A typical conversation with a Chinese PCB manufacturer - a g

[bitrex]

On 9/27/19 5:44 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 5:02:40 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 9/27/19 3:53 PM, Peter wrote:
It was nothing to do with the zipfile.

It was just some people being incredibly stupid.


You can view it as people being "incredibly stupid" or that in a large
number of jobs other than engineer the employer doesn't want to spend
the money to train the employee how to do the jobs, and the employee
isn't getting paid enough to teach themselves.

I found a bunch of videos on YouTube titled "Malicious Compliance" about employer/employee relations where the company/boss is a dick and are given their comeuppance by doing exactly what they asked for. Often they try hard to explain how bad this may turn out and are given a hard time for trying to be the boss. The worst ones seem to be when the company tries to save money. lol They set such poor rules that things can get pretty bad before they figure it out.

Much like China, US employment laws are laughable and pretty much all CE
- can't enforce. Every service-industry prospective employee puts down
that they have "service industry" experience and every service
industry-job I had in my teens and 20s in the US was sink-or-swim; there
was often some kind of perfunctory training that didn't really teach you
much about what your responsibilities were or how to actually do your
job and you just had to hope your fellow employees who'd been there a
while liked you or you could figure it out yourself or both. and not
screw up too much.

If the latter then they just can you when you make your first bad
screw-up and bring in the next person in line, turnover is high anyway
and there's always another Timmy to make the fries or run the cash
register who gives a shit.

it's kind of a de-facto test of whether you actually have that "service
industry" experience, or not. formalizing it is wasted money and effort
25% of new hires will just suck no matter what you do so let God sort
'em out.

 

[bitrex]

On 9/27/19 6:01 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 9/27/19 5:44 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 5:02:40 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 9/27/19 3:53 PM, Peter wrote:
It was nothing to do with the zipfile.

It was just some people being incredibly stupid.


You can view it as people being "incredibly stupid" or that in a large
number of jobs other than engineer the employer doesn't want to spend
the money to train the employee how to do the jobs, and the employee
isn't getting paid enough to teach themselves.

I found a bunch of videos on YouTube titled "Malicious Compliance"
about employer/employee relations where the company/boss is a dick and
are given their comeuppance by doing exactly what they asked for.
Often they try hard to explain how bad this may turn out and are given
a hard time for trying to be the boss.  The worst ones seem to be when
the company tries to save money.  lol  They set such poor rules that
things can get pretty bad before they figure it out.


Much like China, US employment laws are laughable and pretty much all CE
- can't enforce. Every service-industry prospective employee puts down
that they have "service industry" experience and every service
industry-job I had in my teens and 20s in the US was sink-or-swim; there
was often some kind of perfunctory training that didn't really teach you
much about what your responsibilities were or how to actually do your
job and you just had to hope your fellow employees who'd been there a
while liked you or you could figure it out yourself or both. and not
screw up too much.

I worked for a couple local department store chains as a kid that ran
that policy. They're long gone now. The CEOs are doing fine and the
stockholders made some money so big deal, they were total amateurs
compared to Wal Mart who is much better at it.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 9/27/19 7:21 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 9/27/19 1:00 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qmkurn$1o9i$1@gioia.aioe.org:

This "polite suggestion" worked with another one yesterday,
although asking to find a Chinese who has worked in the same
company for 2 years is pushing it a bit...

They probably have better numbers than the US for worker tenure.
Just because they do not get paid, does not mean it is not modern day
slavery. The only turnover is when they accidentally hire in idiot.

Apparently your old PCB firm is now fooly populated with idiots if
they cannot even open a zip file.

Send the raw files with the extensions changed on those the email
system barfs on, and instructions to re-name the files. Yeah...
they have the aptitude for that, right? I mean they make precision
PCBs but they can't use a computer.

They might've installed some "security" software from Cisco or whatever else
company that was famous many years ago before it went to the dogs. Those
once famous gurus hired a bunch of idiots named "software engineers" who
have never seen anything but Windoze so their "security" software unpacks
zip (or whatever) archives, checks files inside and repacks them back. The
only small problem is that it treats everything as text and it is Windoze
text so it "fixes" the files by converting 0x0a to 0x0d 0x0a (it is how text
files should be, right?) thus corrupting everything beyond repair. There
might be other mechanisms as well but result is always the same -- all
binary files got corrupted in transit.

I had to deal with it at my previous job where corporate IT installed "the
best software available" for checking files on the fly and that was from "a
reputable" company named Cisco. This was used as proxy for everything
including copying files to shared drives so every archive just copied to
shared drive from a Windoze machine got corrupted. We had offices here in
Las Vegas and in Ithaca, NY so it was a nightmare to exchange design files
between offices. Usual hack was renaming those archives to *.pdf so that
stupid software wouldn't touch them (everybody knows that any file named
blah.pdf is a PDF and file extensions always tell what file it is and can't
be faked, right?) but at some point even that failed to work so we had to
resort to overnighting USB sticks with those files. That was easier than to
persuade IT to kill that stupid thing.

It is totally possible they also installed some of those weirdos so they
actually can't open those zip files because they _ALWAYS_ end up corrupted
when sent over the Net. It is difficult to convince IT it is broken because
"everything works fine here" i.e. all office lemmings send their Word and
Excel files without problems.


it would be entirely plausible and somewhat hilarious if their software
was right and he was sending them viruses too

Eh, I dunno 'bout China but here in the US IT in big companies live their
totally own life. They are constantly trying to somehow justify their
existense so they introduce new and new weirdos non-stop up to the point to
making entire infrastructure unusable for anybody but office lemmings who
only know Windoze with its Office and Excel. Engineering stuff is a minority
and it is not them who those higher-ups would listen to so everything is
seemingly OK for them.

It doesn't matter that my Altium machine locks its display every 5 minutes
so if I stop to think for a while I end up with a locked screen. Thanks to
our IT it takes not just entering password but also getting a one-time code
in an SMS sent to my phone and entering it into the login screen to unlock.

Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler. Sold widely, e.g.
<https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4>


Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Sergey Kubushyn]

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 9/27/19 1:00 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qmkurn$1o9i$1@gioia.aioe.org:

This "polite suggestion" worked with another one yesterday,
although asking to find a Chinese who has worked in the same
company for 2 years is pushing it a bit...

They probably have better numbers than the US for worker tenure.
Just because they do not get paid, does not mean it is not modern day
slavery. The only turnover is when they accidentally hire in idiot.

Apparently your old PCB firm is now fooly populated with idiots if
they cannot even open a zip file.

Send the raw files with the extensions changed on those the email
system barfs on, and instructions to re-name the files. Yeah...
they have the aptitude for that, right? I mean they make precision
PCBs but they can't use a computer.

They might've installed some "security" software from Cisco or whatever else
company that was famous many years ago before it went to the dogs. Those
once famous gurus hired a bunch of idiots named "software engineers" who
have never seen anything but Windoze so their "security" software unpacks
zip (or whatever) archives, checks files inside and repacks them back. The
only small problem is that it treats everything as text and it is Windoze
text so it "fixes" the files by converting 0x0a to 0x0d 0x0a (it is how text
files should be, right?) thus corrupting everything beyond repair. There
might be other mechanisms as well but result is always the same -- all
binary files got corrupted in transit.

I had to deal with it at my previous job where corporate IT installed "the
best software available" for checking files on the fly and that was from "a
reputable" company named Cisco. This was used as proxy for everything
including copying files to shared drives so every archive just copied to
shared drive from a Windoze machine got corrupted. We had offices here in
Las Vegas and in Ithaca, NY so it was a nightmare to exchange design files
between offices. Usual hack was renaming those archives to *.pdf so that
stupid software wouldn't touch them (everybody knows that any file named
blah.pdf is a PDF and file extensions always tell what file it is and can't
be faked, right?) but at some point even that failed to work so we had to
resort to overnighting USB sticks with those files. That was easier than to
persuade IT to kill that stupid thing.

It is totally possible they also installed some of those weirdos so they
actually can't open those zip files because they _ALWAYS_ end up corrupted
when sent over the Net. It is difficult to convince IT it is broken because
"everything works fine here" i.e. all office lemmings send their Word and
Excel files without problems.


it would be entirely plausible and somewhat hilarious if their software
was right and he was sending them viruses too

Eh, I dunno 'bout China but here in the US IT in big companies live their
totally own life. They are constantly trying to somehow justify their
existense so they introduce new and new weirdos non-stop up to the point to
making entire infrastructure unusable for anybody but office lemmings who
only know Windoze with its Office and Excel. Engineering stuff is a minority
and it is not them who those higher-ups would listen to so everything is
seemingly OK for them.

It doesn't matter that my Altium machine locks its display every 5 minutes
so if I stop to think for a while I end up with a locked screen. Thanks to
our IT it takes not just entering password but also getting a one-time code
in an SMS sent to my phone and entering it into the login screen to unlock.
It happens almost every 5 minutes because it is not even my primary machine,
it is behind the KVM that is constantly switched to my primary Linux desktop
and back...

They don't care and don't listen. Office lemmings don't use anything else
except their Windoze PCs and they don't have any problems with the files
they use so everything is OK, period.

---
******************************************************************
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
******************************************************************

 

[Robert Baer]

Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 9/27/19 7:21 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 9/27/19 1:00 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qmkurn$1o9i$1@gioia.aioe.org:

This "polite suggestion" worked with another one yesterday,
although asking to find a Chinese who has worked in the same
company for 2 years is pushing it a bit...

     They probably have better numbers than the US for worker tenure.
Just because they do not get paid, does not mean it is not modern day
slavery.  The only turnover is when they accidentally hire in idiot.

    Apparently your old PCB firm is now fooly populated with idiots if
they cannot even open a zip file.

    Send the raw files with the extensions changed on those the email
system barfs on, and instructions to re-name the files.  Yeah...
they have the aptitude for that, right?  I mean they make precision
PCBs but they can't use a computer.

They might've installed some "security" software from Cisco or
whatever else
company that was famous many years ago before it went to the dogs.
Those
once famous gurus hired a bunch of idiots named "software engineers"
who
have never seen anything but Windoze so their "security" software
unpacks
zip (or whatever) archives, checks files inside and repacks them
back. The
only small problem is that it treats everything as text and it is
Windoze
text so it "fixes" the files by converting 0x0a to 0x0d 0x0a (it is
how text
files should be, right?) thus corrupting everything beyond repair.
There
might be other mechanisms as well but result is always the same -- all
binary files got corrupted in transit.

I had to deal with it at my previous job where corporate IT
installed "the
best software available" for checking files on the fly and that was
from "a
reputable" company named Cisco. This was used as proxy for everything
including copying files to shared drives so every archive just
copied to
shared drive from a Windoze machine got corrupted. We had offices
here in
Las Vegas and in Ithaca, NY so it was a nightmare to exchange design
files
between offices. Usual hack was renaming those archives to *.pdf so
that
stupid software wouldn't touch them (everybody knows that any file
named
blah.pdf is a PDF and file extensions always tell what file it is
and can't
be faked, right?) but at some point even that failed to work so we
had to
resort to overnighting USB sticks with those files. That was easier
than to
persuade IT to kill that stupid thing.

It is totally possible they also installed some of those weirdos so
they
actually can't open those zip files because they _ALWAYS_ end up
corrupted
when sent over the Net. It is difficult to convince IT it is broken
because
"everything works fine here" i.e. all office lemmings send their
Word and
Excel files without problems.


it would be entirely plausible and somewhat hilarious if their software
was right and he was sending them viruses too

Eh, I dunno 'bout China but here in the US IT in big companies live their
totally own life. They are constantly trying to somehow justify their
existense so they introduce new and new weirdos non-stop up to the
point to
making entire infrastructure unusable for anybody but office lemmings who
only know Windoze with its Office and Excel. Engineering stuff is a
minority
and it is not them who those higher-ups would listen to so everything is
seemingly OK for them.

It doesn't matter that my Altium machine locks its display every 5
minutes
so if I stop to think for a while I end up with a locked screen.
Thanks to
our IT it takes not just entering password but also getting a one-time
code
in an SMS sent to my phone and entering it into the login screen to
unlock.

Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler.  Sold widely, e.g.
https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4


Cheers

Phil Hobbs


Ya gotza be pretty lazy to waste $18+tax+shipping fur that doozie...

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 7:21:11 PM UTC-4, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 9/27/19 1:00 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qmkurn$1o9i$1@gioia.aioe.org:

This "polite suggestion" worked with another one yesterday,
although asking to find a Chinese who has worked in the same
company for 2 years is pushing it a bit...

They probably have better numbers than the US for worker tenure.
Just because they do not get paid, does not mean it is not modern day
slavery. The only turnover is when they accidentally hire in idiot.

Apparently your old PCB firm is now fooly populated with idiots if
they cannot even open a zip file.

Send the raw files with the extensions changed on those the email
system barfs on, and instructions to re-name the files. Yeah...
they have the aptitude for that, right? I mean they make precision
PCBs but they can't use a computer.

They might've installed some "security" software from Cisco or whatever else
company that was famous many years ago before it went to the dogs. Those
once famous gurus hired a bunch of idiots named "software engineers" who
have never seen anything but Windoze so their "security" software unpacks
zip (or whatever) archives, checks files inside and repacks them back. The
only small problem is that it treats everything as text and it is Windoze
text so it "fixes" the files by converting 0x0a to 0x0d 0x0a (it is how text
files should be, right?) thus corrupting everything beyond repair. There
might be other mechanisms as well but result is always the same -- all
binary files got corrupted in transit.

I had to deal with it at my previous job where corporate IT installed "the
best software available" for checking files on the fly and that was from "a
reputable" company named Cisco. This was used as proxy for everything
including copying files to shared drives so every archive just copied to
shared drive from a Windoze machine got corrupted. We had offices here in
Las Vegas and in Ithaca, NY so it was a nightmare to exchange design files
between offices. Usual hack was renaming those archives to *.pdf so that
stupid software wouldn't touch them (everybody knows that any file named
blah.pdf is a PDF and file extensions always tell what file it is and can't
be faked, right?) but at some point even that failed to work so we had to
resort to overnighting USB sticks with those files. That was easier than to
persuade IT to kill that stupid thing.

It is totally possible they also installed some of those weirdos so they
actually can't open those zip files because they _ALWAYS_ end up corrupted
when sent over the Net. It is difficult to convince IT it is broken because
"everything works fine here" i.e. all office lemmings send their Word and
Excel files without problems.


it would be entirely plausible and somewhat hilarious if their software
was right and he was sending them viruses too

Eh, I dunno 'bout China but here in the US IT in big companies live their
totally own life. They are constantly trying to somehow justify their
existense so they introduce new and new weirdos non-stop up to the point to
making entire infrastructure unusable for anybody but office lemmings who
only know Windoze with its Office and Excel. Engineering stuff is a minority
and it is not them who those higher-ups would listen to so everything is
seemingly OK for them.

It doesn't matter that my Altium machine locks its display every 5 minutes
so if I stop to think for a while I end up with a locked screen. Thanks to
our IT it takes not just entering password but also getting a one-time code
in an SMS sent to my phone and entering it into the login screen to unlock.
It happens almost every 5 minutes because it is not even my primary machine,
it is behind the KVM that is constantly switched to my primary Linux desktop
and back...

They don't care and don't listen. Office lemmings don't use anything else
except their Windoze PCs and they don't have any problems with the files
they use so everything is OK, period.

Some companies aren't worth working for.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 2,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Sergey Kubushyn]

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 9/27/19 7:21 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 9/27/19 1:00 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qmkurn$1o9i$1@gioia.aioe.org:

This "polite suggestion" worked with another one yesterday,
although asking to find a Chinese who has worked in the same
company for 2 years is pushing it a bit...

They probably have better numbers than the US for worker tenure.
Just because they do not get paid, does not mean it is not modern day
slavery. The only turnover is when they accidentally hire in idiot.

Apparently your old PCB firm is now fooly populated with idiots if
they cannot even open a zip file.

Send the raw files with the extensions changed on those the email
system barfs on, and instructions to re-name the files. Yeah...
they have the aptitude for that, right? I mean they make precision
PCBs but they can't use a computer.

They might've installed some "security" software from Cisco or whatever else
company that was famous many years ago before it went to the dogs. Those
once famous gurus hired a bunch of idiots named "software engineers" who
have never seen anything but Windoze so their "security" software unpacks
zip (or whatever) archives, checks files inside and repacks them back. The
only small problem is that it treats everything as text and it is Windoze
text so it "fixes" the files by converting 0x0a to 0x0d 0x0a (it is how text
files should be, right?) thus corrupting everything beyond repair. There
might be other mechanisms as well but result is always the same -- all
binary files got corrupted in transit.

I had to deal with it at my previous job where corporate IT installed "the
best software available" for checking files on the fly and that was from "a
reputable" company named Cisco. This was used as proxy for everything
including copying files to shared drives so every archive just copied to
shared drive from a Windoze machine got corrupted. We had offices here in
Las Vegas and in Ithaca, NY so it was a nightmare to exchange design files
between offices. Usual hack was renaming those archives to *.pdf so that
stupid software wouldn't touch them (everybody knows that any file named
blah.pdf is a PDF and file extensions always tell what file it is and can't
be faked, right?) but at some point even that failed to work so we had to
resort to overnighting USB sticks with those files. That was easier than to
persuade IT to kill that stupid thing.

It is totally possible they also installed some of those weirdos so they
actually can't open those zip files because they _ALWAYS_ end up corrupted
when sent over the Net. It is difficult to convince IT it is broken because
"everything works fine here" i.e. all office lemmings send their Word and
Excel files without problems.


it would be entirely plausible and somewhat hilarious if their software
was right and he was sending them viruses too

Eh, I dunno 'bout China but here in the US IT in big companies live their
totally own life. They are constantly trying to somehow justify their
existense so they introduce new and new weirdos non-stop up to the point to
making entire infrastructure unusable for anybody but office lemmings who
only know Windoze with its Office and Excel. Engineering stuff is a minority
and it is not them who those higher-ups would listen to so everything is
seemingly OK for them.

It doesn't matter that my Altium machine locks its display every 5 minutes
so if I stop to think for a while I end up with a locked screen. Thanks to
our IT it takes not just entering password but also getting a one-time code
in an SMS sent to my phone and entering it into the login screen to unlock.

Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler. Sold widely, e.g.
https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4

It is interesting Would it mess up with my primary mouse when I'm working
on something? Sometimes unintended shift just of 1 pixel may be quite
annoying...

Already purchased one, will try it Monday.

BTW, thank for a suggestion -- I couldn't even think such weirdo exists

---
******************************************************************
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
******************************************************************

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 9/27/19 10:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:

Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 9/27/19 7:21 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 9/27/19 1:00 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qmkurn$1o9i$1@gioia.aioe.org:

This "polite suggestion" worked with another one
yesterday, although asking to find a Chinese who has
worked in the same company for 2 years is pushing it
a bit...

They probably have better numbers than the US for worker
tenure. Just because they do not get paid, does not mean it
is not modern day slavery. The only turnover is when they
accidentally hire in idiot.

Apparently your old PCB firm is now fooly populated with
idiots if they cannot even open a zip file.

Send the raw files with the extensions changed on those the
email system barfs on, and instructions to re-name the
files. Yeah... they have the aptitude for that, right? I
mean they make precision PCBs but they can't use a
computer.

They might've installed some "security" software from Cisco
or whatever else company that was famous many years ago
before it went to the dogs. Those once famous gurus hired a
bunch of idiots named "software engineers" who have never
seen anything but Windoze so their "security" software
unpacks zip (or whatever) archives, checks files inside and
repacks them back. The only small problem is that it treats
everything as text and it is Windoze text so it "fixes" the
files by converting 0x0a to 0x0d 0x0a (it is how text files
should be, right?) thus corrupting everything beyond repair.
There might be other mechanisms as well but result is always
the same -- all binary files got corrupted in transit.

I had to deal with it at my previous job where corporate IT
installed "the best software available" for checking files on
the fly and that was from "a reputable" company named Cisco.
This was used as proxy for everything including copying files
to shared drives so every archive just copied to shared drive
from a Windoze machine got corrupted. We had offices here in
Las Vegas and in Ithaca, NY so it was a nightmare to exchange
design files between offices. Usual hack was renaming those
archives to *.pdf so that stupid software wouldn't touch them
(everybody knows that any file named blah.pdf is a PDF and
file extensions always tell what file it is and can't be
faked, right?) but at some point even that failed to work so
we had to resort to overnighting USB sticks with those files.
That was easier than to persuade IT to kill that stupid
thing.

It is totally possible they also installed some of those
weirdos so they actually can't open those zip files because
they _ALWAYS_ end up corrupted when sent over the Net. It is
difficult to convince IT it is broken because "everything
works fine here" i.e. all office lemmings send their Word
and Excel files without problems.


it would be entirely plausible and somewhat hilarious if their
software was right and he was sending them viruses too

Eh, I dunno 'bout China but here in the US IT in big companies
live their totally own life. They are constantly trying to
somehow justify their existense so they introduce new and new
weirdos non-stop up to the point to making entire infrastructure
unusable for anybody but office lemmings who only know Windoze
with its Office and Excel. Engineering stuff is a minority and it
is not them who those higher-ups would listen to so everything
is seemingly OK for them.

It doesn't matter that my Altium machine locks its display every
5 minutes so if I stop to think for a while I end up with a
locked screen. Thanks to our IT it takes not just entering
password but also getting a one-time code in an SMS sent to my
phone and entering it into the login screen to unlock.

Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler. Sold widely, e.g.
https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4


Ya gotza be pretty lazy to waste $18+tax+shipping fur that doozie...

Why so? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Or maybe you didn't read
Sergey's post?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Steve Wilson]

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 1:16:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 9/27/19 10:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler. Sold widely, e.g.
https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4

Ya gotza be pretty lazy to waste $18+tax+shipping fur that doozie...

Why so? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Or maybe you didn't read
Sergey's post?

Do it in software. There are a bazillion programs that do it. For example, this one's free:

https://mouse-jiggler.en.lo4d.com/windows

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 9/28/19 2:25 AM, Steve Wilson wrote:

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 1:16:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 9/27/19 10:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler. Sold widely, e.g.
https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4

Ya gotza be pretty lazy to waste $18+tax+shipping fur that doozie...

Why so? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Or maybe you didn't read
Sergey's post?

Do it in software. There are a bazillion programs that do it. For example, this one's free:

https://mouse-jiggler.en.lo4d.com/windows

Assuming that your IT droids haven't locked down your computer so hard
that you can't install software, which apparently Sergey's have. It's a
very common experience for folks who are still in the corporate world.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Chris Jones]

On 28/09/2019 03:00, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qmkurn$1o9i$1@gioia.aioe.org:

This "polite suggestion" worked with another one yesterday,
although asking to find a Chinese who has worked in the same
company for 2 years is pushing it a bit...

They probably have better numbers than the US for worker tenure.
Just because they do not get paid, does not mean it is not modern day
slavery. The only turnover is when they accidentally hire in idiot.

Apparently your old PCB firm is now fooly populated with idiots if
they cannot even open a zip file.

Send the raw files with the extensions changed on those the email
system barfs on, and instructions to re-name the files. Yeah...
they have the aptitude for that, right? I mean they make precision
PCBs but they can't use a computer.

They might've installed some "security" software from Cisco or whatever else
company that was famous many years ago before it went to the dogs. Those
once famous gurus hired a bunch of idiots named "software engineers" who
have never seen anything but Windoze so their "security" software unpacks
zip (or whatever) archives, checks files inside and repacks them back.

What does it do when you send a zip file that decompresses to a petabyte
of zeros?

 

[Chris Jones]

On 28/09/2019 16:59, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 9/28/19 2:25 AM, Steve Wilson wrote:
On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 1:16:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 9/27/19 10:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler.  Sold widely, e.g.
https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4

Ya gotza be pretty lazy to waste $18+tax+shipping fur that doozie...
Why so?  Seems like a no-brainer to me.  Or maybe you didn't read
Sergey's post?
Do it in software. There are a bazillion programs that do it. For
example, this one's free:

https://mouse-jiggler.en.lo4d.com/windows

Assuming that your IT droids haven't locked down your computer so hard
that you can't install software, which apparently Sergey's have.  It's a
very common experience for folks who are still in the corporate world.

Which makes it all the more entertaining to imagine all of the
interesting things that could be hiding inside the USB mouse jiggler...
USB stacks tend to have been tested only with valid responses from the
device plugged in, so they often can be made to do funny things when
they receive things that the standards didn't tell them to expect.

Some IT departments also disable the USB ports, and put locks on the
case. I guess they can still find PS2 keyboards and mice somewhere.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 2:59:18 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 9/28/19 2:25 AM, Steve Wilson wrote:
On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 1:16:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 9/27/19 10:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler. Sold widely, e.g.
https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4

Ya gotza be pretty lazy to waste $18+tax+shipping fur that doozie...

Why so? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Or maybe you didn't read
Sergey's post?

Do it in software. There are a bazillion programs that do it. For example, this one's free:

https://mouse-jiggler.en.lo4d.com/windows

Assuming that your IT droids haven't locked down your computer so hard
that you can't install software, which apparently Sergey's have. It's a
very common experience for folks who are still in the corporate world.

Some places I worked, the USB ports were not functional. You can transport a lot of information via USB stick in an amazingly small size. No, USB ports were never a friend to corporate security or any other security for that matter.

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[Steve Wilson]

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 2:59:18 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 9/28/19 2:25 AM, Steve Wilson wrote:

Do it in software. There are a bazillion programs that do it. For example, this one's free:

https://mouse-jiggler.en.lo4d.com/windows

Assuming that your IT droids haven't locked down your computer so hard
that you can't install software, which apparently Sergey's have. It's a
very common experience for folks who are still in the corporate world.

I don't see the problem. He has Altium installed, which is not a typical Windows program. If he cannot get support from management, I'd quit and come back as a subcontractor with a personal copy paid for by management and permission to use it on other projects. Then he can add other companies to his customer base. Might as well. There is no company employment loyalty these days.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 02:59:11 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 9/28/19 2:25 AM, Steve Wilson wrote:
On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 1:16:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 9/27/19 10:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler. Sold widely, e.g.
https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4

Ya gotza be pretty lazy to waste $18+tax+shipping fur that doozie...

Why so? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Or maybe you didn't read
Sergey's post?

Do it in software. There are a bazillion programs that do it. For example, this one's free:

https://mouse-jiggler.en.lo4d.com/windows

Assuming that your IT droids haven't locked down your computer so hard
that you can't install software, which apparently Sergey's have. It's a
very common experience for folks who are still in the corporate world.

Our security morons will come around and inspect the lock timeout. If
it's above 5min, you get major dinged (intentional and flagrant rule
violation). To demonstrate just how moronic they are, they announce
days ahead of time when they're coming around. For some reason, I'm
never in my office at that time.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 10:19:28 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 02:59:11 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 9/28/19 2:25 AM, Steve Wilson wrote:
On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 1:16:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 9/27/19 10:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler. Sold widely, e.g.
https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4

Ya gotza be pretty lazy to waste $18+tax+shipping fur that doozie...

Why so? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Or maybe you didn't read
Sergey's post?

Do it in software. There are a bazillion programs that do it. For example, this one's free:

https://mouse-jiggler.en.lo4d.com/windows

Assuming that your IT droids haven't locked down your computer so hard
that you can't install software, which apparently Sergey's have. It's a
very common experience for folks who are still in the corporate world.

Our security morons will come around and inspect the lock timeout. If
it's above 5min, you get major dinged (intentional and flagrant rule
violation). To demonstrate just how moronic they are, they announce
days ahead of time when they're coming around. For some reason, I'm
never in my office at that time.

You can't make up this stuff. I hear Scott Adams actually gets most of his material from fans who write to him.

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[Sergey Kubushyn]

Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> wrote:

On 28/09/2019 03:00, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qmkurn$1o9i$1@gioia.aioe.org:

This "polite suggestion" worked with another one yesterday,
although asking to find a Chinese who has worked in the same
company for 2 years is pushing it a bit...

They probably have better numbers than the US for worker tenure.
Just because they do not get paid, does not mean it is not modern day
slavery. The only turnover is when they accidentally hire in idiot.

Apparently your old PCB firm is now fooly populated with idiots if
they cannot even open a zip file.

Send the raw files with the extensions changed on those the email
system barfs on, and instructions to re-name the files. Yeah...
they have the aptitude for that, right? I mean they make precision
PCBs but they can't use a computer.

They might've installed some "security" software from Cisco or whatever else
company that was famous many years ago before it went to the dogs. Those
once famous gurus hired a bunch of idiots named "software engineers" who
have never seen anything but Windoze so their "security" software unpacks
zip (or whatever) archives, checks files inside and repacks them back.

What does it do when you send a zip file that decompresses to a petabyte
of zeros?

It fails. Their "security" software crashes and it fails. Nobody knows why
it crashed so they start bothering support droids of the company that sold
them that software. Everybody is busy, all 10+ layers of management writing
nice reports on their heroic efforts to resolve an issue to each other.

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[Sergey Kubushyn]

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 2:59:18 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 9/28/19 2:25 AM, Steve Wilson wrote:
On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 1:16:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 9/27/19 10:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler. Sold widely, e.g.
https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4

Ya gotza be pretty lazy to waste $18+tax+shipping fur that doozie...

Why so? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Or maybe you didn't read
Sergey's post?

Do it in software. There are a bazillion programs that do it. For example, this one's free:

https://mouse-jiggler.en.lo4d.com/windows

Assuming that your IT droids haven't locked down your computer so hard
that you can't install software, which apparently Sergey's have. It's a
very common experience for folks who are still in the corporate world.

Some places I worked, the USB ports were not functional. You can transport a lot of information via USB stick in an amazingly small size. No, USB ports were never a friend to corporate security or any other security for that matter.

As if you can't do it thousand different ways...

---
******************************************************************
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
******************************************************************

 

[Sergey Kubushyn]

Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> wrote:

On 28/09/2019 16:59, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 9/28/19 2:25 AM, Steve Wilson wrote:
On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 1:16:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 9/27/19 10:40 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
Son, what you need is a USB mouse jiggler.  Sold widely, e.g.
https://www.amazon.com/WiebeTech-Programmable-Mouse-Jiggler-MJ-3/dp/B00MTZY7Y4

Ya gotza be pretty lazy to waste $18+tax+shipping fur that doozie...
Why so?  Seems like a no-brainer to me.  Or maybe you didn't read
Sergey's post?
Do it in software. There are a bazillion programs that do it. For
example, this one's free:

https://mouse-jiggler.en.lo4d.com/windows

Assuming that your IT droids haven't locked down your computer so hard
that you can't install software, which apparently Sergey's have.  It's a
very common experience for folks who are still in the corporate world.

Which makes it all the more entertaining to imagine all of the
interesting things that could be hiding inside the USB mouse jiggler...
USB stacks tend to have been tested only with valid responses from the
device plugged in, so they often can be made to do funny things when
they receive things that the standards didn't tell them to expect.

Some IT departments also disable the USB ports, and put locks on the
case. I guess they can still find PS2 keyboards and mice somewhere.

They disabled USB storage devices but USB ports are not locked. I use IOGEAR
4-port DVI switcher for my main Linux desktop (that IT droids have no
control of), corporate Windoze 10 with Altium and corporate email, and some
other stuff (currently e.g. RK3399 Sapphire/Excavator dev board that I'm
using to work on Linux kernel and U-Boot for that platform) connected
through a chain of HDMI2DP->DP2DVI adapters with USB mouse/keyboard and
single 2560x1600 Dell U3014 monitor. I can connect some other USB devices
like Serial Port adapters. They can't totally disable USB ports otherwise
mouse/keyboard wouldn't have worked.

I can't use those devices that fool optical mouse as it is my only
mouse/keyboard that I also use for my Linux machine and dev board. My KVM is
a smart one that emulates display and mouse/keyboard on all ports so when I
switch from Windoze it thinks I'm still there just don't do anything.

That USB Mouse Jiggler seems to be the right thing, I've received it today
from Amazon and will test it Monday. It would be a huge annoyance reducer if
it worked. Will see it Monday.

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* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
******************************************************************

 

[Martin Rid]

Peter <nospam@nospam9876.com> Wrote in message:

I send them a zipfile containing the gerbers. I've been doing this for20-30 years. This is a company I last used 2 years ago, with same data format.The source is Protel PCB.Dear Peter, Sorry I can not read the file you sent to me. Regards,WinnieDear Winnie,It is a zipfile containing the gerbers.Are you familiar with the ZIP format?Kind regards,PeterDear Peter, Yes, I download the ZIP, but I can not open. What kinds offiles are you going to send to me? Regards, WinnieDear Winnie,I am enclosing a newly made zipfile.If you are not able to read it, please find someone who worked in yourcompany two years ago.Kind regards,PeterDear Peter, Thanks for the reply Please tell me more details aboutthis document, so I can find some professional people to handle this!Regards, WinnieDear Winnie,It is a zipfile containing the standard gerber data files; one foreach layer.Kind regards,PeterThis "polite suggestion" worked with another one yesterday, althoughasking to find a Chinese who has worked in the same company for 2years is pushing it a bit...A google on RS274 (which is what everybody is quoting) shows the verystuff I am sending. Has there been some new software which theseoutfits have boug
ht very recently and which cannot open a zipfile, oris there a new gerber format?

Just had the same issue today. The question was which side do you
want the silks screen on? Well it's in the readme file,
lol.

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