Wireless private network over a km line of sight

[Juan Huy]

My home office has a nice unobstructed view of a beach which is several
kilometers away. I have also a small boat/dingi.
How can I use my notebook in my boat and connect to my home network?

 

[Ed :-}]

use an ext directional aerial at each end, and wpa

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Ed :-}" <ed@spamme.gov> wrote in message
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use an ext directional aerial at each end, and wpa

Yeah, only if you're dead lucky. A directional antenna is going to have a
dramatic signal drop off outside its polar pattern. Likewise all that
rocking and movement on a small boat at sea is unlikely to achieve a
reliable signal between the two points.

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Poxy]

Juan Huy wrote:

My home office has a nice unobstructed view of a beach which is
several kilometers away. I have also a small boat/dingi.
How can I use my notebook in my boat and connect to my home network?

You may get away with a reasonably directional antenna in your home pointing
at the area where you use your boat. This bunch sells a decent range of
antennas:
http://www.rfshop.com.au/ant.htm
If you look at the beam angles you can work out how high a gain antenna you
can use and still cover the area (the higher the gain the narrower the
beam).

It's not guranteed to work though, particularly if your laptop has a poor
antenna. And any trees or greenery in the way will suck up the signal.

 

[Uncle Bully]

"Juan Huy" <no@mailmailmail.com> wrote in message
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My home office has a nice unobstructed view of a beach which is several
kilometers away. I have also a small boat/dingi.
How can I use my notebook in my boat and connect to my home network?

Dunno if you've ever used a laptop outside. They don't work too good.
Plus the fact that when you're outside, a computer is the last thing you
want.

 

[Andrew M]

Notebook + boat = disaster

Take a fishing rod instead

-Andrew M

"Juan Huy" <no@mailmailmail.com> wrote in message
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My home office has a nice unobstructed view of a beach which is several kilometers
away. I have also a small boat/dingi.
How can I use my notebook in my boat and connect to my home network?

 

[Whatcher?]

"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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"Ed :-}" <ed@spamme.gov> wrote in message
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use an ext directional aerial at each end, and wpa

Yeah, only if you're dead lucky. A directional antenna is going to have a
dramatic signal drop off outside its polar pattern. Likewise all that
rocking and movement on a small boat at sea is unlikely to achieve a
reliable signal between the two points.

Over the surface of water, the wi-fi signal actually gets further with less
dropout.

 

[Whatcher?]

"Andrew M" <noone@home> wrote in message
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Notebook + boat = disaster

Take a fishing rod instead

Does he actually LIKE fishing?

 

[Colin Ž]

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"Andrew M" <noone@home> wrote in message
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Notebook + boat = disaster

Take a fishing rod instead


Does he actually LIKE fishing?

Shit, take a chick or a slab then.

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

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"Ed :-}" <ed@spamme.gov> wrote in message
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use an ext directional aerial at each end, and wpa

Yeah, only if you're dead lucky. A directional antenna is going to have
a dramatic signal drop off outside its polar pattern. Likewise all that
rocking and movement on a small boat at sea is unlikely to achieve a
reliable signal between the two points.


Over the surface of water, the wi-fi signal actually gets further with
less dropout.

Agreed to a point, but with a directional antenna and a boat bobbing and

moving about on the ocean how do you anticipate they will maintain
alignment? Even if the laptop has in-built, PCMCIA or USB wireless the
range isn't going to be very good due to the small RF output power and
bugger all antenna gain. Then there's propagation issues at 2.4GHz. I'd be
interested to see it work over those distances previously mentioned.

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Colin Ž]

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Agreed to a point, but with a directional antenna and a boat bobbing and
moving about on the ocean how do you anticipate they will maintain
alignment? Even if the laptop has in-built, PCMCIA or USB wireless the
range isn't going to be very good due to the small RF output power and
bugger all antenna gain. Then there's propagation issues at 2.4GHz. I'd
be interested to see it work over those distances previously mentioned.

There's not much doubt about it.

You can boost the base signal and have a high gain antenna but the laptop is
stuck with a flea-fart of power and is omni-directional if it's wireless is
built in.

You would need to seriously pump up the laptop output power to get
anywhere - especially if you have encryption on.

My Sony ( with inbuilt wireless) can just see the neighbours network 2
houses away - sometimes.

 

[chris]

Colin Ž wrote:

"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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Agreed to a point, but with a directional antenna and a boat bobbing and
moving about on the ocean how do you anticipate they will maintain
alignment? Even if the laptop has in-built, PCMCIA or USB wireless the
range isn't going to be very good due to the small RF output power and
bugger all antenna gain. Then there's propagation issues at 2.4GHz. I'd
be interested to see it work over those distances previously mentioned.


There's not much doubt about it.

You can boost the base signal and have a high gain antenna but the laptop is
stuck with a flea-fart of power and is omni-directional if it's wireless is
built in.

You would need to seriously pump up the laptop output power to get
anywhere - especially if you have encryption on.

My Sony ( with inbuilt wireless) can just see the neighbours network 2
houses away - sometimes.

http://www.usbwifi.orcon.net.nz/

Granted, it's still line-of-sight so even if just one end is moving
(like a boat on water) it'd be challenging.

Chris.

 

[Pete]

"Colin Ž" <tobyjug7@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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Agreed to a point, but with a directional antenna and a boat bobbing and
moving about on the ocean how do you anticipate they will maintain
alignment? Even if the laptop has in-built, PCMCIA or USB wireless the
range isn't going to be very good due to the small RF output power and
bugger all antenna gain. Then there's propagation issues at 2.4GHz. I'd
be interested to see it work over those distances previously mentioned.

There's not much doubt about it.

You can boost the base signal and have a high gain antenna but the laptop
is stuck with a flea-fart of power and is omni-directional if it's
wireless is built in.

You would need to seriously pump up the laptop output power to get
anywhere - especially if you have encryption on.

My Sony ( with inbuilt wireless) can just see the neighbours network 2
houses away - sometimes.

Come again. You say you can see the neighbours network?? Does that mean what
I think.

Cheers, Pete.

 

[Ed :-}]

it means you think what he thinks your thinking but not what the neighbour is thinking.... or am i confused with the boat bobbing on the rough swell of the mooring with the sun blinding me, so the laptop is useless!

 

[Chris McDonald]

"Pete" <Pete@nothere.com> writes:

My Sony ( with inbuilt wireless) can just see the neighbours network 2
houses away - sometimes.

Come again. You say you can see the neighbours network?? Does that mean what
I think.

Why? What do you think that it means?

--
Chris.

 

[Colin Ž]

"Pete" <Pete@nothere.com> wrote in message
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Come again. You say you can see the neighbours network?? Does that mean
what I think.

Dunno what you think but I suspect I may have left the wording ambiguous !!

The Sony detects two networks mine and his. Both are secured. So, it's
situation normal in the city or suburbia, AFAICT.

 

[Colin Ž]

No, it means you took my suggestion and took a slab out to the boat.


"Ed :-}" <ed@spamme.gov> wrote in message
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it means you think what he thinks your thinking but not what the neighbour
is thinking.... or am i confused with the boat bobbing on the rough swell
of the mooring with the sun blinding me, so the laptop is useless!

 

[Ken Taylor]

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"Pete" <Pete@nothere.com> wrote in message
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Come again. You say you can see the neighbours network?? Does that mean
what I think.


Dunno what you think but I suspect I may have left the wording ambiguous
!!

The Sony detects two networks mine and his. Both are secured. So, it's
situation normal in the city or suburbia, AFAICT.



No reason at all why that shouldn't happen. I was on an island a few weeks

back and almost everyone had a laptop and connected to one of the AP's in
the village. Several newbies had brought their own AP's (told it was a good
thing, apparently) so everything was trying to yell at everything else. Not
much throughput till some selective power-downs took place. Never seen
so many AP's appear on my laptop network screen though.

Cheers.

Ken

 

[Colin Ž]

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No reason at all why that shouldn't happen. I was on an island a few weeks
back and almost everyone had a laptop and connected to one of the AP's in
the village. Several newbies had brought their own AP's (told it was a
good thing, apparently) so everything was trying to yell at everything
else. Not much throughput till some selective power-downs took place.
Never seen so many AP's appear on my laptop network screen though.

Shit, if you were in Oz I would think you were on that Telstra payback trip
to the Barrier Reef.<G>

What are you doing with a PC on an island anyway. The're for getting pissed
and eating too much.