$210 Billion In PV Would Reverse Osmosis All the Rise In Sea

[Bret Cahill]

If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.


Bret Cahill

 

[Unum]

On 1/2/2013 12:26 PM, Bret Cahill wrote:

If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.

Cool idea, but then you have to figure out what to do with
all of the brine.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 1/2/2013 6:36 PM, Unum wrote:

On 1/2/2013 12:26 PM, Bret Cahill wrote:
If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

Why NOT divert the excess wind/solar power that they already have to
running the R/O for water aquifer replenishing, and why not pump the
water all the way up to the highest point around and allow it to be used
later in hydro generation as gravity has it flowing down the well to the
Aquifer?


Then you can release the water into the aquifer only when there is a
lack of wind or solar as sequestered energy to be used by a hydro
generator only when needed.....


Killed 3 birds with one stone/windmill.... clean bottled/tap water,
ocean rise mitigation and Solar/Wind energy balancing by storage.

Cool idea, but then you have to figure out what to do with
all of the brine.

Store dried salt by refilling old salt mines. Sell it to Morton.... for
recouping the cost and sell the water as bottled water and supply cities
like Vegas with an interstate pipe line. Sell it with a *GREEN LABEL*
and explain that drinking this water saves the planet and the drowning
children in Bangladesh.

The Water after being used by Vegas could then be treated and sent to
settling ponds to allow the water to naturally filter down to the aquifer.

 

[Bret Cahill]

If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.

Cool idea, but then you have to figure out what to do with
all of the brine.

That will resalinate the ocean from all the fresh water from the ice
melt runoff.

Basically the transfer is fresh water from ice to the ground.


Bret Cahill

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Unum wrote:

On 1/2/2013 12:26 PM, Bret Cahill wrote:
If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.

Cool idea, but then you have to figure out what to do with
all of the brine.

Preserve usenet trolls in it?

 

[Unum]

On 1/2/2013 7:23 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Unum wrote:

On 1/2/2013 12:26 PM, Bret Cahill wrote:
If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.

Cool idea, but then you have to figure out what to do with
all of the brine.


Preserve usenet trolls in it?

Pickled trolls. Mmmmm

 

[$27 TRILLION to pay for K]

Bret Cahill wrote:

If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.


Bret Cahill

Spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.

 

[Bret Cahill]

If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.

Spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.

Every enthusiastic supporter of free marketry knows free marketry
ain't possible without _someone_ spending.

With seaquestration, however, we spend a whole lot less.


Bret Cahill

 

[Tom P]

On 01/03/2013 12:51 AM, Bret Cahill wrote:

If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.

Cool idea, but then you have to figure out what to do with
all of the brine.

That will resalinate the ocean from all the fresh water from the ice
melt runoff.

Basically the transfer is fresh water from ice to the ground.


Bret Cahill





It's an interesting idea, but I'd like to check the figures. Here's some

info on the economics-
http://www.oas.org/dsd/publications/Unit/oea59e/ch20.htm

Desalinated water is much too valuable just for agriculture, there are
over 1 billion people in the world without access to safe drinking
water. Combine the two and you have a geoengineering project that makes
sense for a change.

 

[Sleepalot]

Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com> wrote:

If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

If it was me, I'd irrigate Spain, N.Africa, etc, with some of that water.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.


Bret Cahill

For a couple of million you could flood the Qattara Depression - it's only

about 50km from the Mediterranean coast - using windmills and ditches.

That would;
Lower sea-levels a little.
Create flamingo habitat.
Create a Dead Sea type tourism facility.
Create a salt industry.
Reduce regional temperature.
Increase rainfall somewhere a little.

....

Ha! I've been saying this for years, and today I find people have actually been
looking into it.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qattara_Depression_Project>

Of course wikipeadia goes full-stupid, talking about nuclear explosions. Tsk.

 

[Sleepalot]

Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> wrote:

On 1/2/2013 12:26 PM, Bret Cahill wrote:
If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.

Cool idea, but then you have to figure out what to do with
all of the brine.

Put it back in the sea. The sea can only get so salty, after which point the
salt precipitates out and falls to the sea-floor.

 

[Sleepalot]

Tom P <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote:

On 01/03/2013 12:51 AM, Bret Cahill wrote:
If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.

Cool idea, but then you have to figure out what to do with
all of the brine.

That will resalinate the ocean from all the fresh water from the ice
melt runoff.

Basically the transfer is fresh water from ice to the ground.


Bret Cahill





It's an interesting idea, but I'd like to check the figures. Here's some
info on the economics-
http://www.oas.org/dsd/publications/Unit/oea59e/ch20.htm

Desalinated water is much too valuable just for agriculture, there are
over 1 billion people in the world without access to safe drinking
water. Combine the two and you have a geoengineering project that makes
sense for a change.

So send the water to a city in return for sewerage: treat the sewerage, and
you've got soil-conditioner and irrigation water.

 

[Tom P]

On 01/02/2013 07:26 PM, Bret Cahill wrote:

If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.


Bret Cahill





It's a great idea, but using these figures -

http://www.oas.org/dsd/publications/Unit/oea59e/ch20.htm
and a melt rate of around 100 km3 per year, you'd need at least $210
billion just to build the desalination plants, let alone the PV plants.
I'd still have to estimate how much PV capacity is required.

The other problem is that it does nothing to actually stop global
warming. That means that on the BAU model you can expect the melt rate
to continue up to the icecap tipping point, after which it starts to
shoot up exponentially. That means that however you cut it, in the long
run you're going to have 70 meters of water level rise, regardless
whether it's salt water or drinkable.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 1/3/2013 10:24 AM, Tom P wrote:

On 01/02/2013 07:26 PM, Bret Cahill wrote:
If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.


Bret Cahill

Isn't there a problem of the salinity of the water causing the warm cold
inversion?


SO doing as you suggest and returning the waste water with the salt in
it would raise the salt concentration back to its "original"
concentration?


I think Liberals should start a NOT for profit corporate desalination
project to save the planet from Global Warming.


This can't be done by government.

 

[Tom P]

On 01/03/2013 04:13 AM, $27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto wrote:

Bret Cahill wrote:
If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.


Bret Cahill

Spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.

To put that sum of $210 billion into context, Munich Re has just
announced that in 2012, natural catastrophes caused over $160 billion
worth of damage worldwide. Hurricane Sandy caused an estimated $25 billion.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2013/01/03/275865.htm

 

[Unum]

On 1/3/2013 11:58 AM, Tom P wrote:

On 01/03/2013 04:13 AM, $27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto wrote:


Bret Cahill wrote:
If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.


Bret Cahill

Spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.


To put that sum of $210 billion into context, Munich Re has just announced
that in 2012, natural catastrophes caused over $160 billion worth of damage
worldwide. Hurricane Sandy caused an estimated $25 billion.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2013/01/03/275865.htm

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/01/03/boehner-caves-agrees-to-hurricane-sandy-aid-vote-on-friday/

Aid package to be voted on totaling $60 billion. If Toronto had
been hit harder that Richard Anderson dirtbag would have been
screaming for relief money.

 

[1treePetrifiedForestLane]

PVs are unpremeditated expanses of urban heat-islanding, although
there are some that also heat water. anyway,
Morner's datum shows that there is no sealevel rise,
beyond "eustatic rebound from last glacial maximum," and
he ought t'know.

"global" warming, it is to snicker.

The other problem is that it does nothing to actually stop global
warming. That means that on the BAU model you can expect the melt rate
to continue up to the icecap tipping point, after which it starts to
shoot up exponentially.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:26:50 -0800, Bret Cahill wrote:

If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and cheaper
than sea walling every port city on the planet.


Bret Cahill

Crank.

I bet you have no idea why it is crank.

 

[Bret Cahill]

If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

If it was me, I'd irrigate Spain, N.Africa, etc, with some of that water.

Most of it needs to be injected where it won't evaporate and will help
prevent sink holes.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.

Bret Cahill

For a couple of million you could flood the Qattara Depression - it's only
about 50km from the Mediterranean coast - using windmills and ditches.

That would;
Lower sea-levels a little.
Create flamingo habitat.
Create a Dead Sea type tourism facility.
Create a salt industry.
Reduce regional temperature.
Increase rainfall somewhere a little.

...

Ha!  I've been saying this for years, and today I find people have actually been
looking into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qattara_Depression_Project

Of course wikipeadia goes full-stupid, talking about nuclear explosions. Tsk.

 

[Bret Cahill]

If the volume of sea level rise is 0.2 km^3/hr or 350 GW to power the
reverse osmosis pumps or about $210 billion in PV at $0.60/watt.

The water can be injected into the aquifers to buy some time.

There are other costs, i.e., canals, etc. but this is faster and
cheaper than sea walling every port city on the planet.

Bret Cahill

It's a great idea, but using these figures -http://www.oas.org/dsd/publications/Unit/oea59e/ch20.htm
and a melt rate of around 100 km3 per year, you'd need at least $210
billion just to build the desalination plants, let alone the PV plants.

All of the water doesn't have to be desalinated. In California it's
illegal to inject anything into the aquifer, however, in some places
the geo thermal brine is so toxic it might not be hard to get the
state to provide a varuience.

Consider that a acre foot of R.O. costs a few hundred dollars in
electricity at today's rates and an acre of berries and many other
crops can fetch $40,000.

Some farmer from Salinas was telling me farm land in Salinas _rents_
for $60,000 / acre - year. Maybe he meant a quarter square.

I'd still have to estimate how much PV capacity is required.

That calculates from the 8 MPa pressure needed for R. O.

The other problem is that it does nothing to actually stop global
warming. That means that on the BAU model you can expect the melt rate
to continue up to the icecap tipping point, after which it starts to
shoot up exponentially. That means that however you cut it, in the long
run you're going to have 70 meters of water level rise, regardless
whether it's salt water or drinkable.

Before we discuss point C the IPCC _better_ come up with a plan to get
to point B.


Bret Cahill