45-degree diagonal cutters?

[DaveC]

I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave

 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:29:29 -0800, DaveC <invalid@invalid.net>wrote:

I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wire+nipper

I have a newer pair of Xcelite nippers. If the above link does you no
good I'll grab them when I get back to the shop and post the part
number.

 

[DaveC]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wire+nipper

"wire nipper" just gives me millions of hits. Adding "45 degree" is what I
need. And already did. Hence my question here.

I have a newer pair of Xcelite nippers. If the above link does you no
good I'll grab them when I get back to the shop and post the part
number.

Are they 45-degree type? Yes, I'd appreciate a pn.

Thanks!

 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:37:15 -0800, DaveC <invalid@invalid.net>wrote:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wire+nipper

"wire nipper" just gives me millions of hits. Adding "45 degree" is what I
need. And already did. Hence my question here.

Most nippers are 45, diag cutters are a totally different animal.

I have a newer pair of Xcelite nippers. If the above link does you no
good I'll grab them when I get back to the shop and post the part
number.

Are they 45-degree type? Yes, I'd appreciate a pn.

Thanks!

Xcelite 170M

:http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/xcelite/pliersandcutters/shearcutters.htm#00033900?ref=gbase

 

[Rich.]

"DaveC" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C7982CF900D218CEB08A39AF@news.eternal-september.org...

I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

http://www.restockit.com/4-Angled-Fc-Pliers-(188-GA54JV).html?source=froogle&Bvar5=100F1&Bvar6=100F1&Bvar7=100F1

 

[life imitates life]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:29:29 -0800, DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:

I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave

Such tools are still around, but I have never seen a flush cutter that
had a half inch long cutting jaw. Ever.

Try hunting up Lindstrom on ebay if you want the absolute best Swiss
steel hand tools. Not cheap.

Alternatively, Xcelite dies still exist and they as well as a few other
inhabit the bottom of the market, from a quality POV.

Regular flush cutters are cheap steel, don't last long, and only cost
about $8 each, so they get bought by the case in boxes of ten.

The angled pair are usually single sales items though. The bottom end
has them for about $5 more each, and the top end has them at a similar
price to all the others because they are all expensive at that level.

They are also worth it.

If you want a pair that will last decades, and is fully serviceable,
and uses the hardest steel and tightest tolerances, Lindstrom shares no
equal. Well worth the typical $35 - $55 a pair.

 

[life imitates life]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:24:22 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:37:15 -0800, DaveC <invalid@invalid.net>wrote:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wire+nipper

"wire nipper" just gives me millions of hits. Adding "45 degree" is what I
need. And already did. Hence my question here.

Most nippers are 45, diag cutters are a totally different animal.

Not true. "nippers" are various, and there "norm" varies from USER to
USER, and no, the industry does not "usually use 45 degree" as was
inferred by your remark. Most were.... AT the shithole you were at at
the time.

Most at two of the places I have been were the other variety. You
probably knew that was an incorrect statement, the moment you hit the
period key.

I have a newer pair of Xcelite nippers. If the above link does you no
good I'll grab them when I get back to the shop and post the part
number.

Are they 45-degree type? Yes, I'd appreciate a pn.

Thanks!

Xcelite 170M

:http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/xcelite/pliersandcutters/shearcutters.htm#00033900?ref=gbase

The Lindstroms are worth the extra outlay if a long term, personal tool
is desired. For a production level, multi-user tool, the lower quality
steel, shorter life span brands are cheaper and are the better value for
such a setting. It just depends on who the tool is for, how well they
take care of their tools, and the term you wish the tool to last for.

 

[life imitates life]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:31:18 -0500, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net> wrote:

"DaveC" <invalid@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C7982CF900D218CEB08A39AF@news.eternal-september.org...
I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

Jeez, for $27 plus tax and shipping? Damn. For about $5 more, you can
simply buy the best steel in the world. Lindstrom.

If you are putting out that much already, what is adding 5% for a
twofold gain in quality?

If you do not want to spend that much, the cheap Xcelite, and Plato
brands, etc. are the right choice, and you shouldn't spend more than $12
each for a ten pack of them. Also worth it. If you are buying the
cheaper brands, you should buy at least two, if not the ten pack, because
they will wear due to the softer steels used. The Swiss brand will last
forever or until you break them via some form of abuse or other.

 

[life imitates life]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:29:29 -0800, DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:

I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lindstrom-7291-Supreme-Oblique-Flush-Endcutter-new_W0QQitemZ300379118309QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Electrical_Equipment_Tools?hash=item45effd9ae5

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lindstrom-2211B-Oblique-Top-Cutter-Plier-Jewelers-Tool_W0QQitemZ110493144012QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b9e793cc

 

[Fred Abse]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:49:02 -0800, life imitates life wrote:

Try hunting up Lindstrom on ebay if you want the absolute best Swiss
steel hand tools. Not cheap.

Swedish.


--
"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference
is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)

 

[Fred Abse]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:54:40 -0800, life imitates life wrote:

The Lindstroms are worth the extra outlay if a long term, personal tool
is desired. For a production level, multi-user tool, the lower quality
steel, shorter life span brands are cheaper and are the better value for
such a setting. It just depends on who the tool is for, how well they
take care of their tools, and the term you wish the tool to last for.

I've got Lindstroms that I've had 30 years. Look their age, but still work
as good as ever. The newer ones aren't as good, IMHO.

Golden rule: Never, under any circumstances, lend cutters to *anyone*.
Never let them out of your sight / control.

--
"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference
is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)

 

[Sansui Samari]

On Feb 10, 5:26 pm, life imitates life
<pastic...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:29:29 -0800, DaveC <inva...@invalid.net> wrote:
I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle..

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lindstrom-7291-Supreme-Oblique-Flush-Endcutter-ne...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lindstrom-2211B-Oblique-Top-Cutter-Plier-Jewelers...

I cobbed a bunch of lindstrom cutters and pliers from a place I worked
at years ago. They were going belly up and tossed out boxes of the
things. I'm still using the few that I haven't given away or broken.
As long as you don't use them to cut steal (hence the broken cutters)
they are awesome. I wish I would have grabbed more.

 

[Greegor]

On Feb 11, 2:39 am, Sansui Samari <jimjam1...@gmail.com> wrote:

I cobbed a bunch of lindstrom cutters and pliers from a place I worked
at years ago.  They were going belly up and tossed out boxes of the
things.  I'm still using the few that I haven't given away or broken.
As long as you don't use them to cut steal (hence the broken cutters)
they are awesome. I wish I would have grabbed more.

Were they going belly up because of buying only the finest, or despite
of that?

At the liquidation sales for some bankrupt companies, sometimes
I have seen hard, tangeable evidence of WHY they went broke.

 

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

Fred Abse wrote:

Golden rule: Never, under any circumstances, lend cutters to *anyone*.
Never let them out of your sight / control.

That in my humble opionion is just plain silly. If you refuse to lend people
tools when they ask, they wait until you are not looking and borrow them
anyway.

The best thing to do, IMHO is to buy several sets of medium grade tools, i.e.
cheap but not the best. Still capable of doing the job, but nothing you would
worry about if it came back unusable.

Then you leave one set around for people to borrow and lend them
out agressively.

The good tools you keep locked up and never even let them know you have them.



I used to have a guy who worked for me part time who was constantly having
his tools stolen. From screwdrivers to floor pullers. I just bought a bunch of
screwdrivers for him and on his days off, I went around and collected them
from where he left them.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM
New word I coined 12/13/09, "Sub-Wikipedia" adj, describing knowledge or
understanding, as in he has a sub-wikipedia understanding of the situation.
i.e possessing less facts or information than can be found in the Wikipedia.

 

[life imitates life]

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:38:26 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greegor47@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Feb 11, 2:39 am, Sansui Samari <jimjam1...@gmail.com> wrote:
I cobbed a bunch of lindstrom cutters and pliers from a place I worked
at years ago.  They were going belly up and tossed out boxes of the
things.  I'm still using the few that I haven't given away or broken.
As long as you don't use them to cut steal (hence the broken cutters)
they are awesome. I wish I would have grabbed more.

Were they going belly up because of buying only the finest, or despite
of that?

At the liquidation sales for some bankrupt companies, sometimes
I have seen hard, tangeable evidence of WHY they went broke.

I think you assign "hard and tangible" to others when it can be
assigned to you. Hard and tangible evidence that your statistical
analysis prowess ain't that great.

If the difference between buying $600 worth of cheap shit tools or
$5000 worth of long lasting, high quality tools is a figure that you
think could break just about any company, I think you do not know much
about it at all.

Good hand tools yield added value that is directly measured in labor.

Just the time it takes to get the lead to go to the cabinet to get you
a new pair of cheap shit cutters, when the good pair would have you still
sailing along in your job.

The one place where I will economize value out of price is with
computers. You will NEVER see me becoming a Mac retard. The idiots
actually think that they are smarter because they paid twice as much for
their computer, and the whole fucking crew is a group of total geeks.

It is really sad what has happened to the Mac world. I have never seen
a group of brand loyalists so 'affected' by the mindset of their fellow
owners. I have been trying to remember the last time my Windows machine
at work or here crashed like the Apple retard commercials all claim. All
the dopes at the Macworld TV show I watched a bit of the other day
actually think that we sit at out machines and fight crashes all day.
Are they really so stupid that they believe the ads Apple spewed upon the
world?

Are you?

 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:54:40 -0800, life imitates life
<pasticcio@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>wrote:

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:24:22 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:37:15 -0800, DaveC <invalid@invalid.net>wrote:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wire+nipper

"wire nipper" just gives me millions of hits. Adding "45 degree" is what I
need. And already did. Hence my question here.

Most nippers are 45, diag cutters are a totally different animal.

Not true. "nippers" are various, and there "norm" varies from USER to
USER, and no, the industry does not "usually use 45 degree" as was
inferred by your remark. Most were.... AT the shithole you were at at
the time.

Most at two of the places I have been were the other variety. You
probably knew that was an incorrect statement, the moment you hit the
period key.

That's nice YMMV

I have a newer pair of Xcelite nippers. If the above link does you no
good I'll grab them when I get back to the shop and post the part
number.

Are they 45-degree type? Yes, I'd appreciate a pn.

Thanks!

Xcelite 170M

:http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/xcelite/pliersandcutters/shearcutters.htm#00033900?ref=gbase

The Lindstroms are worth the extra outlay if a long term, personal tool
is desired. For a production level, multi-user tool, the lower quality
steel, shorter life span brands are cheaper and are the better value for
such a setting. It just depends on who the tool is for, how well they
take care of their tools, and the term you wish the tool to last for.

Never heard of Lindstrom

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <3gttkt.5qe.17.6@news.alt.net>,
Meat Plow wrote:

The Lindstroms are worth the extra outlay if a long term, personal tool
is desired. For a production level, multi-user tool, the lower quality
steel, shorter life span brands are cheaper and are the better value for
such a setting. It just depends on who the tool is for, how well they
take care of their tools, and the term you wish the tool to last for.

Never heard of Lindstrom

Fairly well known as the 'Rolls Royce' of cutters etc. But debatable if
they are worth the cost. If you're only doing the things those cutters
were designed for, like snipping copper leads, cheaper ones treated as
disposable can be fine. And use a 'disposed' of pair for the things that
could damage the good ones.

But I do have some Lindstrom tools.

--
*I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Fred Abse]

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:49:03 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

That in my humble opionion is just plain silly. If you refuse to lend people
tools when they ask, they wait until you are not looking and borrow them
anyway.

They get fired!

--
"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference
is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)

 

[Fred Abse]

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:04:03 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Fred Abse wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:49:03 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

That in my humble opionion is just plain silly. If you refuse to lend people
tools when they ask, they wait until you are not looking and borrow them
anyway.

They get fired!

That only works if:

1. You are high enough up the food chain to do anything about it.

Yes, I am.

2. Have less invested in them than the tools.

When it comes to finding you haven't got the tools to do the job and get
it out on deadline because of some idiot, that idiot's no investment.

Maybe a small company with a few employees of no particular skills, but
in the real world?

Not *that* small. Many longtime employees with irreplaceable skills who
know better than to borrow tools without asking. They have their own
tools. If they want more, we buy them. They wouldn't lend me theirs,
not that I'd ask.

It's called discipline and commitment.

--
"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference
is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)

 

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

Fred Abse wrote:

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:49:03 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

That in my humble opionion is just plain silly. If you refuse to lend people
tools when they ask, they wait until you are not looking and borrow them
anyway.

They get fired!

That only works if:

1. You are high enough up the food chain to do anything about it.

2. Have less invested in them than the tools.

Maybe a small company with a few employees of no particular skills, but
in the real world?

Geoff.


--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM
New word I coined 12/13/09, "Sub-Wikipedia" adj, describing knowledge or
understanding, as in he has a sub-wikipedia understanding of the situation.
i.e possessing less facts or information than can be found in the Wikipedia.