juli 2020 kl. 07.02.32 UTC+2 skrev Ricketty C:

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 12:05:20 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 7/24/2020 10:24 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
Microsoft says you don\'t need it.

They just keep removing shit until the only thing left is games. Why do you think I refuse to \"upgrade\" ? Because it is a downgrade.

They scared everyone with viruses, malware and all that shit, but I am fine.

You NEED the latest version. I have been told hackers would use my PC to transmit kiddie porn and the FBI would come knocking. I am on an end user ISP and have no hosting, just how can they do that when I can\'t ?

Get an XP box and transfer it to a USB stick. I will never be without an XP box.


Microsoft historically speaking hasn\'t been much into fixing bugs, bug
fixes don\'t move product, features do.

Sometimes the developers have resorted to doing it on their own time...

That\'s actually a bit of nonsense. Windows 10 is by far the best Windows I\'ve ever seen by a long margin. There are cretins who seem to think XP was a \"good\" Windows, but that\'s just so much BS. That just means the arteries in their brains have hardened enough they can\'t learn anymore.

Windows 10 not only has lots of good features, it has fixed many, many issues. It is the real reason why I continue to put off converting to Linux. The pain has largely subsided, so why bother with starting the pain all over with learning a new system?

you can start softly, https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 25. juli 2020 kl. 07.02.32 UTC+2 skrev Ricketty C:

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 12:05:20 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 7/24/2020 10:24 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
Microsoft says you don\'t need it.

They just keep removing shit until the only thing left is games. Why do you think I refuse to \"upgrade\" ? Because it is a downgrade.

They scared everyone with viruses, malware and all that shit, but I am fine.

You NEED the latest version. I have been told hackers would use my PC to transmit kiddie porn and the FBI would come knocking. I am on an end user ISP and have no hosting, just how can they do that when I can\'t ?

Get an XP box and transfer it to a USB stick. I will never be without an XP box.


Microsoft historically speaking hasn\'t been much into fixing bugs, bug
fixes don\'t move product, features do.

Sometimes the developers have resorted to doing it on their own time...

That\'s actually a bit of nonsense. Windows 10 is by far the best Windows I\'ve ever seen by a long margin. There are cretins who seem to think XP was a \"good\" Windows, but that\'s just so much BS. That just means the arteries in their brains have hardened enough they can\'t learn anymore.

Windows 10 not only has lots of good features, it has fixed many, many issues. It is the real reason why I continue to put off converting to Linux. The pain has largely subsided, so why bother with starting the pain all over with learning a new system?

you can start softly, https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10