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Why Li? The EV1 used to have a range up to 100 miles on lead acidCan Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Bret Cahill
Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Bret Cahill
Not cheaply. Popular Science-type scientists used to claim uranium could beCan Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Bret Cahill
Bret Cahill wrote:
Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Bret Cahill
Why Li? The EV1 used to have a range up to 100 miles on lead acid
batteries and 150 miles on NiCads. So why can't the Volt do better than
40 miles????????? Because it rigged not to work.
He needs it for his meds?
He said 'Millions', not 'Trillions'!Claude Hopper wrote:
Bret Cahill wrote:
Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Bret Cahill
Why Li? The EV1 used to have a range up to 100 miles on lead acid
batteries and 150 miles on NiCads. So why can't the Volt do better than
40 miles????????? Because it rigged not to work.
He needs it for his meds?
So we're stuck with lead acid batteries?Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Not likely,
Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Not likely,
So we're stuck with lead acid batteries?
Bret Cahill
The idiots have always been, and will always be stuck with leadCan Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Not likely,
So we're stuck with lead acid batteries?
Bret Cahill
You've utterly missed the point of the Volt (and the Opel Flextreme andBret Cahill wrote:
Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Why Li? The EV1 used to have a range up to 100 miles on lead acid
batteries and 150 miles on NiCads. So why can't the Volt do better than
40 miles????????? Because it rigged not to work.
Easier to dig the ore out of the ground FFS.Bret Cahill wrote:
Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Not cheaply. Popular Science-type scientists used to claim uranium could be
extracted from seawater, too.
It seems we're stuck with you and your MORONIC dead-end loser ideas.Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Not likely,
So we're stuck with lead acid batteries?
Have you seen the temperatures those sodium-sulphur batteries operate at ?Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Not likely,
So we're stuck with lead acid batteries?
You can wait for the NiMH patents to expire... or hey, invent your own
batteries. Magnesium ion, maybe? Plenty of magnesium in seawater.
Even better yet... sodium ion!
short. If the Tesla can go 250 miles and the EV1 could go 100 on leadClaude Hopper wrote:
Bret Cahill wrote:
Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Why Li? The EV1 used to have a range up to 100 miles on lead acid
batteries and 150 miles on NiCads. So why can't the Volt do better than
40 miles????????? Because it rigged not to work.
You've utterly missed the point of the Volt (and the Opel Flextreme and
hybrids in general). 40 miles is a sensible commuting distance. It doesn't
NEED to do more on battery power, so why make it more expensive (higher
battery replacement costs) and heavy (batteries are very heavy for their
energy density) for range you only use on long journeys when the ICE can
take over ?
The EV1 only sat TWO PEOPLE btw. Not exactly a practical car. It was also
economically totally unviable. The Volt is a compact but full-size car in
comparison. We don't know the cost yet but it WILL be lower in real terms
than the EV1.
"The Gen 1 cars got 55 to 75 miles (90 to 120 km) per charge with the
Delco-manufactured lead-acid batteries" btw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ev1
Graham
No it's not. I used to commute 50 miles one way. That leaves me a little
short. If the Tesla can go 250 miles and the EV1 could go 100 on leadClaude Hopper wrote:
Bret Cahill wrote:
Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Why Li? The EV1 used to have a range up to 100 miles on lead acid
batteries and 150 miles on NiCads. So why can't the Volt do better than
40 miles????????? Because it rigged not to work.
You've utterly missed the point of the Volt (and the Opel Flextreme and
hybrids in general). 40 miles is a sensible commuting distance. It doesn't
NEED to do more on battery power, so why make it more expensive (higher
battery replacement costs) and heavy (batteries are very heavy for their
energy density) for range you only use on long journeys when the ICE can
take over ?
The EV1 only sat TWO PEOPLE btw. Not exactly a practical car. It was also
economically totally unviable. The Volt is a compact but full-size car in
comparison. We don't know the cost yet but it WILL be lower in real terms
than the EV1.
"The Gen 1 cars got 55 to 75 miles (90 to 120 km) per charge with the
Delco-manufactured lead-acid batteries" btw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ev1
Graham
No it's not. I used to commute 50 miles one way. That leaves me a little
No it doesn't. The ICE kicks in for last 10 miles. That's the *whole point* !Eeyore wrote:
Claude Hopper wrote:
Bret Cahill wrote:
Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Why Li? The EV1 used to have a range up to 100 miles on lead acid
batteries and 150 miles on NiCads. So why can't the Volt do better than
40 miles????????? Because it rigged not to work.
You've utterly missed the point of the Volt (and the Opel Flextreme and
hybrids in general). 40 miles is a sensible commuting distance. It doesn't
NEED to do more on battery power, so why make it more expensive (higher
battery replacement costs) and heavy (batteries are very heavy for their
energy density) for range you only use on long journeys when the ICE can
take over ?
The EV1 only sat TWO PEOPLE btw. Not exactly a practical car. It was also
economically totally unviable. The Volt is a compact but full-size car in
comparison. We don't know the cost yet but it WILL be lower in real terms
than the EV1.
"The Gen 1 cars got 55 to 75 miles (90 to 120 km) per charge with the
Delco-manufactured lead-acid batteries" btw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ev1
No it's not. I used to commute 50 miles one way. That leaves me a little
short.
Quite possibly, although I'm doubtful about the battery costs. But it's still aYou also know that GM COULD copy
Tesla's hand made car at 98K and mass produce them for 40K.
Keep in mind that Graham is in England, a tiny little place. Forty miles isEeyore wrote:
Claude Hopper wrote:
Bret Cahill wrote:
Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Why Li? The EV1 used to have a range up to 100 miles on lead acid
batteries and 150 miles on NiCads. So why can't the Volt do better than
40 miles????????? Because it rigged not to work.
You've utterly missed the point of the Volt (and the Opel Flextreme and
hybrids in general). 40 miles is a sensible commuting distance. It
doesn't
NEED to do more on battery power, so why make it more expensive (higher
battery replacement costs) and heavy (batteries are very heavy for their
energy density) for range you only use on long journeys when the ICE can
take over ?
The EV1 only sat TWO PEOPLE btw. Not exactly a practical car. It was
also
economically totally unviable. The Volt is a compact but full-size car
in
comparison. We don't know the cost yet but it WILL be lower in real
terms
than the EV1.
"The Gen 1 cars got 55 to 75 miles (90 to 120 km) per charge with the
Delco-manufactured lead-acid batteries" btw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ev1
Graham
No it's not. I used to commute 50 miles one way. That leaves me a little
short. If the Tesla can go 250 miles and the EV1 could go 100 on lead
acid, like I said, what's wrong with GM? You know they are
anti-electric. People who had EV1's loves them so they got taken away
and crushed. Had they gone into production they would have improved
substantially.
The Volt will be prices at 40K+. You also know that GM COULD copy
Tesla's hand made car at 98K and mass produce them for 40K. I think
Exxon/Mobil's dick is too far up GM's butt.
Keep in mind that Graham is in England, a tiny little place. Forty miles is
half way across their country! His perspective is different than ours where
one county can be 20,000 sq miles.