A dozen cheap junk-box parts... Assembled, they go for $50

[Norm Dresner]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3FA4BE4B.3895@armory.com...

"THAT" patient is the one who got immediate surgery and was actually
only conscious for the last few days of his life, because he died
despite the "success" of the surgery! The efficacy of bypass surgery
is highly questionable.

The efficacy of bypass surgery in my case (and in the case of everyone
else I know personally) was quite successful! I don't know where you're
getting your information from.

Norm

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Norm Dresner wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3FA4BE4B.3895@armory.com...
"THAT" patient is the one who got immediate surgery and was actually
only conscious for the last few days of his life, because he died
despite the "success" of the surgery! The efficacy of bypass surgery
is highly questionable.

The efficacy of bypass surgery in my case (and in the case of everyone
else I know personally) was quite successful! I don't know where you're
getting your information from.

Norm
--------------

I know it's better than it was, and I know that the immediate
alleviation of symptoms in the case of ACS is dramatic, but it
is not quite yet shown to reliably extend life. I admit to
wanting it if exigency overtakes me, but I know the facts about
it, that it is not yet proved longevity-wise. Good luck.

-Steve
--
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[Andre]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:<3FA5D484.7149@armory.com>...

Norm Dresner wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3FA4BE4B.3895@armory.com...
"THAT" patient is the one who got immediate surgery and was actually
only conscious for the last few days of his life, because he died
despite the "success" of the surgery! The efficacy of bypass surgery
is highly questionable.

The efficacy of bypass surgery in my case (and in the case of everyone
else I know personally) was quite successful! I don't know where you're
getting your information from.

Norm
--------------
I know it's better than it was, and I know that the immediate
alleviation of symptoms in the case of ACS is dramatic, but it
is not quite yet shown to reliably extend life. I admit to
wanting it if exigency overtakes me, but I know the facts about
it, that it is not yet proved longevity-wise. Good luck.

Isn't this the same argument used for not using ICD's on all cardiac
arrythmia/heart attack cases ? That is, the cost of the device is so
high that its use is only justified within certain bounds (younger
patients). IOW they let patients die purely for financial reasons -
this is NOT ethical.

If bypass surgery was performed *before* symptoms arose (regular scans
after a certain age, or depending on other factors like HBP) it might
save money in the long run by reducing the number of cardiac invalids.

If a surgical intervention results in good health for 10 years if done
early but costs $60,000 say, this works out as a saving if done early
on rather than after permanent damage is done to the heart , rendering
the patient unable to work or contribute to society (and a greater
cost to the taxpayer further down the line).

Comments ?

(My $0.02 worth)

-Steve

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Andre wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:<3FA5D484.7149@armory.com>...
Norm Dresner wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3FA4BE4B.3895@armory.com...
"THAT" patient is the one who got immediate surgery and was actually
only conscious for the last few days of his life, because he died
despite the "success" of the surgery! The efficacy of bypass surgery
is highly questionable.

The efficacy of bypass surgery in my case (and in the case of everyone
else I know personally) was quite successful! I don't know where you're
getting your information from.

Norm
--------------
I know it's better than it was, and I know that the immediate
alleviation of symptoms in the case of ACS is dramatic, but it
is not quite yet shown to reliably extend life. I admit to
wanting it if exigency overtakes me, but I know the facts about
it, that it is not yet proved longevity-wise. Good luck.

Isn't this the same argument used for not using ICD's on all cardiac
arrythmia/heart attack cases ? That is, the cost of the device is so
high that its use is only justified within certain bounds (younger
patients). IOW they let patients die purely for financial reasons -
this is NOT ethical.

If bypass surgery was performed *before* symptoms arose (regular scans
after a certain age, or depending on other factors like HBP) it might
save money in the long run by reducing the number of cardiac invalids.

If a surgical intervention results in good health for 10 years if done
early but costs $60,000 say, this works out as a saving if done early
on rather than after permanent damage is done to the heart , rendering
the patient unable to work or contribute to society (and a greater
cost to the taxpayer further down the line).

Comments ?

(My $0.02 worth)

-Steve
----------------------------------

I agree if the technology works that it should be equally available,
my question was whether it could be said to work.

-Steve
--
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Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[Andre]

dmb06851@yahoo.com (dB) wrote in message news:<1757808.0310261247.424b2fe5@posting.google.com>...

Yes Herbert, it's an absolute disgrace.

Same thing with hearing aids.

I made one for my Mother for the cost of a few beers.

PIC 12F675 based hearing aid ?

Feed analogue input into one of the pins, process, and output on two
pins to piezo transducer including internal filtering to compensate
for non-linear performance of the piezo.

-A