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[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-21 18:03, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/04/21 12:17 p.m., Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 14:25, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/21 10:26 a.m., pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
You're kidding, right? Even in that heavily edited clip, he was
clearly just taking a not-too-funny cheap shot at Pat Robertson.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


Some folks have no sense of humour regarding topics they 'believe' in...

John

Could you unpack that for us?

I mean, we have a lot of examples here, especially among the
gloom-and-doom crowd.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


If i have to explain it, I meant that the religious right have no idea
that Mr. Cronkite was joking about being on the right hand of Satin...

They can't understand a joke about their belief system.

Humour is usually directed at things people are uncomfortable with - but
are willing to examine or at least listen to alternatives.

It doesn't work when you only live in a monochrome world. We are good,
everyone else bad. Liberals bad, republicans good (and vice versa).
Blondes are stupid, brunettes are bright...(I'm a blonde, well, at least
I WAS blonde - mostly grey now.)

It people can't laugh at themselves then they are pretty much sheep. Baaah!

John ;-#)#

I'm a thoroughgoing supernaturalist Christian myself--an adult convert.
I don't know anyone who resembles your caricature.

(The modifiers shouldn't be necessary, of course, but there are a lot of
wolves in sheep's clothing these days.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/04/21 12:17 p.m., Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 14:25, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/21 10:26 a.m., pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
You're kidding, right? Even in that heavily edited clip, he was
clearly just taking a not-too-funny cheap shot at Pat Robertson.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


Some folks have no sense of humour regarding topics they 'believe' in...

John

Could you unpack that for us?

I mean, we have a lot of examples here, especially among the
gloom-and-doom crowd.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


If i have to explain it, I meant that the religious right have no idea
that Mr. Cronkite was joking about being on the right hand of Satin...

They can't understand a joke about their belief system.

Humour is usually directed at things people are uncomfortable with - but
are willing to examine or at least listen to alternatives.

It doesn't work when you only live in a monochrome world. We are good,
everyone else bad. Liberals bad, republicans good (and vice versa).
Blondes are stupid, brunettes are bright...(I'm a blonde, well, at least
I WAS blonde - mostly grey now.)

It people can't laugh at themselves then they are pretty much sheep. Baaah!

John ;-#)#

I doubt you have any significant understanding of what the religious right is other than the cartoon characterizations of it on the various media outlets.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-21 18:56, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 22/4/20 8:07 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
I'm a thoroughgoing supernaturalist Christian myself--an adult
convert. I don't know anyone who resembles your caricature.

So was I, for 15 years, and I knew people like that... I just didn't
have any way to recognise that they were like that, because my position
altered my perception.

Do tell. Was this a physical position, an economic position, a social
position, or what?

What evidence changed your mind?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

[George Herold]

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/04/21 12:17 p.m., Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 14:25, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/21 10:26 a.m., pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
You're kidding, right? Even in that heavily edited clip, he was
clearly just taking a not-too-funny cheap shot at Pat Robertson.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


Some folks have no sense of humour regarding topics they 'believe' in...

John

Could you unpack that for us?

I mean, we have a lot of examples here, especially among the
gloom-and-doom crowd.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


If i have to explain it, I meant that the religious right have no idea
that Mr. Cronkite was joking about being on the right hand of Satin...

They can't understand a joke about their belief system.

Humour is usually directed at things people are uncomfortable with - but
are willing to examine or at least listen to alternatives.

It doesn't work when you only live in a monochrome world. We are good,
everyone else bad. Liberals bad, republicans good (and vice versa).
Blondes are stupid, brunettes are bright...(I'm a blonde, well, at least
I WAS blonde - mostly grey now.)

It people can't laugh at themselves then they are pretty much sheep. Baaah!

John ;-#)#

John, I think you are mis reading what Phil wrote and meant.
(I was a little confused too.)
and he's not anything like the rest of the stuff you write.

George H.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 22/4/20 9:15 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-04-21 18:56, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 8:07 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
I'm a thoroughgoing supernaturalist Christian myself--an adult
convert. I don't know anyone who resembles your caricature.

So was I, for 15 years, and I knew people like that... I just didn't
have any way to recognise that they were like that, because my
position altered my perception.

Do tell.  Was this a physical position, an economic position, a social
position, or what?

What evidence changed your mind?

This is not the forum for this discussion. Suffice to say it was my
commitment to a rational epistemology.

CH

 

[George Herold]

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 3:18:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-04-21 14:53, George Herold wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 1:26:35 PM UTC-4, pcdh...@gmail.com wrote:
You're kidding, right? Even in that heavily edited clip, he was clearly just taking a not-too-funny cheap shot at Pat Robertson.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Huh, Walter Cronkite (WC) was just a man.. full of flaws.
I've called Joe Rogan the new WC. That doesn't mean I agree
with all his wacky ideas, only that he's the best voice for the
'common man' that I've found.

George H.

Sure, but the video clip was presenting him as really being a Satanist,
which is retarded.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

Sorry, I think we are just having a mis-understanding.
(my fault.)
George H.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 22/4/20 8:07 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:

I'm a thoroughgoing supernaturalist Christian myself--an adult convert.
I don't know anyone who resembles your caricature.

So was I, for 15 years, and I knew people like that... I just didn't
have any way to recognise that they were like that, because my position
altered my perception.

There is hope for recovery from your dire state, however.

CH

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 22/4/20 10:12 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-04-21 20:09, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 9:48 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 19:42, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 9:15 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 18:56, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 8:07 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
I'm a thoroughgoing supernaturalist Christian myself--an adult
convert. I don't know anyone who resembles your caricature.

So was I, for 15 years, and I knew people like that... I just
didn't have any way to recognise that they were like that, because
my position altered my perception.

Do tell.  Was this a physical position, an economic position, a
social position, or what?

What evidence changed your mind?

This is not the forum for this discussion. Suffice to say it was my
commitment to a rational epistemology.

Oh, you can duck the question if you like.  But you can't claim a
privileged status for your view.  "Rational", forsooth.

Phil, you're a lovely guy. I'd love to discuss this over a beer
sometime. I've even written about it - quite a lot, in fact. I just
don't wish to continue this discussion here.

CH

Sure, if you're prepared to stop calling me nasty names because you got
your nose out of joint.

I didn't call you anything. I described your behaviour, and illustrated
by comparing it to related behaviour.

See, there's the difference again.

BTW, the key point in my response above was "epistemology". Everyone
thinks they're rational (more or less), so it's a nonsense category. But
when you start seriously asking "where do ideas/beliefs come from?", it
opens a whole can of worms.

CH

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 22/4/20 9:48 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-04-21 19:42, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 9:15 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 18:56, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 8:07 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
I'm a thoroughgoing supernaturalist Christian myself--an adult
convert. I don't know anyone who resembles your caricature.

So was I, for 15 years, and I knew people like that... I just didn't
have any way to recognise that they were like that, because my
position altered my perception.

Do tell.  Was this a physical position, an economic position, a
social position, or what?

What evidence changed your mind?

This is not the forum for this discussion. Suffice to say it was my
commitment to a rational epistemology.

Oh, you can duck the question if you like.  But you can't claim a
privileged status for your view.  "Rational", forsooth.

Phil, you're a lovely guy. I'd love to discuss this over a beer
sometime. I've even written about it - quite a lot, in fact. I just
don't wish to continue this discussion here.

CH

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-21 19:42, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 22/4/20 9:15 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 18:56, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 8:07 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
I'm a thoroughgoing supernaturalist Christian myself--an adult
convert. I don't know anyone who resembles your caricature.

So was I, for 15 years, and I knew people like that... I just didn't
have any way to recognise that they were like that, because my
position altered my perception.

Do tell.  Was this a physical position, an economic position, a social
position, or what?

What evidence changed your mind?

This is not the forum for this discussion. Suffice to say it was my
commitment to a rational epistemology.

Oh, you can duck the question if you like. But you can't claim a
privileged status for your view. "Rational", forsooth.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-21 20:09, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 22/4/20 9:48 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 19:42, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 9:15 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 18:56, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 8:07 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
I'm a thoroughgoing supernaturalist Christian myself--an adult
convert. I don't know anyone who resembles your caricature.

So was I, for 15 years, and I knew people like that... I just
didn't have any way to recognise that they were like that, because
my position altered my perception.

Do tell.  Was this a physical position, an economic position, a
social position, or what?

What evidence changed your mind?

This is not the forum for this discussion. Suffice to say it was my
commitment to a rational epistemology.

Oh, you can duck the question if you like.  But you can't claim a
privileged status for your view.  "Rational", forsooth.

Phil, you're a lovely guy. I'd love to discuss this over a beer
sometime. I've even written about it - quite a lot, in fact. I just
don't wish to continue this discussion here.

CH

Sure, if you're prepared to stop calling me nasty names because you got
your nose out of joint.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-21 20:27, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 22/4/20 10:12 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 20:09, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 9:48 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 19:42, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 9:15 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 18:56, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 22/4/20 8:07 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
I'm a thoroughgoing supernaturalist Christian myself--an adult
convert. I don't know anyone who resembles your caricature.

So was I, for 15 years, and I knew people like that... I just
didn't have any way to recognise that they were like that,
because my position altered my perception.

Do tell.  Was this a physical position, an economic position, a
social position, or what?

What evidence changed your mind?

This is not the forum for this discussion. Suffice to say it was my
commitment to a rational epistemology.

Oh, you can duck the question if you like.  But you can't claim a
privileged status for your view.  "Rational", forsooth.

Phil, you're a lovely guy. I'd love to discuss this over a beer
sometime. I've even written about it - quite a lot, in fact. I just
don't wish to continue this discussion here.

CH

Sure, if you're prepared to stop calling me nasty names because you
got your nose out of joint.

I didn't call you anything. I described your behaviour, and illustrated
by comparing it to related behaviour.

"Related" in the sense of containing all the (excrement) you could find
to fling at me. Much like a howler monkey.

So rational, so compassionate, so....well, not.

I might remind you, my alleged sins were to ask 'medusa' if she were
Australian, and then (with a smiley!) to say that "you lot do have a bit
of form here."

I was teasing the saner Aussies here very gently, but (apparently
without self-awareness) you've done nothing but put yourself in the
antipodean loonie camp.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

[John Robertson]

On 2020/04/21 4:17 p.m., George Herold wrote:

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/21 12:17 p.m., Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 14:25, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/21 10:26 a.m., pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
You're kidding, right? Even in that heavily edited clip, he was
clearly just taking a not-too-funny cheap shot at Pat Robertson.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


Some folks have no sense of humour regarding topics they 'believe' in...

John

Could you unpack that for us?

I mean, we have a lot of examples here, especially among the
gloom-and-doom crowd.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


If i have to explain it, I meant that the religious right have no idea
that Mr. Cronkite was joking about being on the right hand of Satin...

They can't understand a joke about their belief system.

Humour is usually directed at things people are uncomfortable with - but
are willing to examine or at least listen to alternatives.

It doesn't work when you only live in a monochrome world. We are good,
everyone else bad. Liberals bad, republicans good (and vice versa).
Blondes are stupid, brunettes are bright...(I'm a blonde, well, at least
I WAS blonde - mostly grey now.)

It people can't laugh at themselves then they are pretty much sheep. Baaah!

John ;-#)#

John, I think you are mis reading what Phil wrote and meant.
(I was a little confused too.)
and he's not anything like the rest of the stuff you write.

George H.

I never said he was! I named no names, it was a generalization based on
my experience with religious fanatics.

I don't consider Phil a religious fanatic, he was just asking me to
clarify what I wrote. As I am not a professional writer, I am only too
happy to receive constructive criticism such as that and wish to make
what I say clearer to folks. They can then agree or disagree with it,
but at least they know pretty much what I meant to say.

I wasn't offended or anything!

And sometimes I don't read things fully and digest them fully before
spouting off. However I suspect I am not alone in doing that ...

John :-#)#

 

[George Herold]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 2:02:19 AM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/04/21 4:17 p.m., George Herold wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/21 12:17 p.m., Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 14:25, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/21 10:26 a.m., pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
You're kidding, right? Even in that heavily edited clip, he was
clearly just taking a not-too-funny cheap shot at Pat Robertson.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


Some folks have no sense of humour regarding topics they 'believe' in...

John

Could you unpack that for us?

I mean, we have a lot of examples here, especially among the
gloom-and-doom crowd.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


If i have to explain it, I meant that the religious right have no idea
that Mr. Cronkite was joking about being on the right hand of Satin...

They can't understand a joke about their belief system.

Humour is usually directed at things people are uncomfortable with - but
are willing to examine or at least listen to alternatives.

It doesn't work when you only live in a monochrome world. We are good,
everyone else bad. Liberals bad, republicans good (and vice versa).
Blondes are stupid, brunettes are bright...(I'm a blonde, well, at least
I WAS blonde - mostly grey now.)

It people can't laugh at themselves then they are pretty much sheep. Baaah!

John ;-#)#

John, I think you are mis reading what Phil wrote and meant.
(I was a little confused too.)
and he's not anything like the rest of the stuff you write.

George H.


I never said he was! I named no names, it was a generalization based on
my experience with religious fanatics.

Hmm OK. I guess I'd just like everyone to treat everyone with
kindness and generosity. You can't listen to a religious fanatic,
if you are painting them all with the same brush.
Now sure a few religious fanatics will be assholes. But some of them
might have something to teach you.

George H.
(who will be leading a chorus of kumbaya later this evening
around the camp fire. :^)

I don't consider Phil a religious fanatic, he was just asking me to
clarify what I wrote. As I am not a professional writer, I am only too
happy to receive constructive criticism such as that and wish to make
what I say clearer to folks. They can then agree or disagree with it,
but at least they know pretty much what I meant to say.

I wasn't offended or anything!

And sometimes I don't read things fully and digest them fully before
spouting off. However I suspect I am not alone in doing that ...

John :-#)#

 

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 2:02:19 AM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/04/21 4:17 p.m., George Herold wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/21 12:17 p.m., Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-21 14:25, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/21 10:26 a.m., pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
You're kidding, right? Even in that heavily edited clip, he was
clearly just taking a not-too-funny cheap shot at Pat Robertson.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


Some folks have no sense of humour regarding topics they 'believe' in...

John

Could you unpack that for us?

I mean, we have a lot of examples here, especially among the
gloom-and-doom crowd.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


If i have to explain it, I meant that the religious right have no idea
that Mr. Cronkite was joking about being on the right hand of Satin...

They can't understand a joke about their belief system.

Humour is usually directed at things people are uncomfortable with - but
are willing to examine or at least listen to alternatives.

It doesn't work when you only live in a monochrome world. We are good,
everyone else bad. Liberals bad, republicans good (and vice versa).
Blondes are stupid, brunettes are bright...(I'm a blonde, well, at least
I WAS blonde - mostly grey now.)

It people can't laugh at themselves then they are pretty much sheep. Baaah!

John ;-#)#

John, I think you are mis reading what Phil wrote and meant.
(I was a little confused too.)
and he's not anything like the rest of the stuff you write.

George H.


I never said he was! I named no names, it was a generalization based on
my experience with religious fanatics.

I don't consider Phil a religious fanatic

Would you please do me the honor of classifying me as a religious fanatic? In my religion I score extra points when a pompous secular pontificator calls me a fanatic.



, he was just asking me to

clarify what I wrote. As I am not a professional writer, I am only too
happy to receive constructive criticism such as that and wish to make
what I say clearer to folks. They can then agree or disagree with it,
but at least they know pretty much what I meant to say.

I wasn't offended or anything!

And sometimes I don't read things fully and digest them fully before
spouting off. However I suspect I am not alone in doing that ...

John :-#)#