10 technologies that refuse to die

Jim Thompson · Feb 20, 2004

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 19:30:08 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com>
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:40:43 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com
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[snip]
We'll test it in Europe ;-)

Well can you arrange to do it next week please, I fly to Boston in the
morning, back next Saturday, much appreciated.

Boston? Poor bastard. What a piss hole of a city.

I have to agree, the worst thing about it is that as soon as you hire your
car you are really thrown in at the deep end and it's frantic until you get
out the other end of the Sumner tunnel where they extract money off you for
the privalege of being stressed.

Don't you know about Boston cabs? Sit in the middle of the back seat
and hold on to both door armrests ;-)

Or did you mean a rental car? Having spent four years driving in
Boston plus forty-plus years of Arizona high-speed driving, it's me
that plays the bluff game... there's nothing more fun than
intimidating a Boston driver.

I just aim my car at them, floor it and watch 'em scramble ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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Mark J. · Feb 20, 2004

In news:qppc30lo186o41hueu8tq37dl7hkhir8rf@4ax.com (Jim Thompson):

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 19:30:08 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:40:43 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
We'll test it in Europe ;-)

Well can you arrange to do it next week please, I fly to Boston in
the morning, back next Saturday, much appreciated.

Boston? Poor bastard. What a piss hole of a city.

I have to agree, the worst thing about it is that as soon as you hire
your car you are really thrown in at the deep end and it's frantic
until you get out the other end of the Sumner tunnel where they
extract money off you for the privalege of being stressed.

Don't you know about Boston cabs? Sit in the middle of the back seat
and hold on to both door armrests ;-)

Or did you mean a rental car? Having spent four years driving in
Boston plus forty-plus years of Arizona high-speed driving, it's me
that plays the bluff game... there's nothing more fun than
intimidating a Boston driver.

I just aim my car at them, floor it and watch 'em scramble ;-)

...Jim Thompson

And here we thought you were the sweet, innocent, endearing gentleman-type.
Boy were we ever wrong! Looks like I'll have to make two Marx generators
now. One with a parabolic antenna for destroying cars filled with
sub-woofers, and one with a parabolic antenna for disabling cars filled
homicidal drivers.

Jim Thompson · Feb 20, 2004

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:34:31 -0500, "Mark J." <127.0.0.1> wrote:

In news:qppc30lo186o41hueu8tq37dl7hkhir8rf@4ax.com (Jim Thompson):
[snip]
Or did you mean a rental car? Having spent four years driving in
Boston plus forty-plus years of Arizona high-speed driving, it's me
that plays the bluff game... there's nothing more fun than
intimidating a Boston driver.

I just aim my car at them, floor it and watch 'em scramble ;-)

...Jim Thompson

And here we thought you were the sweet, innocent, endearing gentleman-type.
Boy were we ever wrong! Looks like I'll have to make two Marx generators
now. One with a parabolic antenna for destroying cars filled with
sub-woofers, and one with a parabolic antenna for disabling cars filled
homicidal drivers.

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Tom MacIntyre · Feb 20, 2004

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:45:30 -0800, DarkMatter
<DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 05:27:09 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
Gave us:

Nothing wrong with tubes, except thinking they are linear/sound good!
As an easily fabricated medieval switching device they're fine.

They work well on live Bass guitar rigs.

Not much else.

Regular electric guitar also, for some sound qualities.

Tom

Oh... they work well in transmitters. We are doing a 25kW RF
project soon.

R. Steve Walz · Feb 20, 2004

DarkMatter wrote:

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 04:47:32 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
Gave us:

Funny how they're ALWAYS "in development" and have BEEN so for more
than 30 YEARS!

We were recently contacted by a contractor for a unit similar to cap
chargers we make.

They are not even allowed to give us details. This project is
actually showing promise. Not a true EMP, it is more like a directed
mw beam or such.

You can bet they are serious about it. Being able to electronically
disable an enemy does far more than cripple them from movement. It
cripples their ability to call in for help as well.

An army with such devices could easily cut off groups of enemies
from their support lines. This is a good thing.
----------------------------

The f/stop considerations and the inverse square law make this VERY
difficult.

-Steve
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R. Steve Walz · Feb 21, 2004

DarkMatter wrote:

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 04:47:32 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
Gave us:

Sort of like other Tesla-fanatic inventions. The simple
fact is that you can focus a shitload of RF at something with a dish,
but it falls off faster than 1/r^2 because it's subject to HUGE f-stop
aperture considerations unless the dish is enormous, requires a LOT
MORE energy than merely blowing the hell out of it with a shell or
missile, or even a huge blast-in-range, and can be deflected with 30
cents worth of Aluminum foil or Aluminum paint inside cheap plastic.

They made far more progress punching dents into missile shells with
eximer lasers from great distances. Pretty wild shit, but not
portable at all.
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Lasers, not EMP.

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DarkMatter · Feb 21, 2004

On 20 Feb 2004 10:03:26 -0800, jeffm_@email.com (JeffM) Gave us:

there are EMP weapon projects currently in development.
DarkMatter

[energy density] falls off faster than 1/r^2
because it's subject to HUGE f-stop aperture considerations
unless the dish is enormous.
R. Steve Walz

but will scientific facts keep Dubya from trying to build a Death Star?

really BIG EMP weapons
are merely explosives which are better used ballistically.

The Neutron Bomb seemed like such a great nerdy notion:
kill the people and the communications gear; leave the buildings intact.

The EMP pulse of a neutron device isn't that great. Not nearly as
much as a standard nuke. No proofs that it would be enough to damage
anything either.

The device I refer to will be causing electrical activity, instead
of making it cease.

Approaching bombs simply won't reach their destination. They blowed
up *real* good.

DarkMatter · Feb 21, 2004

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:59:43 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
Gave us:

The f/stop considerations and the inverse square law make this VERY
difficult.

They are doing it. They want units YESTERDAY.

This is not an electrical device killer, it is a stimulator.

The stimulus can cause failure modes.

Car bombs, for instance, go off before they reach their target
areas. Now do you see any viable applications?

I can picture a tube made of concrete that perspective entrants into
Israel must pass through individually. In the tunnel, bomb sniffers
and such may or may not catch a perp. If it does, two slabs of
concrete seal the chamber, and Johnny gets to play with his pulser.
The idiot in the tube has a very non-influential day.

DarkMatter · Feb 21, 2004

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:00:21 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
Gave us:

Lasers, not EMP.

I know. That is exactly what I wrote.

Mark J. · Feb 21, 2004

In news:bbsc30laub9r1avoqc9m9onrp3q57f4s7c@4ax.com (Jim Thompson):

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:34:31 -0500, "Mark J." <127.0.0.1> wrote:

In news:qppc30lo186o41hueu8tq37dl7hkhir8rf@4ax.com (Jim Thompson):
[snip]
Or did you mean a rental car? Having spent four years driving in
Boston plus forty-plus years of Arizona high-speed driving, it's me
that plays the bluff game... there's nothing more fun than
intimidating a Boston driver.

I just aim my car at them, floor it and watch 'em scramble ;-)

...Jim Thompson

And here we thought you were the sweet, innocent, endearing
gentleman-type. Boy were we ever wrong! Looks like I'll have to make
two Marx generators now. One with a parabolic antenna for destroying
cars filled with sub-woofers, and one with a parabolic antenna for
disabling cars filled with homicidal drivers.

Where did you dream up "sweet, innocent, endearing gentleman-type"?
I've been a prankster all my life.

...Jim Thompson

I guess I assumed that a man of your age and achievement, nestled in
Arizona because problems with the cold, might mellow out some over the
years. But is that incorrect? Once a Brass Rat, always a Brass Rat?

Jeff · Feb 21, 2004

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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 19:30:08 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:40:43 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:a7jc305ls5rophvlna2eqov3u7nfqef22t@4ax.com...
[snip]
We'll test it in Europe ;-)

Well can you arrange to do it next week please, I fly to Boston in the
morning, back next Saturday, much appreciated.

Boston? Poor bastard. What a piss hole of a city.

I have to agree, the worst thing about it is that as soon as you hire
your
car you are really thrown in at the deep end and it's frantic until you
get
out the other end of the Sumner tunnel where they extract money off you
for
the privalege of being stressed.

Don't you know about Boston cabs? Sit in the middle of the back seat
and hold on to both door armrests ;-)

Or did you mean a rental car? Having spent four years driving in
Boston plus forty-plus years of Arizona high-speed driving, it's me
that plays the bluff game... there's nothing more fun than
intimidating a Boston driver.

I just aim my car at them, floor it and watch 'em scramble ;-)

They tend to scramble too (at least in other areas then Boston) when you
point the car at them, bring the engine speed to around 6500 RPM, and
sporadically release the clutch while in 2nd gear..... Especially effective
when you fish tail the car down the street.

DarkMatter · Feb 21, 2004

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:48:05 GMT, "Jeff" <levy_jeff@hotmail.com> Gave
us:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 19:30:08 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:n8lc30pjuklenvjspplemvhbjt9acnfh0o@4ax.com...
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:40:43 -0000, "Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:a7jc305ls5rophvlna2eqov3u7nfqef22t@4ax.com...
[snip]
We'll test it in Europe ;-)

Well can you arrange to do it next week please, I fly to Boston in the
morning, back next Saturday, much appreciated.

Boston? Poor bastard. What a piss hole of a city.

I have to agree, the worst thing about it is that as soon as you hire
your
car you are really thrown in at the deep end and it's frantic until you
get
out the other end of the Sumner tunnel where they extract money off you
for
the privalege of being stressed.

Don't you know about Boston cabs? Sit in the middle of the back seat
and hold on to both door armrests ;-)

Or did you mean a rental car? Having spent four years driving in
Boston plus forty-plus years of Arizona high-speed driving, it's me
that plays the bluff game... there's nothing more fun than
intimidating a Boston driver.

I just aim my car at them, floor it and watch 'em scramble ;-)

They tend to scramble too (at least in other areas then Boston) when you
point the car at them, bring the engine speed to around 6500 RPM, and
sporadically release the clutch while in 2nd gear..... Especially effective
when you fish tail the car down the street.

6500 rpm eh? I hope at some point your engine decides to

sporadically exploded when you step load it like that.

Doh!

Back in the days of real race cars activities like this resulted in
taffy twisted U-joints, until the big mopar units get installed.
Still nobody in their right mind spools up that far to dump a clutch.

It must be a shit box too, cause real motors don't get up in those
rpm ranges without some special valve train gear. If it is a shitbox,
I hope the whole fucking car explodes.

A rat motor has "mountains of torque" as the old racers used to say.
One could barely crack the throttle and light up the tires with ease.

One could be going down the street at 40 and not even feather the
clutch, just merely tromp the gas, and the car still lights 'em up as
if it were standing still.

The shitboxes out there today barely compare, and the mentality of
the drivers is such that every motherfucker in this country with a
modified car that operates it on the public roadways should have to
pay an extra $100 registration surcharge every year to cover for the
stupidity that typifies this "class" of driver.

Same thing for big trucks that are modified from stock, and those
little shitbox, gang banger trash cars that are "lowered" that is
some of the ugliest shit to ever hit the planet. The mexican twit
that thought tires outside the wheel wells of the car body "looks
good" should be shot, along with any white fuck that thinks so as
well. They are fucking retarded, and their modified trash mobiles
tear up the road surfaces and are very unsafe suspension wise.

Robert Casey · Feb 22, 2004

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The silly thing is that even if some of this stuff DID do wonders for
the purity of sound, from a technical aspect, we won't know it till
we design ourselves some new bodies and brains with a decent set of
ears, so that we can hear worth a damn!!

Forget ears, I want an optical digital jack on the side of my head, so I

can "hear" the
digitized audio directly.... ;-)

Tim Williams · Feb 22, 2004

"Robert Casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Forget ears, I want an optical digital jack on the side of my head, so I
can "hear" the
digitized audio directly.... ;-)

"Bender, are you jacking on again!?"

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Bill Garber · Feb 22, 2004

"Robert Casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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: >
: >-----------
: >The silly thing is that even if some of this stuff DID do
wonders for
: >the purity of sound, from a technical aspect, we won't know it
till
: >we design ourselves some new bodies and brains with a decent
set of
: >ears, so that we can hear worth a damn!!
: >
: Forget ears, I want an optical digital jack on the
: side of my head, so I can "hear" the digitized audio
: directly.... ;-)

Might as well. I believe we are already wired in
just like in that movie, you know, "The Matrix".

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R. Steve Walz · Feb 22, 2004

DarkMatter wrote:

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:59:43 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
Gave us:

The f/stop considerations and the inverse square law make this VERY
difficult.

They are doing it. They want units YESTERDAY.
---------------------

They want means they can't get. I and most physicists know why.

This is not an electrical device killer, it is a stimulator.
-----------------------

My wife has a bunch of those.

The stimulus can cause failure modes.
-------------------------

Never did to her.

Car bombs, for instance, go off before they reach their target
areas. Now do you see any viable applications?
---------------------------

You mean like a cheap-turkey walkie-talkie sets off RF blasting caps.
BFD.

I can picture a tube made of concrete that perspective entrants into
Israel must pass through individually. In the tunnel, bomb sniffers
and such may or may not catch a perp. If it does, two slabs of
concrete seal the chamber, and Johnny gets to play with his pulser.
The idiot in the tube has a very non-influential day.
-------------------------------

Nice, but NOT EMP.

Now how did you get so far afield of the thread just to desperately
avoid looking like an ass.

-Steve
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R. Steve Walz · Feb 22, 2004

DarkMatter wrote:

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:00:21 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
Gave us:

Lasers, not EMP.

I know. That is exactly what I wrote.
----------------

Yes, another vain effort to escape your first assertion about EMP.

-Steve
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DarkMatter · Feb 22, 2004

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:05:12 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
Gave us:

They want means they can't get. I and most physicists know why.

No. That means that they succeeded in making it, and now they want

us to make several thousand power supplies for their product.

Yes. It IS real. Already. They want them deployed yesterday.
There... does that sound better?

You make assumptions based on my colloquialism. Bad move. This
thing is real. Already.

As for the second sentence. That has been said about many things.
Like flying... 1903 , and light punching holes in metals... laser,
1960.

Or glass being used to control voltages... The transistor in 1948.

You must be out of the loop.

DarkMatter · Feb 22, 2004

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:05:12 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
Gave us:

This is not an electrical device killer, it is a stimulator.
-----------------------
My wife has a bunch of those.

Now, I know that you are out of the loop.

The stimulus can cause failure modes.
-------------------------
Never did to her.

That is because you are a lame sextool.

Mine are constantly telling me after the second straight hour...
"don't... stop.... don't... stop..."

Might be a failure mode. But then I was talking about hardware, not
fleshware.

Car bombs, for instance, go off before they reach their target
areas. Now do you see any viable applications?
---------------------------
You mean like a cheap-turkey walkie-talkie sets off RF blasting caps.

No. That is old school as are you if that how far behind you are.

BFD.

Yeah... go back inside, and lay down, ya old dog. Get yer master
to clean up that load.

I can picture a tube made of concrete that perspective entrants into
Israel must pass through individually. In the tunnel, bomb sniffers
and such may or may not catch a perp. If it does, two slabs of
concrete seal the chamber, and Johnny gets to play with his pulser.
The idiot in the tube has a very non-influential day.
-------------------------------
Nice, but NOT EMP.

A small pinch would work vary nicely inside such a setup.

Now how did you get so far afield of the thread just to desperately
avoid looking like an ass.

What? Fuck right the fuck off, jackass.

DarkMatter · Feb 22, 2004

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:06:00 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
Gave us:

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Yes, another vain effort to escape your first assertion about EMP.

What? I was making no such effort to do any such thing, jackass.

I am contracted right fucking now to build the fucking supplies for
their EXISTING design, so you can fuck off and die, you presumptuous
twit.

And it ain't a fucking walkie talkie either, dipshit. It is a 2kW
pulser.

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