A problem with a cd player

[Meat Plow]

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:47:47 -0600, "Mark Zacharias"
<mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net>wrote:

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps because audio CD's are CLV...

;-)


Mark Z.

Yeah, OK Mark. CLV servo it is ! Just another senior moment. I seem to
have more of them these days ... :-(

Still, the rest of what I said is valid.

Arfa


I knew that you knew that. I was just foolin' around.

mz

Yeah, I know that Mark. Dunno. The older I get, the more this nonsense
seems to just fly out of my mouth (fingers) ... Perhaps I'm going down
with some kind of early addle-brain. There's a prog on the telly next week
about poor old Terry Pratchett. He first noticed something was wrong, when
he kept typing spelleen misstaykes :-( I think that my problem is
that I spend too much late-night time sitting in front of this idiot
machine, instead of getting some sleep ...

Arfa



Same problem here. Gets frustrating at times. I'll stop mid-sentence because
I can't bring forth a noun to continue. Then after perhaps 2 or 3 seconds it
comes and I finish the sentence. Short-term memory getting worse also,
although in truth this has always been a weakness of mine. Still able to
function at work though, so that's a blessing.

My hearing is getting really bad also.

With me it's early morning. I get up around 3:30 to 4:00 AM most days.

Spend a lot of time perusing old analog meters etc on eBay. Added several to
my collection lately, including an AVO 8 which I got interested in after
finding you had one. It's a Mark 5 Nato model, on it's way from Germany as
we speak. Not many AVO's in the U.S. it turns out...

Added several Simpsons (the American answer to AVO?) lately as well. The guy
at simpson260.com has offered to sell me his 9 remaining Simpsons. I don't
think I can do that though, nowhere to put them!


Mark Z.

Old age sucks.

 

[Arfa Daily]

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:47:47 -0600, "Mark Zacharias"
mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net>wrote:

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps because audio CD's are CLV...

;-)


Mark Z.

Yeah, OK Mark. CLV servo it is ! Just another senior moment. I seem to
have more of them these days ... :-(

Still, the rest of what I said is valid.

Arfa


I knew that you knew that. I was just foolin' around.

mz

Yeah, I know that Mark. Dunno. The older I get, the more this nonsense
seems to just fly out of my mouth (fingers) ... Perhaps I'm going down
with some kind of early addle-brain. There's a prog on the telly next
week
about poor old Terry Pratchett. He first noticed something was wrong,
when
he kept typing spelleen misstaykes :-( I think that my problem is
that I spend too much late-night time sitting in front of this idiot
machine, instead of getting some sleep ...

Arfa



Same problem here. Gets frustrating at times. I'll stop mid-sentence
because
I can't bring forth a noun to continue. Then after perhaps 2 or 3 seconds
it
comes and I finish the sentence. Short-term memory getting worse also,
although in truth this has always been a weakness of mine. Still able to
function at work though, so that's a blessing.

My hearing is getting really bad also.

With me it's early morning. I get up around 3:30 to 4:00 AM most days.

Spend a lot of time perusing old analog meters etc on eBay. Added several
to
my collection lately, including an AVO 8 which I got interested in after
finding you had one. It's a Mark 5 Nato model, on it's way from Germany as
we speak. Not many AVO's in the U.S. it turns out...

Added several Simpsons (the American answer to AVO?) lately as well. The
guy
at simpson260.com has offered to sell me his 9 remaining Simpsons. I don't
think I can do that though, nowhere to put them!


Mark Z.

Old age sucks.

Big time for sure. Thirty years ago, I thought I was immortal, and could
keep going for two or more days at a time without sleep. I just couldn't
figure how people could degenerate into the old farts that they did. Now I
am one, and I look at my daughter looking at me thinking "I just can't
figure ... "

Sigh ... :-\

Arfa

 

[Gaetan Mailloux]

"Mark Zacharias" (mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net) writes:

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"Gaetan Mailloux" <ba221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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Hello

A friend of mine do have a kenwood DP-460 cd player with a cd playing
problem.

My friend was sure that the laser was burned, but I
decide to test his Kenwood cd player, wen I use commercial music cd it
work perfect, but wen I use burned cd-r music, this Kenwood cd player
can
not play more than 7 track, after 7 track it do jerky sound with the
music, it look like it can not follow those track.

Any hints of what could be the problems ?

Here is a link to a part of the schematic of the kenwood DP-46>>>> As you get further into a disc, its rotational speed falls to maintain
CAV.

Perhaps because audio CD's are CLV...

;-)


Mark Z.



Hello

Cleaning the laser lens and lubricating the mechanicals was the first
thing I have done.

I did try other cd-r brand but the problems still there.

Maby the laser are at the end of his life ?

Thank

Bye

Gaetan


If you have access to an oscilloscope, the HF "eye" pattern can be observed,
and may be noisy. This would account for the deteriorated performance first
on CD-R's. As previously noted, this is often the result of dust and smoke
contamination. The finest particles get inside the laser, and settle on the
turning mirror as a fine film. This diffuses the reflected laser light
coming back off the disc before it can really be read. It is sometimes
worthwhile to adjust the Focus Offset for maximum amplitude as viewed on the
scope. If it makes a difference of about 20% or more, this may solve your
problem, at least for the short term.


Mark Z.

Mark Z.

Hello

I have an old Telequipment scope who goes up to 1 mhz, it should do the job.

I've look on the main pcb and there is 4 trimpot; T.BAL , F.BAL , FEOF , TEOF

Wich one are for adjusting the Focus Offset ?

Thank a lot

Gaetan

 

[Mark Zacharias]

"Gaetan Mailloux" <ba221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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"Mark Zacharias" (mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net) writes:
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"Gaetan Mailloux" <ba221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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Hello

A friend of mine do have a kenwood DP-460 cd player with a cd playing
problem.

My friend was sure that the laser was burned, but I
decide to test his Kenwood cd player, wen I use commercial music cd
it
work perfect, but wen I use burned cd-r music, this Kenwood cd player
can
not play more than 7 track, after 7 track it do jerky sound with the
music, it look like it can not follow those track.

Any hints of what could be the problems ?

Here is a link to a part of the schematic of the kenwood DP-46>>>> As
you get further into a disc, its rotational speed falls to maintain
CAV.

Perhaps because audio CD's are CLV...

;-)


Mark Z.



Hello

Cleaning the laser lens and lubricating the mechanicals was the first
thing I have done.

I did try other cd-r brand but the problems still there.

Maby the laser are at the end of his life ?

Thank

Bye

Gaetan


If you have access to an oscilloscope, the HF "eye" pattern can be
observed,
and may be noisy. This would account for the deteriorated performance
first
on CD-R's. As previously noted, this is often the result of dust and
smoke
contamination. The finest particles get inside the laser, and settle on
the
turning mirror as a fine film. This diffuses the reflected laser light
coming back off the disc before it can really be read. It is sometimes
worthwhile to adjust the Focus Offset for maximum amplitude as viewed on
the
scope. If it makes a difference of about 20% or more, this may solve your
problem, at least for the short term.


Mark Z.

Mark Z.


Hello

I have an old Telequipment scope who goes up to 1 mhz, it should do the
job.

I've look on the main pcb and there is 4 trimpot; T.BAL , F.BAL , FEOF ,
TEOF

Wich one are for adjusting the Focus Offset ?

Thank a lot

Gaetan

FEOF should be the one, but a 1 meg scope won't really get it. You can
adjust for maximum envelope size, which probably is good enough, but you
can't look at the diamond shaped center area of the expanded "eye" pattern
as viewed on a 30mHz or higher scope. Sometimes a x10 probe is required, but
in my experience it is rare for a direct probe to load down this
measurement.

You can "Google CD eye pattern" and see what I'm talking about.

Mark Z.

 

[Arfa Daily]

If you have access to an oscilloscope, the HF "eye" pattern can be
observed,
and may be noisy. This would account for the deteriorated performance
first
on CD-R's. As previously noted, this is often the result of dust and
smoke
contamination. The finest particles get inside the laser, and settle on
the
turning mirror as a fine film. This diffuses the reflected laser light
coming back off the disc before it can really be read. It is sometimes
worthwhile to adjust the Focus Offset for maximum amplitude as viewed on
the
scope. If it makes a difference of about 20% or more, this may solve
your
problem, at least for the short term.


Mark Z.

Mark Z.


Hello

I have an old Telequipment scope who goes up to 1 mhz, it should do the
job.

I've look on the main pcb and there is 4 trimpot; T.BAL , F.BAL , FEOF ,
TEOF

Wich one are for adjusting the Focus Offset ?

Thank a lot

Gaetan


FEOF should be the one, but a 1 meg scope won't really get it. You can
adjust for maximum envelope size, which probably is good enough, but you
can't look at the diamond shaped center area of the expanded "eye" pattern
as viewed on a 30mHz or higher scope. Sometimes a x10 probe is required,
but in my experience it is rare for a direct probe to load down this
measurement.

You can "Google CD eye pattern" and see what I'm talking about.

Mark Z.

All that Mark says, but before you start, CAREFULLY mark the EXACT positions
of the pots before attempting adjustment. If you do adjust more than one of
them (the temptation *will* be there - trust me !!) and you do not have the
proper bandwidth 'scope, and the experience to know exactly what you are
adjusting and why, it is staggeringly easy to get those pots to a point
where nothing will be read at all, often with just a few degrees
mispositioning of a couple of them. Re-finding the correct places to get it
going again, can then be a most frustrating excercise ...

Arfa

 

[krw]

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:47:47 -0600, "Mark Zacharias"
mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net>wrote:

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Perhaps because audio CD's are CLV...

;-)


Mark Z.

Yeah, OK Mark. CLV servo it is ! Just another senior moment. I seem to
have more of them these days ... :-(

Still, the rest of what I said is valid.

Arfa


I knew that you knew that. I was just foolin' around.

mz

Yeah, I know that Mark. Dunno. The older I get, the more this nonsense
seems to just fly out of my mouth (fingers) ... Perhaps I'm going down
with some kind of early addle-brain. There's a prog on the telly next
week
about poor old Terry Pratchett. He first noticed something was wrong,
when
he kept typing spelleen misstaykes :-( I think that my problem is
that I spend too much late-night time sitting in front of this idiot
machine, instead of getting some sleep ...

Arfa



Same problem here. Gets frustrating at times. I'll stop mid-sentence
because
I can't bring forth a noun to continue. Then after perhaps 2 or 3 seconds
it
comes and I finish the sentence. Short-term memory getting worse also,
although in truth this has always been a weakness of mine. Still able to
function at work though, so that's a blessing.

My hearing is getting really bad also.

With me it's early morning. I get up around 3:30 to 4:00 AM most days.

Spend a lot of time perusing old analog meters etc on eBay. Added several
to
my collection lately, including an AVO 8 which I got interested in after
finding you had one. It's a Mark 5 Nato model, on it's way from Germany as
we speak. Not many AVO's in the U.S. it turns out...

Added several Simpsons (the American answer to AVO?) lately as well. The
guy
at simpson260.com has offered to sell me his 9 remaining Simpsons. I don't
think I can do that though, nowhere to put them!


Mark Z.

Old age sucks.

Big time for sure. Thirty years ago, I thought I was immortal, and could
keep going for two or more days at a time without sleep. I just couldn't
figure how people could degenerate into the old farts that they did. Now I
am one, and I look at my daughter looking at me thinking "I just can't
figure ... "

You're still young. Don't worry, as your daughter gets older,
you'll get wiser. ;-)

 

[Gaetan Mailloux]

"Mark Zacharias" (mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net) writes:

"Gaetan Mailloux" <ba221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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"Mark Zacharias" (mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net) writes:
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"Mark Zacharias" (mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net) writes:
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"Gaetan Mailloux" <ba221@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:glp168$hht$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
Hello

A friend of mine do have a kenwood DP-460 cd player with a cd playing
problem.

My friend was sure that the laser was burned, but I
decide to test his Kenwood cd player, wen I use commercial music cd
it
work perfect, but wen I use burned cd-r music, this Kenwood cd player
can
not play more than 7 track, after 7 track it do jerky sound with the
music, it look like it can not follow those track.

Any hints of what could be the problems ?

Here is a link to a part of the schematic of the kenwood DP-46>>>> As
you get further into a disc, its rotational speed falls to maintain
CAV.

Perhaps because audio CD's are CLV...

;-)


Mark Z.



Hello

Cleaning the laser lens and lubricating the mechanicals was the first
thing I have done.

I did try other cd-r brand but the problems still there.

Maby the laser are at the end of his life ?

Thank

Bye

Gaetan


If you have access to an oscilloscope, the HF "eye" pattern can be
observed,
and may be noisy. This would account for the deteriorated performance
first
on CD-R's. As previously noted, this is often the result of dust and
smoke
contamination. The finest particles get inside the laser, and settle on
the
turning mirror as a fine film. This diffuses the reflected laser light
coming back off the disc before it can really be read. It is sometimes
worthwhile to adjust the Focus Offset for maximum amplitude as viewed on
the
scope. If it makes a difference of about 20% or more, this may solve your
problem, at least for the short term.


Mark Z.

Mark Z.


Hello

I have an old Telequipment scope who goes up to 1 mhz, it should do the
job.

I've look on the main pcb and there is 4 trimpot; T.BAL , F.BAL , FEOF ,
TEOF

Wich one are for adjusting the Focus Offset ?

Thank a lot

Gaetan


FEOF should be the one, but a 1 meg scope won't really get it. You can
adjust for maximum envelope size, which probably is good enough, but you
can't look at the diamond shaped center area of the expanded "eye" pattern
as viewed on a 30mHz or higher scope. Sometimes a x10 probe is required, but
in my experience it is rare for a direct probe to load down this
measurement.

You can "Google CD eye pattern" and see what I'm talking about.

Mark Z.

Hello

I will borrow a Sencore SC61 scope to a friend who do not use it, maby I
will buy it anyway since it is doing nothing in his basement.

Btw, what would be T.BAL , F.BAL, TEOF ?


Thank for your help

Bye

Gaetan

 

[Arfa Daily]

Hello

I will borrow a Sencore SC61 scope to a friend who do not use it, maby I
will buy it anyway since it is doing nothing in his basement.

Btw, what would be T.BAL , F.BAL, TEOF ?


Thank for your help

Bye

Gaetan

T.B(AL) is tracking balance. Sometimes also known as E-F BAL (named for the
designations of the two photodiodes, "E" and "F" in the pickup, which are
responsible for generating the tracking control signal). It is required in
order to remove unwanted positional offsets of the lens which would
otherwise be caused by imbalances in the tracking servo photodiodes in the
pickup, and the following opamp in the tracking servo processor.

F.B(AL) is focus balance. Does the same for the focus servo circuitry as
TBAL does for the tracking.

TE(OF) is tracking error offset. Allows the electrical zero point of the
tracking servo to be set to match the lens suspension mechanical zero. It is
needed to offset mechanical errors in the construction of the laser, and
electrical servo errors which may creep in as a result of imperfect opamps
etc in the servo amplifier.

FE(OF) would be the same thing for the focus servo, and is needed to correct
for such things as an error in the turntable height, and similar servo
electrical errors.

You may find a pot called PLL on some players. The setting of this is
*extremely* critical to data recovery from the disc, and requires an
accurate frequency counter to set it up. NEVER adjust this pot randomly,
even if you think that you have marked its original position perfectly.

It is rare to find any of these adjustments present, in modern players. The
servo processor ICs are these days capable of performing an analysis of the
signal, and introducing and storing appropriate correctional offsets.

Other pots which may also be encountered are T.G(AIN) and F.G(AIN). These
set the operational gains of the tracking and focus servo loops. They are
often to still be found in modern players. Adjusting these up slightly, can
often improve a player with marginal performance, but if set too high,
particularly in the case of the focus servo, will result in the lens making
a mechanical 'hissing' noise, particularly on a marked or scuffed disc.

Finally, there is always a pot on the laser which sets its output power.
With a few notable exceptions such as Pioneer, this pot is sealed and MUST
NOT be adjusted. Even a small overdrive of the laser diode, can result in
its partial, or even complete destruction.

Arfa

 

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:47:47 -0600, "Mark Zacharias"
mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net>wrote:

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps because audio CD's are CLV...

;-)


Mark Z.

Yeah, OK Mark. CLV servo it is ! Just another senior moment. I seem
to
have more of them these days ... :-(

Still, the rest of what I said is valid.

Arfa


I knew that you knew that. I was just foolin' around.

mz

Yeah, I know that Mark. Dunno. The older I get, the more this
nonsense
seems to just fly out of my mouth (fingers) ... Perhaps I'm going
down
with some kind of early addle-brain. There's a prog on the telly next
week
about poor old Terry Pratchett. He first noticed something was wrong,
when
he kept typing spelleen misstaykes :-( I think that my problem
is
that I spend too much late-night time sitting in front of this idiot
machine, instead of getting some sleep ...

Arfa



Same problem here. Gets frustrating at times. I'll stop mid-sentence
because
I can't bring forth a noun to continue. Then after perhaps 2 or 3
seconds
it
comes and I finish the sentence. Short-term memory getting worse also,
although in truth this has always been a weakness of mine. Still able
to
function at work though, so that's a blessing.

My hearing is getting really bad also.

With me it's early morning. I get up around 3:30 to 4:00 AM most days.

Spend a lot of time perusing old analog meters etc on eBay. Added
several
to
my collection lately, including an AVO 8 which I got interested in
after
finding you had one. It's a Mark 5 Nato model, on it's way from Germany
as
we speak. Not many AVO's in the U.S. it turns out...

Added several Simpsons (the American answer to AVO?) lately as well.
The
guy
at simpson260.com has offered to sell me his 9 remaining Simpsons. I
don't
think I can do that though, nowhere to put them!


Mark Z.

Old age sucks.

Big time for sure. Thirty years ago, I thought I was immortal, and could
keep going for two or more days at a time without sleep. I just couldn't
figure how people could degenerate into the old farts that they did. Now
I
am one, and I look at my daughter looking at me thinking "I just can't
figure ... "

You're still young. Don't worry, as your daughter gets older,
you'll get wiser. ;-)


Depends how you define "young", I guess. I've not yet reached decrepit, but

certainly old enough to be waking up in the night for a bathroom stop, and
waking up in the morning feeling worse than I did when I went to bed ...
d;~}

Arfa

 

[Meat Plow]

On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:31:37 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:47:47 -0600, "Mark Zacharias"
mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net>wrote:

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps because audio CD's are CLV...

;-)


Mark Z.

Yeah, OK Mark. CLV servo it is ! Just another senior moment. I seem to
have more of them these days ... :-(

Still, the rest of what I said is valid.

Arfa


I knew that you knew that. I was just foolin' around.

mz

Yeah, I know that Mark. Dunno. The older I get, the more this nonsense
seems to just fly out of my mouth (fingers) ... Perhaps I'm going down
with some kind of early addle-brain. There's a prog on the telly next
week
about poor old Terry Pratchett. He first noticed something was wrong,
when
he kept typing spelleen misstaykes :-( I think that my problem is
that I spend too much late-night time sitting in front of this idiot
machine, instead of getting some sleep ...

Arfa



Same problem here. Gets frustrating at times. I'll stop mid-sentence
because
I can't bring forth a noun to continue. Then after perhaps 2 or 3 seconds
it
comes and I finish the sentence. Short-term memory getting worse also,
although in truth this has always been a weakness of mine. Still able to
function at work though, so that's a blessing.

My hearing is getting really bad also.

With me it's early morning. I get up around 3:30 to 4:00 AM most days.

Spend a lot of time perusing old analog meters etc on eBay. Added several
to
my collection lately, including an AVO 8 which I got interested in after
finding you had one. It's a Mark 5 Nato model, on it's way from Germany as
we speak. Not many AVO's in the U.S. it turns out...

Added several Simpsons (the American answer to AVO?) lately as well. The
guy
at simpson260.com has offered to sell me his 9 remaining Simpsons. I don't
think I can do that though, nowhere to put them!


Mark Z.

Old age sucks.

Big time for sure. Thirty years ago, I thought I was immortal, and could
keep going for two or more days at a time without sleep. I just couldn't
figure how people could degenerate into the old farts that they did. Now I
am one, and I look at my daughter looking at me thinking "I just can't
figure ... "

Sigh ... :-\

Arfa

I hate it when going through the checkout at the grocer the hot
cashier in her mid 20's calls me Sir.

But if I lived in the UK I guess that would be a compliment right

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

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Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote:

I hate it when going through the checkout at the grocer the hot
cashier in her mid 20's calls me Sir.

But if I lived in the UK I guess that would be a compliment right

Even a grunt would be nice.

--
*Sorry, I don't date outside my species.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Arfa Daily]

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <2i1gq9.sc6.17.3@news.alt.net>,
Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote:
I hate it when going through the checkout at the grocer the hot
cashier in her mid 20's calls me Sir.

But if I lived in the UK I guess that would be a compliment right

Even a grunt would be nice.

Go to Waitrose, Dave. The staff in there are everything that you would ever
want them to be, and then some ... I actually don't mind being called
"sir". It shows that if nothing else, my age has won me at least a modicum
of respect from the next generation down !

Arfa

--
*Sorry, I don't date outside my species.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Meat Plow]

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:39:47 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:

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In article <2i1gq9.sc6.17.3@news.alt.net>,
Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote:
I hate it when going through the checkout at the grocer the hot
cashier in her mid 20's calls me Sir.

But if I lived in the UK I guess that would be a compliment right

Even a grunt would be nice.

Go to Waitrose, Dave. The staff in there are everything that you would ever
want them to be, and then some ... I actually don't mind being called
"sir". It shows that if nothing else, my age has won me at least a modicum
of respect from the next generation down !

Arfa

Sir Arfa Daily.

Has a good ring to it ;-)

 

[Arfa Daily]

"Meat Plow" <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:39:47 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <2i1gq9.sc6.17.3@news.alt.net>,
Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote:
I hate it when going through the checkout at the grocer the hot
cashier in her mid 20's calls me Sir.

But if I lived in the UK I guess that would be a compliment right

Even a grunt would be nice.

Go to Waitrose, Dave. The staff in there are everything that you would
ever
want them to be, and then some ... I actually don't mind being called
"sir". It shows that if nothing else, my age has won me at least a modicum
of respect from the next generation down !

Arfa

Sir Arfa Daily.

Has a good ring to it ;-)

If you're familiar with the TV series from the eighties which spawned it,
even more so !! Interestingly, a 'brought up to date' remake of it starts
on British TV this Wednesday evening. Big boots to fill for all concerned,
but in the write-ups, the cast say that they are very clear about that, so
we'll givit a go ...

Arfa

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Arfa Daily wrote:

Depends how you define "young", I guess. I've not yet reached decrepit, but
certainly old enough to be waking up in the night for a bathroom stop, and
waking up in the morning feeling worse than I did when I went to bed ...

Just be glad you're still waking up before you go to the bathroom.
That's when they pick out a nursing home for you, and hide anything
sharp or hot. ;-)


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"Samuel M. Goldwasser" wrote:

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> writes:

As you get further into a disc, its rotational speed falls to maintain
CAV.

I hate to jump on you, Arfa, because you are incredibly knowledgable, but
CDs are CLV, not CAV.

Also, technically speaking, it should be "further out of a disc" (as disks
are read from the inside out).

Nit picking.

If no one picked nits, we'd be buried in the lousy things!


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[krw]

In article <5K6hl.8423$%t5.6614@newsfe16.ams2>,
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"krw" <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
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In article <LZMgl.1723$Ci3.757@newsfe17.ams2>,
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:47:47 -0600, "Mark Zacharias"
mark_zacharias@labolgcbs.net>wrote:

"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps because audio CD's are CLV...

;-)


Mark Z.

Yeah, OK Mark. CLV servo it is ! Just another senior moment. I seem
to
have more of them these days ... :-(

Still, the rest of what I said is valid.

Arfa


I knew that you knew that. I was just foolin' around.

mz

Yeah, I know that Mark. Dunno. The older I get, the more this
nonsense
seems to just fly out of my mouth (fingers) ... Perhaps I'm going
down
with some kind of early addle-brain. There's a prog on the telly next
week
about poor old Terry Pratchett. He first noticed something was wrong,
when
he kept typing spelleen misstaykes :-( I think that my problem
is
that I spend too much late-night time sitting in front of this idiot
machine, instead of getting some sleep ...

Arfa



Same problem here. Gets frustrating at times. I'll stop mid-sentence
because
I can't bring forth a noun to continue. Then after perhaps 2 or 3
seconds
it
comes and I finish the sentence. Short-term memory getting worse also,
although in truth this has always been a weakness of mine. Still able
to
function at work though, so that's a blessing.

My hearing is getting really bad also.

With me it's early morning. I get up around 3:30 to 4:00 AM most days.

Spend a lot of time perusing old analog meters etc on eBay. Added
several
to
my collection lately, including an AVO 8 which I got interested in
after
finding you had one. It's a Mark 5 Nato model, on it's way from Germany
as
we speak. Not many AVO's in the U.S. it turns out...

Added several Simpsons (the American answer to AVO?) lately as well.
The
guy
at simpson260.com has offered to sell me his 9 remaining Simpsons. I
don't
think I can do that though, nowhere to put them!


Mark Z.

Old age sucks.

Big time for sure. Thirty years ago, I thought I was immortal, and could
keep going for two or more days at a time without sleep. I just couldn't
figure how people could degenerate into the old farts that they did. Now
I
am one, and I look at my daughter looking at me thinking "I just can't
figure ... "

You're still young. Don't worry, as your daughter gets older,
you'll get wiser. ;-)


Depends how you define "young", I guess.

If your daughter still thinks you're dumb, you're not old. As you
(she) ages, amazingly, you'll get a lot smarter.

I've not yet reached decrepit, but
certainly old enough to be waking up in the night for a bathroom stop, and

As long as you're still waking up...

waking up in the morning feeling worse than I did when I went to bed ...
d;~}

I grew out of that a while back, except when the RA is doing its
thing. Then mornings are a pain everywhere (but my butt).

 

[krw]

In article <-MWdnc7vKOoVQBrUnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
mike.terrell@earthlink.net says...>

"Samuel M. Goldwasser" wrote:

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> writes:

As you get further into a disc, its rotational speed falls to maintain
CAV.

I hate to jump on you, Arfa, because you are incredibly knowledgable, but
CDs are CLV, not CAV.

Also, technically speaking, it should be "further out of a disc" (as disks
are read from the inside out).

Nit picking.


If no one picked nits, we'd be buried in the lousy things!

And there is nothing lousier than nits.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

krw wrote:

In article <-MWdnc7vKOoVQBrUnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
mike.terrell@earthlink.net says...
"Samuel M. Goldwasser" wrote:

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> writes:

As you get further into a disc, its rotational speed falls to maintain
CAV.

I hate to jump on you, Arfa, because you are incredibly knowledgable, but
CDs are CLV, not CAV.

Also, technically speaking, it should be "further out of a disc" (as disks
are read from the inside out).

Nit picking.


If no one picked nits, we'd be buried in the lousy things!

And there is nothing lousier than nits.

Except lousy donkeys.


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