2-terminal negative resistance circuits

piglet wrote...
Also easy with two BJTs ...

Eric, I'm not sure your listed email is valid, could
you email me at winfieldhill@yahoo.com? Thanks!


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Thanks,
- Win
 
On 7/4/19 10:25 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 5:07:55 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On 4 Jul 2019 11:23:58 -0700, Winfield Hill
wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote...

[ snip ]

Bill, you're getting awfully snarky in your old age.

He should design something. He might feel better.

Did he ever finish that world shaking low distortion oscillator he started about a decade ago?

Who needs women in one's life when senior citizens can provide the same
amount drama at a much lower price! Cat fight! Cat fight!
 
On 7/5/19 5:43 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jul 2019 20:09:15 -0500, amdx wrote:

Maybe you did, but I see by your responses to John's posts, you are
very jealous of what he does.

Mikek

'Envious and resentful' pretty much covers it.

OH NO HE DI-INT

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OR-WrLORYE>
 
On 7/5/19 11:21 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
o pere o wrote:
On 4/7/19 12:29, Robert Baer wrote:
   2-terminal negative resistance circuits anyone?

   Most especially "Z" types.

   Thanks.

Cross-coupled transistor pair.

Pere
  Sorry, do not see it.  How about a SPICE to show it?

Thanks.

They seem to be the option of choice for CMOS oscillators (or VCO)
nowadays. Have a look at
https://www.seas.ucla.edu/brweb/papers/Journals/BR_Magzine1.pdf and the
following papers in the series for an introduction to it.

Pere
 
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 5:45:00 AM UTC+2, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 21:43:31 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jul 2019 20:09:15 -0500, amdx wrote:

Maybe you did, but I see by your responses to John's posts, you are
very jealous of what he does.

'Envious and resentful' pretty much covers it.

That sums up "leftism" pretty well.

Granting that krw and Cursitor Doom pretty much corner the local market for envy and resentment, "rightism" might be a better summation.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:43:35 PM UTC+2, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jul 2019 20:09:15 -0500, amdx wrote:

Maybe you did, but I see by your responses to John's posts, you are
very jealous of what he does.

'Envious and resentful' pretty much covers it.

Like I said, I may envy John Larkin's capacity to make money out of what he does, but it's not the kind of work I'm good at, liked and used to get paid for, so I'm not actually envious, or resentful.

John Larkin has found his niche, and it suits him. There are all sorts of ecological niches, and evolution has thrown up creatures who can exploit them. I'm definitely not going to try to compete to exploit his particular niche.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 7/7/2019 10:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 7/4/19 10:25 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 5:07:55 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On 4 Jul 2019 11:23:58 -0700, Winfield Hill
wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote...

  [ snip ]

Bill, you're getting awfully snarky in your old age.

He should design something. He might feel better.

Did he ever finish that world shaking low distortion oscillator he
started about a decade ago?


Who needs women in one's life when senior citizens can provide the same
amount drama at a much lower price! Cat fight! Cat fight!

Yes, except one cat just keeps moving forward getting things done
while the other acts like a kitten pawing at his heels.

Mikek
 
On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 3:27:31 PM UTC+2, amdx wrote:
On 7/7/2019 10:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 7/4/19 10:25 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 5:07:55 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On 4 Jul 2019 11:23:58 -0700, Winfield Hill
wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote...

  [ snip ]

Bill, you're getting awfully snarky in your old age.

He should design something. He might feel better.

Did he ever finish that world shaking low distortion oscillator he
started about a decade ago?

Who needs women in one's life when senior citizens can provide the same
amount drama at a much lower price! Cat fight! Cat fight!

Yes, except one cat just keeps moving forward getting things done
while the other acts like a kitten pawing at his heels.

Cats don't have heels. This user group has more than it needs.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 9:20:02 PM UTC+2, Robert Baer wrote:
Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 4:35:04 PM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 02:29:38 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

2-terminal negative resistance circuits anyone?

Most especially "Z" types.

Thanks.

As a college ee project, I built a 2-terminal negative resistance box,
with an opamp and a couple of 9 volt batteries. If you plug in a
negative value for R into the common RC and RLC circuits, the math
still works and the waveforms are radical.

I don't think my instructor understood it.

One might suspect that he understood it better than you did, and consequently wasn't giving you the sort of postive feedback that you seem expect from all your interactions.

They tended to not understand a lot of things that I did. That's another discussion.

Then again, neither do you, and you aren't great at discussion - if you aren't getting praised, you stop listening.

Would that be an example of negative resistance?

More of ignore-ance.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-4, Arie de Muynck wrote:
On 2019-07-05 09:09, piglet wrote:
On 04/07/2019 10:43 pm, Dave Platt wrote:

Lambda diode (e.g. two JFETs).

Or indeed one fet and one bjt.

piglet


Like https://w3jdr.wordpress.com/lambda-diode-experiments/

Nice circuit! Why isn't that in the AoE?
(at least not in the index)

Arie

Fun thread! Can someone explain (hand waving is fine) what the pnp
is doing in the above circuit? I can understand the classic lamda diode.
Here,
http://www.vk6fh.com/vk6fh/lambda_diode.htm
And keep trying to see the pnp as some current source.

George H.
 
On 2019-07-08 19:24, George Herold wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-4, Arie de Muynck wrote:
On 2019-07-05 09:09, piglet wrote:
On 04/07/2019 10:43 pm, Dave Platt wrote:

Lambda diode (e.g. two JFETs).

Or indeed one fet and one bjt.

piglet


Like https://w3jdr.wordpress.com/lambda-diode-experiments/

Nice circuit! Why isn't that in the AoE?
(at least not in the index)

Arie

Fun thread! Can someone explain (hand waving is fine) what the pnp
is doing in the above circuit? I can understand the classic lamda diode.
Here,
http://www.vk6fh.com/vk6fh/lambda_diode.htm
And keep trying to see the pnp as some current source.

George H.

No, the PNP is an emitter follower with a low output impedance toward
the FET. A low V1 produces a low J1 source voltage, the FET is on and
draws current. When the V1 voltage rises, the PNP emitter and the FET
source voltage rises too, the FET sees a lower Vgs and cuts off, so the
total current drawn diminishes. Hence, the negative resistance effect.
When the FET is fully cut off the remaining impedance is only R1 + R2.

Arie
 
On 2019-07-08 19:58, Arie de Muynck wrote:
On 2019-07-08 19:24, George Herold wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-4, Arie de Muynck wrote:
On 2019-07-05 09:09, piglet wrote:
On 04/07/2019 10:43 pm, Dave Platt wrote:

Lambda diode (e.g. two JFETs).

Or indeed one fet and one bjt.

piglet


Like  https://w3jdr.wordpress.com/lambda-diode-experiments/

Nice circuit! Why isn't that in the AoE?
(at least not in the index)

Arie

Fun thread!  Can someone explain (hand waving is fine) what the pnp
is doing in the above circuit?  I can understand the classic lamda diode.
Here,
http://www.vk6fh.com/vk6fh/lambda_diode.htm
And keep trying to see the pnp as some current source.

George H.


No, the PNP is an emitter follower with a low output impedance toward
the FET. A low V1 produces a low J1 source voltage, the FET is on and
draws current. When the V1 voltage rises, the PNP emitter and the FET
source voltage rises too, the FET sees a lower Vgs and cuts off, so the
total current drawn diminishes. Hence, the negative resistance effect.
When the FET is fully cut off the remaining impedance is only R1 + R2.

Arie
(My description is for the
https://w3jdr.wordpress.com/lambda-diode-experiments/ link).
 
On 2019-07-08 19:24, George Herold wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-4, Arie de Muynck wrote:
On 2019-07-05 09:09, piglet wrote:
On 04/07/2019 10:43 pm, Dave Platt wrote:

Lambda diode (e.g. two JFETs).

Or indeed one fet and one bjt.

piglet


Like https://w3jdr.wordpress.com/lambda-diode-experiments/

Nice circuit! Why isn't that in the AoE?
(at least not in the index)

Arie

Fun thread! Can someone explain (hand waving is fine) what the pnp
is doing in the above circuit? I can understand the classic lamda diode.
Here,
http://www.vk6fh.com/vk6fh/lambda_diode.htm
And keep trying to see the pnp as some current source.

George H.

In http://www.vk6fh.com/vk6fh/lambda_diode.htm I see the circuit
differently, not as a lambda diode.
T1 (FET) is a high input impedance voltage source follower, T2 (PNP) is
a grounded base amplifier with a high impedance current output.
There is no phase reversal. The gain is set by varying the FET Vgs,
changing its transconductance.

Arie
 
On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 1:58:41 PM UTC-4, Arie de Muynck wrote:
On 2019-07-08 19:24, George Herold wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-4, Arie de Muynck wrote:
On 2019-07-05 09:09, piglet wrote:
On 04/07/2019 10:43 pm, Dave Platt wrote:

Lambda diode (e.g. two JFETs).

Or indeed one fet and one bjt.

piglet


Like https://w3jdr.wordpress.com/lambda-diode-experiments/

Nice circuit! Why isn't that in the AoE?
(at least not in the index)

Arie

Fun thread! Can someone explain (hand waving is fine) what the pnp
is doing in the above circuit? I can understand the classic lamda diode.
Here,
http://www.vk6fh.com/vk6fh/lambda_diode.htm
And keep trying to see the pnp as some current source.

George H.


No, the PNP is an emitter follower with a low output impedance toward
the FET. A low V1 produces a low J1 source voltage, the FET is on and
draws current. When the V1 voltage rises, the PNP emitter and the FET
source voltage rises too, the FET sees a lower Vgs and cuts off, so the
total current drawn diminishes. Hence, the negative resistance effect.
When the FET is fully cut off the remaining impedance is only R1 + R2.

Arie

Thanks Arie, that makes sense.
GH
 
On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 2:18:40 PM UTC-4, Arie de Muynck wrote:
On 2019-07-08 19:24, George Herold wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-4, Arie de Muynck wrote:
On 2019-07-05 09:09, piglet wrote:
On 04/07/2019 10:43 pm, Dave Platt wrote:

Lambda diode (e.g. two JFETs).

Or indeed one fet and one bjt.

piglet


Like https://w3jdr.wordpress.com/lambda-diode-experiments/

Nice circuit! Why isn't that in the AoE?
(at least not in the index)

Arie

Fun thread! Can someone explain (hand waving is fine) what the pnp
is doing in the above circuit? I can understand the classic lamda diode.
Here,
http://www.vk6fh.com/vk6fh/lambda_diode.htm
And keep trying to see the pnp as some current source.

George H.


In http://www.vk6fh.com/vk6fh/lambda_diode.htm I see the circuit
differently, not as a lambda diode.
T1 (FET) is a high input impedance voltage source follower, T2 (PNP) is
a grounded base amplifier with a high impedance current output.
There is no phase reversal. The gain is set by varying the FET Vgs,
changing its transconductance.

Arie

OK, (not everything on the web is right. :^)
The 47 pF capacitor does seem to change the coupling.

George H.
 

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