A letter to President Biden...

On 10/31/22 11:59, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 10/30/22 19:40, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 6:11:10 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid
wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in
news:tjkloh$gi9$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
On 10/29/22 18:12, GnatTurd wrote:
Sorry Bozo, but YES, you ARE brain-dead. The GAO
(General Accounting Agency) agrees with me
(https://www.gao.gov... )

\'G\' means General here? \'A\' is Accounting? \'O\' stands
for Agency now?

You didn\'t get ANY of them right.

And he could have easily learned in his deep dive
prefessional level digging up he does so well.

Like that time 7 years ago when he properly vetted a
lifelong criminal presidential candidatae and then rejected
him. Oh, wait... that is not what this utter idiot did, He
sucked up all the candidate\'s pathetic lies and then stood
behind him. Even after all of the stupid, criminal level
crap he pulled, this idiot is still behind the criminal
dope.

The US GAO is:

United States Government Accountability Office

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd idiot
can\'t get anything right. I sure hope to hell he never
pilots an airplane. What an idiot.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

It\'s motor glider, with a retractable propellor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleicher_ASH_31
A big investment. I saw prices around $240,000. Flyspeck may own a
small share.
Not as dangerous to the rest of the world as a more conventional
light aircraft.
His partners better pay close attention when he\'s monkeying around
with it.
Enough fuel capacity to be dangerous if he crashed it into a
build-up area and the fuel caught alight. Battery power would be
safer, if not all that safe.

That is just for the bare airframe; you also have to add instruments,
options, trailer, ground handling equipment, and shipment from
Germany, which will push the price to well above $300k. I am the sole
owner free and clear.

Flyguy, my good friend!

Here is a Halloween story, about a German glider.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_-fD8X3hIE
 
corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote in news:tjn2j0$7te$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd idiot can\'t
get anything right. I sure hope to hell he never pilots an
airplane. What an idiot.

Yikes. At least he won\'t be chopping up people with that propeller.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky after the
engine is shut off. Yours do that?

There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers must
know something.
 
FlyDope <evendumber2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ce92ad98-4a38-4c2d-90d4-a7ba993cae79n@googlegroups.com:

That is just for the bare airframe; you also have to add
instruments, options, trailer, ground handling equipment, and
shipment from Germany, which will push the price to well above
$300k. I am the sole owner free and clear.

$300k? More proof that you are the most stupid person in this group.

And THEN you have to assemble it and THEN you have to pack it with
instruments and wire them up. Wow... does not get much more stupid.
Far better things to spend your money on and you will never get it
back.
 
On 11/1/22 15:14, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote in news:tjn2j0$7te$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd idiot
can\'t get anything right. I sure hope to hell he never pilots
an airplane. What an idiot.

Yikes. At least he won\'t be chopping up people with that
propeller.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky after
the engine is shut off. Yours do that?


There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers must
know something.

I found FOUR accident reports for them. One of them a mere wheel-up
landing, another had the pilot bail out.

Another was a fatality when the ridge-soaring pilot hit a ridge. The
maggot probably just thermals over flatlands.
 
On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 9:19:41 AM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
FlyDope <evendumb...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ce92ad98-4a38-4c2d...@googlegroups.com:
That is just for the bare airframe; you also have to add
instruments, options, trailer, ground handling equipment, and
shipment from Germany, which will push the price to well above
$300k. I am the sole owner free and clear.
$300k? More proof that you are the most stupid person in this group.

And THEN you have to assemble it and THEN you have to pack it with
instruments and wire them up. Wow... does not get much more stupid.
Far better things to spend your money on and you will never get it
back.

People who are into high performance gliders would find it difficult to find a better thing to spend their money on.

Gnatguy does now seem to be deep into senile decline, but his choice of motor glider isn\'t unreasonable. I\'ve never been all that interested but one of my wife\'s graduate students lost her fiance to a crash in an international soaring competition, so I\'m aware that there are people around who do take it seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:15:51 PM UTC+11, corvid wrote:
On 11/1/22 15:14, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd idiot
can\'t get anything right. I sure hope to hell he never pilots
an airplane. What an idiot.

Yikes. At least he won\'t be chopping up people with that
propeller.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky after
the engine is shut off. Yours do that?


There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers must
know something.
I found FOUR accident reports for them. One of them a mere wheel-up
landing, another had the pilot bail out.

Another was a fatality when the ridge-soaring pilot hit a ridge. The
maggot probably just thermals over flatlands.

Even that can kill you. One of my wife\'s graduate students lost her fiance to a crash in an international soaring competition in Poland (which is pretty flat).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:14:44 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd idiot can\'t
get anything right. I sure hope to hell he never pilots an
airplane. What an idiot.

Yikes. At least he won\'t be chopping up people with that propeller.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky after the
engine is shut off. Yours do that?

There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers must
know something.

Sorry, DecayedBrainMatter, but your numbers are way off. Be aware that even a production run of 100 is pretty high in the glider community - it is NOT a high run consumer product.
 
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:36:43 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:14:44 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd idiot can\'t
get anything right. I sure hope to hell he never pilots an
airplane. What an idiot.

Yikes. At least he won\'t be chopping up people with that propeller.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky after the
engine is shut off. Yours do that?

There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers must
know something.

Sorry, Decadent Linux User Numero Uno, but your numbers are way off.

But Gnatguy can\'t be bothered to post a link to a source of correct numbers. If he did we\'d probably find out that he\'d misunderstood the data he thought that he\'d found.

> Be aware that even a production run of 100 is pretty high in the glider community - it is NOT a high run consumer product.

And the gliding community isn\'t all that large. With people like Gnatguy in it one can understand why.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:30:52 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:15:51 PM UTC+11, corvid wrote:
On 11/1/22 15:14, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd idiot
can\'t get anything right. I sure hope to hell he never pilots
an airplane. What an idiot.

Yikes. At least he won\'t be chopping up people with that
propeller.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky after
the engine is shut off. Yours do that?


There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers must
know something.
I found FOUR accident reports for them. One of them a mere wheel-up
landing, another had the pilot bail out.

Another was a fatality when the ridge-soaring pilot hit a ridge. The
maggot probably just thermals over flatlands.
Even that can kill you. One of my wife\'s graduate students lost her fiance to a crash in an international soaring competition in Poland (which is pretty flat).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Flying gliders IS a high-risk activity - I will not deny that. You spend A LOT of your flight time in a classic stall-spin regime: high bank angle at near stall speed. And the air around you can be quite turbulent, which can lead to a sudden tail gust that stalls you. At altitude, this is a non-event, but close to the terrain, it is deadly. A good friend of mine, highly experienced with thousands of hours in all types of aircraft, commercial and military, was killed in this manner.
 
On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:08:58 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:36:43 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:14:44 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd idiot can\'t
get anything right. I sure hope to hell he never pilots an
airplane. What an idiot.

Yikes. At least he won\'t be chopping up people with that propeller.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky after the
engine is shut off. Yours do that?

There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers must
know something.

Sorry, Decadent Linux User Numero Uno, but your numbers are way off.

But Gnatguy can\'t be bothered to post a link to a source of correct numbers. If he did we\'d probably find out that he\'d misunderstood the data he thought that he\'d found.
Be aware that even a production run of 100 is pretty high in the glider community - it is NOT a high run consumer product.
And the gliding community isn\'t all that large. With people like Gnatguy in it one can understand why.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

HA HA HA HA! Bozo should LOOK IN THE MIRROR when it comes to identifying repulsive people. Bozo spends ALL of his waking time glued to his computer screen waiting to pounce on anyone who disagrees with him.

BTW, \"small\" means tens of thousands of glider pilots in the US, most of whom belong to clubs and don\'t personally own a glider.
 
Interesting the recent launch of a secret object into space may have something to do with this...

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
FlyDope <evenmorestupid2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:b615c81e-3aff-462f-8e58-d6fe1358a8a6n@googlegroups.com:

Sorry, DecayedBrainMatter, but your numbers are way off. Be aware
that even a production run of 100 is pretty high in the glider
community - it is NOT a high run consumer product.

It was not a \"production run\" you fucking retard. That is the entire
number they have ever made. If it was a production line item, meny
more would have been produced, idiot. They are likely crafted one or
two at a time. The number reflects popularity in the realm. It is not
that high, and not so for the reason you tried to give.
 
FlyDope <Dopier2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:72084261-bc57-4931-8b3e-eeda02257111n@googlegroups.com:

BTW, \"small\" means tens of thousands of glider pilots in the US,
most of whom belong to clubs and don\'t personally own a glider.

Which would mean that were this bird safe, far more than 100 of them
would have been produced by now.
 
Skybuck Flying <skybuckflying@gmail.com> wrote in
news:eb5e0088-7acc-4927-8fd4-bc031df3fbe1n@googlegroups.com:

Interesting the recent launch of a secret object into space may
have something to do with this...

Bye,
Skybuck.

You are an idiot and the only thing between your ears is space.
 
On 11/3/22 08:28, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:30:52 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:15:51 PM UTC+11, corvid
wrote:
On 11/1/22 15:14, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in
news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid
wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd
idiot can\'t get anything right. I sure hope to hell he
never pilots an airplane. What an idiot.

Yikes. At least he won\'t be chopping up people with that
propeller.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky
after the engine is shut off. Yours do that?


There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers
must know something.
I found FOUR accident reports for them. One of them a mere
wheel-up landing, another had the pilot bail out.

Another was a fatality when the ridge-soaring pilot hit a ridge.
The maggot probably just thermals over flatlands.
Even that can kill you. One of my wife\'s graduate students lost her
fiance to a crash in an international soaring competition in Poland
(which is pretty flat).

-- Bill Sloman, Sydney

Flying gliders IS a high-risk activity - I will not deny that. You
spend A LOT of your flight time in a classic stall-spin regime: high
bank angle at near stall speed. And the air around you can be quite
turbulent, which can lead to a sudden tail gust that stalls you. At
altitude, this is a non-event, but close to the terrain, it is
deadly. A good friend of mine, highly experienced with thousands of
hours in all types of aircraft, commercial and military, was killed
in this manner.

A tail gust doesn\'t stall the wing. That\'s like the \'downwind turn\'
myth. Nor does the nebulous \"near stall speed\". Bank angle doesn\'t do it
either.

Have you ever been in a spin, maybe in a C150 during training?
I imagine the glider is not approved for intentional spins, but it must
spin r-e-a-l-l-y slowly if it happens. Is there enough rudder to stop
it? Are you the test pilot?
 
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:32:11 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:08:58 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:36:43 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:14:44 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

<snip>

Be aware that even a production run of 100 is pretty high in the glider community - it is NOT a high run consumer product.

And the gliding community isn\'t all that large. With people like Gnatguy in it one can understand why.

HA HA HA HA! Bozo should LOOK IN THE MIRROR when it comes to identifying repulsive people.

Gantguy does seem to spend a lot of time looking into hos own mirror, and seems to imagine that other people have the same problem.

His problem is that he doesn\'t understand what he sees - he might modify his behavior if he did.

> Bozo spends ALL of his waking time glued to his computer screen waiting to pounce on anyone who disagrees with him.

I put in an hour or so a day. I do have other things to do and I seem to be able to type faster than Gnatguy can. I\'m not looking for people who disagree with me, but rather for people who are posting demonstrably erroneous nonsense - and Gnatguy does a lot of that.

> BTW, \"small\" means tens of thousands of glider pilots in the US, most of whom belong to clubs and don\'t personally own a glider.

Not exactly a lot of people in a country with a population of 300 million. I knew more people who went in for sailboat racing that I knew from the gliding community.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydhney
 
On 11/2/22 22:08, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:36:43 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:14:44 PM UTC-7,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in
news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid
wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd idiot
can\'t get anything right. I sure hope to hell he never
pilots an airplane. What an idiot.

Yikes. At least he won\'t be chopping up people with that
propeller.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky after
the engine is shut off. Yours do that?

There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers must
know something.

Sorry, Decadent Linux User Numero Uno, but your numbers are way
off.

But Gnatguy can\'t be bothered to post a link to a source of correct
numbers. If he did we\'d probably find out that he\'d misunderstood the
data he thought that he\'d found.

Excel spreadsheets can be had here.

https://www.faa.gov/data_research/aviation_data_statistics/civil_airmen_statistics

2021 Active Civil Airmen Statistics has glider pilots on tab 8.
With his Private Glider credentials only, the Gnat is one of 11,219.

But note that
\"An active airman is one who holds both an airmen certificate and a
valid medical certificate. Airmen who must have a valid medical to
exercise the privileges of their certificate are all airplane pilots,
rotorcraft pilots, flight navigators, and flight engineers. Glider
pilots are not required to have a medical examination but the numbers
represent only those who had a valid medical certificate on record at
the Aeronautical Center.\"

Gnatguy, and other disturbed and uncounted people, may have turned to
gliders because they\'ll never pass a medical.

Be aware that even a production run of 100 is pretty high in the
glider community - it is NOT a high run consumer product.

And the gliding community isn\'t all that large. With people like
Gnatguy in it one can understand why.
 
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:24:03 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
FlyDope <evenmorest...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:b615c81e-3aff-462f...@googlegroups.com:
Sorry, DecayedBrainMatter, but your numbers are way off. Be aware
that even a production run of 100 is pretty high in the glider
community - it is NOT a high run consumer product.
It was not a \"production run\" you fucking retard. That is the entire
number they have ever made. If it was a production line item, meny
more would have been produced, idiot. They are likely crafted one or
two at a time. The number reflects popularity in the realm. It is not
that high, and not so for the reason you tried to give.

Your ignorance is at a level unknown to mankind, fool. You have NO IDEA what serial aircraft production consists of, and have a hermetically sealed mind about learning. Production gliders are certified under the European authority EASA after all required testing protocols have been successfully completed - an involved process. The glider manufacturing market is small by US standards, being a specialized recreational aircraft:
https://www.fiormarkets.com/report/global-gliders-market-growth-2019-2024-381409.html
 
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 12:04:47 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 11/3/22 08:28, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:30:52 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:15:51 PM UTC+11, corvid
wrote:
On 11/1/22 15:14, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in
news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid
wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd
idiot can\'t get anything right. I sure hope to hell he
never pilots an airplane. What an idiot.

Yikes. At least he won\'t be chopping up people with that
propeller.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky
after the engine is shut off. Yours do that?


There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers
must know something.
I found FOUR accident reports for them. One of them a mere
wheel-up landing, another had the pilot bail out.

Another was a fatality when the ridge-soaring pilot hit a ridge.
The maggot probably just thermals over flatlands.
Even that can kill you. One of my wife\'s graduate students lost her
fiance to a crash in an international soaring competition in Poland
(which is pretty flat).

-- Bill Sloman, Sydney

Flying gliders IS a high-risk activity - I will not deny that. You
spend A LOT of your flight time in a classic stall-spin regime: high
bank angle at near stall speed. And the air around you can be quite
turbulent, which can lead to a sudden tail gust that stalls you. At
altitude, this is a non-event, but close to the terrain, it is
deadly. A good friend of mine, highly experienced with thousands of
hours in all types of aircraft, commercial and military, was killed
in this manner.
A tail gust doesn\'t stall the wing. That\'s like the \'downwind turn\'
myth. Nor does the nebulous \"near stall speed\". Bank angle doesn\'t do it
either.

Have you ever been in a spin, maybe in a C150 during training?
I imagine the glider is not approved for intentional spins, but it must
spin r-e-a-l-l-y slowly if it happens. Is there enough rudder to stop
it? Are you the test pilot?

A tail gust certainly CAN and sometimes DOES stall a glider. Being flown close to stall speed to being with, a tail gust effectively reduces the airspeed to below the stall speed. Really, this involves the critical angle of attack, which is over the head of the readers of this newsgroup, so I won\'t discuss it.

The bank angle is critical because the inside (down) wing is flying slower than the outside (up) wing, and stalls first. With the outside wing still generating lift that is no longer balanced by the inside wing, the aircraft rotates \"over the top\" and enters a spin. The rotation rate is relatively slow, but the glider rapidly accelerates being a low drag aircraft to begin with. You only have seconds to recover from the spin before the Vne (never exceed speed) is reached. Beyond this the wings will separate from the aircraft. The ONLY control surface available to you to stop this is the rudder, which must be applied counter to the direction of rotation. Once the spin is arrested you are STILL falling straight down and must CAREFULLY pull out of the dive being careful not to overstress the wings (or they will fold up like a book). Spins have been successfully recovered from in innumerable situations, but not always:
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-international-news/2008-05-09/final-report-sailplane-wing-failure-killed-engen-and-friend
 
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 4:18:21 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 12:04:47 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 11/3/22 08:28, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:30:52 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:15:51 PM UTC+11, corvid
wrote:
On 11/1/22 15:14, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote:
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote:
On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd
idiot can\'t get anything right. I sure hope to hell he
never pilots an airplane. What an idiot.

Yikes. At least he won\'t be chopping up people with that
propeller.

Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns?

ASH 31Mi

Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky
after the engine is shut off. Yours do that?


There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers
must know something.
I found FOUR accident reports for them. One of them a mere
wheel-up landing, another had the pilot bail out.

Another was a fatality when the ridge-soaring pilot hit a ridge.
The maggot probably just thermals over flatlands.
Even that can kill you. One of my wife\'s graduate students lost her
fiance to a crash in an international soaring competition in Poland
(which is pretty flat).

Flying gliders IS a high-risk activity - I will not deny that. You
spend A LOT of your flight time in a classic stall-spin regime: high
bank angle at near stall speed. And the air around you can be quite
turbulent, which can lead to a sudden tail gust that stalls you. At
altitude, this is a non-event, but close to the terrain, it is
deadly. A good friend of mine, highly experienced with thousands of
hours in all types of aircraft, commercial and military, was killed
in this manner.

A tail gust doesn\'t stall the wing. That\'s like the \'downwind turn\'
myth. Nor does the nebulous \"near stall speed\". Bank angle doesn\'t do it
either.

Have you ever been in a spin, maybe in a C150 during training?
I imagine the glider is not approved for intentional spins, but it must
spin r-e-a-l-l-y slowly if it happens. Is there enough rudder to stop
it? Are you the test pilot?

A tail gust certainly CAN and sometimes DOES stall a glider. Being flown close to stall speed to being with, a tail gust effectively reduces the airspeed to below the stall speed. Really, this involves the critical angle of attack, which is over the head of the readers of this newsgroup, so I won\'t discuss it.

What\'s complicated about the critical angle of attack? I learned about it as a kid when I was making and flying model aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_of_attack

The bank angle is critical because the inside (down) wing is flying slower than the outside (up) wing, and stalls first. With the outside wing still generating lift that is no longer balanced by the inside wing, the aircraft rotates \"over the top\" and enters a spin. The rotation rate is relatively slow, but the glider rapidly accelerates being a low drag aircraft to begin with. You only have seconds to recover from the spin before the Vne (never exceed speed) is reached. Beyond this the wings will separate from the aircraft. The ONLY control surface available to you to stop this is the rudder, which must be applied counter to the direction of rotation. Once the spin is arrested you are STILL falling straight down and must CAREFULLY pull out of the dive being careful not to overstress the wings (or they will fold up like a book). Spins have been successfully recovered from in innumerable situations, but not always:

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-international-news/2008-05-09/final-report-sailplane-wing-failure-killed-engen-and-friend

You\'ve got to stall one of the wings to enter a spin, but if you aren\'t turning, you can stall without entering a spin.

You typically circle a thermal to pick up height, and that does mean banking the glider to some extent, but flying excessively tight circles would mean that you\'d pick up less height that you might.

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/glider_handbook/media/gfh_ch09.pdf

puts the typical diameter of a thermal at about 1000 feet, which doesn\'t sound all that tight.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 

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