10 technologies that refuse to die

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4147164/ and skip down to
the reel-to-reel tape part.



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[R. Steve Walz]

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4147164/ and skip down to
the reel-to-reel tape part.
--------------

Pure ignorance, the cassette long ago exceeded the rez of bigger tape
transports, and digital recording is only eschewed by the moronically
ignorant gold audio cable crowd, and the tubists who really like bad
sound because they want to be "hep"(sic: "hip"), and fuddy-duddies who
are resistant to change and would like to fancy their old junk as still
valuable long after it isn't, or just long enough to sell it to some
rich trendy young DINK who can't know any better.

The only niches any of these touted legacy products continue in are
the hold-outs, who when they die will take them with them. There are
always a bunch of these fossils remaining right after a lot of change,
people who won't learn, who don't change till they die.

The notion that this is some "trend" is insipidly irrelevant.

-Steve
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[Clint Sharp]

In message <40317079.45CF@armory.com>, R. Steve Walz
<rstevew@armory.com> writes

Pure ignorance, the cassette long ago exceeded the rez of bigger tape
transports, and digital recording is only eschewed by the moronically
ignorant gold audio cable crowd, and the tubists who really like bad
sound because they want to be "hep"(sic: "hip"), and fuddy-duddies who
are resistant to change and would like to fancy their old junk as still
valuable long after it isn't, or just long enough to sell it to some
rich trendy young DINK who can't know any better.
Bugger. I really thought I had a grip on life, my opinions were

reasonable, my outlook was OK, then R. Steve Walz comes along and posts
something I completely agree with. Really screws with your mind does
that! <G>

-Steve

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[Martin Riddle]

LOL, I guess Im not hip because I dont have the next generation AV stuff that doesnt exist yet.

"Clint Sharp" <clint@clintsmc.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:6ra8q3F2NcMAFw$w@clintsmc.demon.co.uk...

In message <40317079.45CF@armory.com>, R. Steve Walz
rstevew@armory.com> writes
Pure ignorance, the cassette long ago exceeded the rez of bigger tape
transports, and digital recording is only eschewed by the moronically
ignorant gold audio cable crowd, and the tubists who really like bad
sound because they want to be "hep"(sic: "hip"), and fuddy-duddies who
are resistant to change and would like to fancy their old junk as still
valuable long after it isn't, or just long enough to sell it to some
rich trendy young DINK who can't know any better.
Bugger. I really thought I had a grip on life, my opinions were
reasonable, my outlook was OK, then R. Steve Walz comes along and posts
something I completely agree with. Really screws with your mind does
that! <G
-Steve

--
Clint Sharp

 

[Tim Williams]

"Martin Riddle" <martinriddle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VQrYb.7480$tL3.7429@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...

LOL, I guess Im not hip because I dont have the next generation AV stuff
that doesnt exist yet.

The strangest part is, I mess around with tubes, yet I'm no hard-core
audiophool nor an old fossil!

Tim

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[John Larkin]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:15:25 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4147164/ and skip down to
the reel-to-reel tape part.

All I see on MSN.COM is soothing blank white pages. They must know
that I'm using Netscape. No big loss.

John

 

[Stephen J. Rush]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:27:35 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:15:25 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4147164/ and skip down to
the reel-to-reel tape part.

All I see on MSN.COM is soothing blank white pages. They must know
that I'm using Netscape. No big loss.

Try Opera (works for me), or maybe Mozilla. Of course, I have to tell
Opera to lie and announce itself as M$IE.

 

[Stephen J. Rush]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:27:03 -0600, "Tim Williams"
<tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

"Martin Riddle" <martinriddle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VQrYb.7480$tL3.7429@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
LOL, I guess Im not hip because I dont have the next generation AV stuff
that doesnt exist yet.

The strangest part is, I mess around with tubes, yet I'm no hard-core
audiophool nor an old fossil!

I got a good laugh the last time I picked up a copy of "Stereo Review"
and read an argument in the LTTE over _speaker cables._ Half a dozen
pretentious twits claimed that they could hear the difference between
oxygen-free high-conductivity copper and silver-plated OFHC, or
twisted-pair and coax cable, or plain stranded and litz cable, ad
nauseum.

 

[John Stewart]

"R. Steve Walz" wrote:

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4147164/ and skip down to
the reel-to-reel tape part.
--------------
Pure ignorance, the cassette long ago exceeded the rez of bigger tape
transports, and digital recording is only eschewed by the moronically
ignorant gold audio cable crowd, and the tubists who really like bad
sound because they want to be "hep"(sic: "hip"), and fuddy-duddies who
are resistant to change and would like to fancy their old junk as still
valuable long after it isn't, or just long enough to sell it to some
rich trendy young DINK who can't know any better.

The only niches any of these touted legacy products continue in are
the hold-outs, who when they die will take them with them. There are
always a bunch of these fossils remaining right after a lot of change,
people who won't learn, who don't change till they die.

The notion that this is some "trend" is insipidly irrelevant.

-Steve
--
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All you say is probably true. I will relieve anyone that is willing
of their '56 Corvette. No problem. Thanx, John Stewart

I will take the '32 Cadi V-16 Roadster too. JLS

 

[Tim Auton]

Stephen J. Rush <steverush@cox.net> wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:27:03 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:
"Martin Riddle" <martinriddle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VQrYb.7480$tL3.7429@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
LOL, I guess Im not hip because I dont have the next generation AV stuff
that doesnt exist yet.

The strangest part is, I mess around with tubes, yet I'm no hard-core
audiophool nor an old fossil!

I got a good laugh the last time I picked up a copy of "Stereo Review"
and read an argument in the LTTE over _speaker cables._ Half a dozen
pretentious twits claimed that they could hear the difference between
oxygen-free high-conductivity copper and silver-plated OFHC, or
twisted-pair and coax cable, or plain stranded and litz cable, ad
nauseum.

In a randomised double-blind trial?


Tim
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[JeffM]

All I see on MSN.COM is soothing blank white pages.
They must know that I'm using Netscape. No big loss.
John Larkin

I use Mozilla and it renders for me.
Does the Google cash do any better?
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:e8DLAmbjiNIJ:g.msn.com/0US!s6.13736_3390/35.b1514/6%3F%3Fcm%3DCenterText+%22Yes,+Virginia,+people+still+use+typewriters%22+%22By+Eric+Scigliano%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8

 

[JeffM]

The strangest part is, I mess around with tubes,
yet I'm no hard-core audiophool nor an old fossil!
Tim Williams

In my early days I traveled the back roads of North Carolina
fixing electronic organs.
The tallest thing in the landscape was usually the spire of my destination.
When those summer storms blew in, it was just amazing
how many calls we got for the newer stuff compared to the old toob stuff.

 

[Stephen J. Rush]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:24:40 +0000, Tim Auton
<tim.auton@uton.[groupSexWithoutTheY]> wrote:

Stephen J. Rush <steverush@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:27:03 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:
"Martin Riddle" <martinriddle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VQrYb.7480$tL3.7429@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
LOL, I guess Im not hip because I dont have the next generation AV stuff
that doesnt exist yet.

The strangest part is, I mess around with tubes, yet I'm no hard-core
audiophool nor an old fossil!

I got a good laugh the last time I picked up a copy of "Stereo Review"
and read an argument in the LTTE over _speaker cables._ Half a dozen
pretentious twits claimed that they could hear the difference between
oxygen-free high-conductivity copper and silver-plated OFHC, or
twisted-pair and coax cable, or plain stranded and litz cable, ad
nauseum.

In a randomised double-blind trial?

Of course not. The few real tests of speaker cables have shown that
what matters is the resistance between the amplifier output and the
voice coil. It's not so much a matter of power dissipation as
damping; the amp output sould, ideally, be a perfect short as seen by
the speaker, so as to better control cone motion. That translates to
copper, the more the better. For snob appeal, I suppose you could use
pure silver wire instead of just using thicker copper.

BTW, the big runup in amplifier power ratings after the introduction
of transistors was due to a feedback between speaker and amplifier
design. Cheap audio power allowed speaker designers to pay less
attention to efficiency, so the next generation of speakers required a
new round of bigger amps. Fortunately, the law of diminishing returns
kicked in before we had to start ordering three-phase power service
for our audio systems (and for the extra air conditioning to get rid
of all that heat).

 

[John Stewart]

"Stephen J. Rush" wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:24:40 +0000, Tim Auton
tim.auton@uton.[groupSexWithoutTheY]> wrote:

Stephen J. Rush <steverush@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:27:03 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:
"Martin Riddle" <martinriddle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VQrYb.7480$tL3.7429@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
LOL, I guess Im not hip because I dont have the next generation AV stuff
that doesnt exist yet.

The strangest part is, I mess around with tubes, yet I'm no hard-core
audiophool nor an old fossil!

I got a good laugh the last time I picked up a copy of "Stereo Review"
and read an argument in the LTTE over _speaker cables._ Half a dozen
pretentious twits claimed that they could hear the difference between
oxygen-free high-conductivity copper and silver-plated OFHC, or
twisted-pair and coax cable, or plain stranded and litz cable, ad
nauseum.

In a randomised double-blind trial?

Of course not. The few real tests of speaker cables have shown that
what matters is the resistance between the amplifier output and the
voice coil.

You better include the speaker itself which shows up in any model of
the series circuit you would like to offer. That means the speaker R is
part of the circuit that will bring the damping back down to earth,
no matter what amp or DF you have.

Something to think about. JLS

It's not so much a matter of power dissipation as
damping; the amp output sould, ideally, be a perfect short as seen by
the speaker, so as to better control cone motion. That translates to
copper, the more the better. For snob appeal, I suppose you could use
pure silver wire instead of just using thicker copper.

BTW, the big runup in amplifier power ratings after the introduction
of transistors was due to a feedback between speaker and amplifier
design. Cheap audio power allowed speaker designers to pay less
attention to efficiency, so the next generation of speakers required a
new round of bigger amps. Fortunately, the law of diminishing returns
kicked in before we had to start ordering three-phase power service
for our audio systems (and for the extra air conditioning to get rid
of all that heat).

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Clint Sharp wrote:

In message <40317079.45CF@armory.com>, R. Steve Walz
rstevew@armory.com> writes
Pure ignorance, the cassette long ago exceeded the rez of bigger tape
transports, and digital recording is only eschewed by the moronically
ignorant gold audio cable crowd, and the tubists who really like bad
sound because they want to be "hep"(sic: "hip"), and fuddy-duddies who
are resistant to change and would like to fancy their old junk as still
valuable long after it isn't, or just long enough to sell it to some
rich trendy young DINK who can't know any better.

Bugger. I really thought I had a grip on life, my opinions were
reasonable, my outlook was OK, then R. Steve Walz comes along and posts
something I completely agree with. Really screws with your mind does
that! <G
-Steve

--
Clint Sharp
-----------

Hahahahahah. You poor kid!

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Tim Williams wrote:

"Martin Riddle" <martinriddle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VQrYb.7480$tL3.7429@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
LOL, I guess Im not hip because I dont have the next generation AV stuff
that doesnt exist yet.

The strangest part is, I mess around with tubes, yet I'm no hard-core
audiophool nor an old fossil!

Tim
-----------------

Nothing wrong with tubes, except thinking they are linear/sound good!
As an easily fabricated medieval switching device they're fine.

-Steve
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http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Stephen J. Rush wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:27:03 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

"Martin Riddle" <martinriddle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VQrYb.7480$tL3.7429@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
LOL, I guess Im not hip because I dont have the next generation AV stuff
that doesnt exist yet.

The strangest part is, I mess around with tubes, yet I'm no hard-core
audiophool nor an old fossil!

I got a good laugh the last time I picked up a copy of "Stereo Review"
and read an argument in the LTTE over _speaker cables._ Half a dozen
pretentious twits claimed that they could hear the difference between
oxygen-free high-conductivity copper and silver-plated OFHC, or
twisted-pair and coax cable, or plain stranded and litz cable, ad
nauseum.
-----------

The silly thing is that even if some of this stuff DID do wonders for
the purity of sound, from a technical aspect, we won't know it till
we design ourselves some new bodies and brains with a decent set of
ears, so that we can hear worth a damn!!

Even now, our technology is pouring pearls out before our swine-like
pitifully evolved senses.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

JeffM wrote:

The strangest part is, I mess around with tubes,
yet I'm no hard-core audiophool nor an old fossil!
Tim Williams

In my early days I traveled the back roads of North Carolina
fixing electronic organs.
The tallest thing in the landscape was usually the spire of my destination.
When those summer storms blew in, it was just amazing
how many calls we got for the newer stuff compared to the old toob stuff.
----------------

Because the new stuff was 50 years younger and less perfected yet.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:15:25 -0800, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4147164/ and skip down to
the reel-to-reel tape part.

All I see on MSN.COM is soothing blank white pages. They must know
that I'm using Netscape. No big loss.

John
------------

That's recent html command baloney, I use old Netscape 3.04G and 4.72,
and I find that these avoid a lot of trouble and are much faster!!

-Steve
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[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Stephen J. Rush
<steverush@cox.net> wrote (in <8l9530prv3f9lvuu97md04b9d1bssot5ts@4ax.co
m&gt about '10 technologies that refuse to die', on Tue, 17 Feb 2004:

It's not so much a matter of power dissipation as damping;
the amp output sould, ideally, be a perfect short as seen by the
speaker, so as to better control cone motion.

Not really; the amplifier output impedance and the lead resistance are
in series with the voice-coil resistance, which is very much larger, so
any effects from the amplifier and lead are small, but not necessarily
negligible.

IF the loudspeaker designer 'balanced' its sound with an amplifier
connected *directly* to its input connector, then introducing lead
resistance would introduce a frequency response error, because the
loudspeaker impedance varies with frequency. But loudspeaker designers
don't do that; they use a lead, and balance the sound with that lead's
resistance in circuit. So, **they should either supply the lead with the
loudspeaker (which is what I did when I designed loudspeakers) or at
least specify it in the user instructions**.
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