12 volt automotive sealed beam lamps in series

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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:22:27 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


klem kedidelhopper wrote:

I have a 24 volt military truck that I use for snow plowing. In the
past I've had trouble finding 6000 series 24 volt sealed beam lamps
for the plow frame.. And when I did I have found them to be very
expensive. So I came up with a circuit using a DPDT switch in which
both the high and low circuit lamp filaments are wired in series when
power is applied. I was very careful to initially select two lamps
that drew exactly the same current when tested on my bench power
supply. The arrangement has worked flawlessly for the past few years.
The other night I had occaision to look at the lights from outside the
truck while it was running. Charging voltage on a 24 volt system can
run as high as 28 volts on a typical 24 volt system. Although I didn't
try to measure the voltage accross each lamp, I noticed that one lamp
is slightly brighter than the other on the low circuit. I'm assuming
that filament is getting weaker and thinner and will likely fail
shortly. And of course when that happens I'll lose the low circuit. I
can rematch two more lamps but before I do the thought occurred to me
if there was any practical easy way the equalise the voltage accross
both lamps in order to compensate for any minute differences in
filament resistance. I think that the total current, (two lamps in
series) is about 5.0 amps. Thanks for any suggestions. Lenny


How about a 24 V to 12 V converter to power the headlamps? National
Semiconductor makes the 'Simple Switcher' series of regulators.

You could also just buy a DC-DC converter.. 24:12 at 200W will run
around $170, in stock at Mouser.

http://www.meanwell.com/search/SD-200/SD-200-spec.pdf

Looks expensive compared to the raw components, perhaps, but I'll bet
most parts for your truck cost more than that.

There's enough adjustment range that you can set it to 13.8VDC or
whatever you think should be nominal. It will also run the lights at
full brightness with the motor off (at the expense of some battery
life, of course).

Probably, but it's 14 years old and I've not spent more than $100 in
repairs in the 3 years I've owned it. :)


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klem kedidelhopper wrote:
On Jan 5, 1:30 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net
wrote:
D Yuniskis wrote:

On 1/5/2011 12:20 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Klem Kedidelhopper was a comediene of 1950's vintage I think.that he
was the brain child of Red Skelton. When my son persuaded me to open
an email account many years ago after I repeatedly told him that I
would never have any use for one I had to pick a screen name.
Never really thinking that this would ever even go anywhere and not
fully taking this whole computer thing seriously at the time anyway, I
chose the name of one of my favorite TV characters. Well these days I
use email a lot, Klem is still on the job, I still think computers are
a royal pain in the ass, and surprisingly most people have no idea as
to who he was. Lenny.

Not *the* Lenny Bruce?? ;-)

He was a 'County Bumpkin' character perfomed by Red Skelton on his TV
variety show. Along with 'The mean widdle Kid', a bum named 'Freddy the
Freeloader' and other characters.

Gertrude and Heathcliff

The silly seagulls..

Wasn't he also on the Jackie Gleason show?

As a guest? Probably.


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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:54:59 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:22:27 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


klem kedidelhopper wrote:

I have a 24 volt military truck that I use for snow plowing. In the
past I've had trouble finding 6000 series 24 volt sealed beam lamps
for the plow frame.. And when I did I have found them to be very
expensive. So I came up with a circuit using a DPDT switch in which
both the high and low circuit lamp filaments are wired in series when
power is applied. I was very careful to initially select two lamps
that drew exactly the same current when tested on my bench power
supply. The arrangement has worked flawlessly for the past few years.
The other night I had occaision to look at the lights from outside the
truck while it was running. Charging voltage on a 24 volt system can
run as high as 28 volts on a typical 24 volt system. Although I didn't
try to measure the voltage accross each lamp, I noticed that one lamp
is slightly brighter than the other on the low circuit. I'm assuming
that filament is getting weaker and thinner and will likely fail
shortly. And of course when that happens I'll lose the low circuit. I
can rematch two more lamps but before I do the thought occurred to me
if there was any practical easy way the equalise the voltage accross
both lamps in order to compensate for any minute differences in
filament resistance. I think that the total current, (two lamps in
series) is about 5.0 amps. Thanks for any suggestions. Lenny


How about a 24 V to 12 V converter to power the headlamps? National
Semiconductor makes the 'Simple Switcher' series of regulators.

You could also just buy a DC-DC converter.. 24:12 at 200W will run
around $170, in stock at Mouser.

http://www.meanwell.com/search/SD-200/SD-200-spec.pdf

Looks expensive compared to the raw components, perhaps, but I'll bet
most parts for your truck cost more than that.

There's enough adjustment range that you can set it to 13.8VDC or
whatever you think should be nominal. It will also run the lights at
full brightness with the motor off (at the expense of some battery
life, of course).


Probably, but it's 14 years old and I've not spent more than $100 in
repairs in the 3 years I've owned it. :)
Okay, then, if $170 is too much, how about $7.56 including shipping?

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.36230

They also have 15A/20A for 14.89/16.42 including shipping.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 22:01:33 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:54:59 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:22:27 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


klem kedidelhopper wrote:

I have a 24 volt military truck that I use for snow plowing. In the
past I've had trouble finding 6000 series 24 volt sealed beam lamps
for the plow frame.. And when I did I have found them to be very
expensive. So I came up with a circuit using a DPDT switch in which
both the high and low circuit lamp filaments are wired in series when
power is applied. I was very careful to initially select two lamps
that drew exactly the same current when tested on my bench power
supply. The arrangement has worked flawlessly for the past few years.
The other night I had occaision to look at the lights from outside the
truck while it was running. Charging voltage on a 24 volt system can
run as high as 28 volts on a typical 24 volt system. Although I didn't
try to measure the voltage accross each lamp, I noticed that one lamp
is slightly brighter than the other on the low circuit. I'm assuming
that filament is getting weaker and thinner and will likely fail
shortly. And of course when that happens I'll lose the low circuit. I
can rematch two more lamps but before I do the thought occurred to me
if there was any practical easy way the equalise the voltage accross
both lamps in order to compensate for any minute differences in
filament resistance. I think that the total current, (two lamps in
series) is about 5.0 amps. Thanks for any suggestions. Lenny


How about a 24 V to 12 V converter to power the headlamps? National
Semiconductor makes the 'Simple Switcher' series of regulators.

You could also just buy a DC-DC converter.. 24:12 at 200W will run
around $170, in stock at Mouser.

http://www.meanwell.com/search/SD-200/SD-200-spec.pdf

Looks expensive compared to the raw components, perhaps, but I'll bet
most parts for your truck cost more than that.

There's enough adjustment range that you can set it to 13.8VDC or
whatever you think should be nominal. It will also run the lights at
full brightness with the motor off (at the expense of some battery
life, of course).


Probably, but it's 14 years old and I've not spent more than $100 in
repairs in the 3 years I've owned it. :)

Okay, then, if $170 is too much, how about $7.56 including shipping?

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.36230

They also have 15A/20A for 14.89/16.42 including shipping.
Or this one for $11.72 shipped which is claimed to be 20A

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/dc-24-input-to-12v-output-power-transformer-converter-inverter.html


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
news:1h7qi61k9dkmftbne44lfbhhv99su6kh9n@4ax.com...

Or this one for $11.72 shipped which is claimed to be 20A

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/dc-24-input-to-12v-output-power-transformer-converter-inverter.html
I'd go for that in a heart beat. you could set it in series with the
fuse feeding the head lights.

I'd get two; one as a spare since you have NO idea of its practical
service life in a road truck and you'd like to have a spare along.

Later, if #1 proves flawless, use #2 for the tail lights and swap them
out too when called for...

Ange
 
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:54:59 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:22:27 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


klem kedidelhopper wrote:

I have a 24 volt military truck that I use for snow plowing. In the
past I've had trouble finding 6000 series 24 volt sealed beam lamps
for the plow frame.. And when I did I have found them to be very
expensive. So I came up with a circuit using a DPDT switch in which
both the high and low circuit lamp filaments are wired in series when
power is applied. I was very careful to initially select two lamps
that drew exactly the same current when tested on my bench power
supply. The arrangement has worked flawlessly for the past few years.
The other night I had occaision to look at the lights from outside the
truck while it was running. Charging voltage on a 24 volt system can
run as high as 28 volts on a typical 24 volt system. Although I didn't
try to measure the voltage accross each lamp, I noticed that one lamp
is slightly brighter than the other on the low circuit. I'm assuming
that filament is getting weaker and thinner and will likely fail
shortly. And of course when that happens I'll lose the low circuit. I
can rematch two more lamps but before I do the thought occurred to me
if there was any practical easy way the equalise the voltage accross
both lamps in order to compensate for any minute differences in
filament resistance. I think that the total current, (two lamps in
series) is about 5.0 amps. Thanks for any suggestions. Lenny


How about a 24 V to 12 V converter to power the headlamps? National
Semiconductor makes the 'Simple Switcher' series of regulators.

You could also just buy a DC-DC converter.. 24:12 at 200W will run
around $170, in stock at Mouser.

http://www.meanwell.com/search/SD-200/SD-200-spec.pdf

Looks expensive compared to the raw components, perhaps, but I'll bet
most parts for your truck cost more than that.

There's enough adjustment range that you can set it to 13.8VDC or
whatever you think should be nominal. It will also run the lights at
full brightness with the motor off (at the expense of some battery
life, of course).


Probably, but it's 14 years old and I've not spent more than $100 in
repairs in the 3 years I've owned it. :)

Okay, then, if $170 is too much, how about $7.56 including shipping?

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.36230

They also have 15A/20A for 14.89/16.42 including shipping.

That would be good for people wanting a car radio on a 24 v golf
cart. :)


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You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.
 

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