160V DC from UK 240AC mains?

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I just found a bunch of gas discharge displays in my scrap parts bin (see
http://www.datamath.org/Display/SP352.htm for the same type) and
coincidentally need a few 7-segment displays for a project. Using these
would look pretty cool.

UK mains voltage is 325V peak to peak (give or take 15V), half of which
happens to give around 162.5V which would be enough to run these
displays.

Switch-mode power supplies generally seem to feed mains in through a fuse,
isolating transformer, and then into a bridge rectifier and smoothing
caps.

I have a spare one which would be ideal for supplying power to the
ICs which can drive these displays, and I'm wondering if I can also use it
to supply the high voltage DC needed.

a) is there a cunning way of just getting the 155-170V DC that I need? I
was thinking of sticking the PSU's bridge rectifier output through a
potential divider circuit to generate the voltage I need (these displays
are pretty low current). Would a half-wave recifier added in past the
isolating transformer on the PSU and a large smoothing capacitor be a
better bet though? (my worry there is that on a 'low' mains supply of 220V
the 155V DC might not be enough to run the displays)

b) Say I go for the potential divider approach running off the PSU's
existing bridge rectifier. I'd want a common ground between the
rectifier output and the power supply's normal GND output so that I
could use the display driver IC's that I have to drive the displays
directly. There's no continuity between the bridge -ve output in the PSU
and the eventual PSU's GND though, so I can't help feeling that coupling
these directly together is asking for trouble!! :)

Do I need to use a completely seperate isolating transformer, bridge,
smoothing cap, potential divider etc. running off the mains in parallel
with this switchmode, and *then* couple the grounds together?

cheers

Jules
 
Jules <julesrichardsonuk@remove.this.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.05.25.14.49.02.609918@remove.this.yahoo.co.uk>...

I just found a bunch of gas discharge displays in my scrap parts bin (see
http://www.datamath.org/Display/SP352.htm for the same type) and
coincidentally need a few 7-segment displays for a project. Using these
would look pretty cool.

UK mains voltage is 325V peak to peak (give or take 15V), half of which
happens to give around 162.5V which would be enough to run these
displays.
230VAC is around 650 volts peak to peak. 120VAC is 160 volts peak.

-Bill
 
"Jules" <julesrichardsonuk@remove.this.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
message
news:pan.2004.05.25.14.49.02.609918@remove.this.yahoo.co.uk...
I just found a bunch of gas discharge displays in my scrap
parts bin (see
http://www.datamath.org/Display/SP352.htm for the same
type) and
coincidentally need a few 7-segment displays for a
project. Using these
would look pretty cool.

UK mains voltage is 325V peak to peak (give or take 15V),
half of which
happens to give around 162.5V which would be enough to run
these
displays.

Switch-mode power supplies generally seem to feed mains in
through a fuse,
isolating transformer, and then into a bridge rectifier
and smoothing
caps.

I have a spare one which would be ideal for supplying
power to the
ICs which can drive these displays, and I'm wondering if I
can also use it
to supply the high voltage DC needed.

a) is there a cunning way of just getting the 155-170V DC
that I need? I
was thinking of sticking the PSU's bridge rectifier output
through a
potential divider circuit to generate the voltage I need
(these displays
are pretty low current). Would a half-wave recifier added
in past the
isolating transformer on the PSU and a large smoothing
capacitor be a
better bet though? (my worry there is that on a 'low'
mains supply of 220V
the 155V DC might not be enough to run the displays)

b) Say I go for the potential divider approach running
off the PSU's
existing bridge rectifier. I'd want a common ground
between the
rectifier output and the power supply's normal GND output
so that I
could use the display driver IC's that I have to drive
the displays
directly. There's no continuity between the bridge -ve
output in the PSU
and the eventual PSU's GND though, so I can't help feeling
that coupling
these directly together is asking for trouble!! :)

Do I need to use a completely seperate isolating
transformer, bridge,
smoothing cap, potential divider etc. running off the main
s in parallel
with this switchmode, and *then* couple the grounds
together?

cheers

Jules
Jules If you want ot live to a ripe old age I suggest you
try Electronics 101 before you do any more.
A switch mode power supply is not anything like you say and
the rest of your theories are too off to comment beyond
saying.
A little knowledge is Very Dangerous in Mains electrical
practice.
--
John G

Wot's Your Real Problem?
 
"Jules" <julesrichardsonuk@remove.this.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.05.25.14.49.02.609918@remove.this.yahoo.co.uk...

Switch-mode power supplies generally seem to feed mains in through a fuse,
isolating transformer, and then into a bridge rectifier and smoothing
caps.
No that's what conventional power supplies do. Switch mode power supplies do
thigs differently. ...

Mains in
Fuse
Noise filter
Rectifier
High voltage caps to make DC etc
and then lots more.

a) is there a cunning way of just getting the 155-170V DC that I need?
If you need to ask how then you shouldn't really attempt it. Sorry to sound
negative.
 
On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:49:03 +0100, the world was enlightented by Jules,
unto whom the words are attributed:

Do I need to use a completely seperate isolating transformer, bridge,
smoothing cap, potential divider etc. running off the mains in parallel
with this switchmode, and *then* couple the grounds together?

Yes.

Forget messing around with switch mode psu internals - they're precisely
tuned devices and can produce /very/ high voltages internally. Buy a 240
- 110v (ie UK to USA voltage) isolating transformer, and rectify and
smooth the 110v side - this should give you around the voltage you need,
unless I'm very much mistaken. You can connect the grounds together.
Don't kill youself (this is important).

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