Windows 11 coming soon, Windows 10 retiring from 2025...

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bruce bowser

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On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 1:30:47 AM UTC-4, bo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote in alt.home.repair:
When Windows 10 was introduced Microsoft said it would be the final
Windows version so why not just simply say that it\'s a major Windows 10
update, whic it seems to be on the face of it.

I accept that existing computers will have to meet certain minimum
criterian like a minimum of 64 Gig of storage and 4 Gig of Ram etc to
run it, but most computers have those minimums anyway.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57598554

Keep in mind that here are three major alternatives to Windows: Mac OS, Linux, and Chrome.
 
On 6/27/2021 6:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:53:10 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com
wrote:

I\'ve heard that TPM will be required for Windows 11, which will brick a
lot of hardware...

TPM 2.0 is required. TPM 1.2 won\'t work. That means any machine
earlier than 2016 might not run Windoze 11.

I hadn\'t heard that it bricks hardware. Nothing in the article you
cited below. What\'s your source for that information?

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/what-is-tpm/

Some of the other Win 11 requirements are going to be a problem for me
and my customers:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications
None of my Windoze 10 machines support TPM 2.0.

Rumor has it that the Intel CPU needs to be 8th generation or higher.
I can\'t really tell from the published list of approved processors:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements
So, I get to buy all new hardware for myself and most of my customers.

An internet connection and a Microsoft login/password is required for
Win 11 Home. No clue on Win 11 Pro, or other mutations. That
requirement alone is sufficient for me to stay with Windoze 10 or look
for an alternative.

Me personally, I\'ll hold onto my perfect working Windows 7 system that I
built in 2015, and I think I\'ll try Linux when it becomes less than
functional. I don\'t have a qualm with Macs, other than I\'m not a fan
personally. I wouldn\'t trust Google/Chrome as far as I could throw it.

I\'ve been slowly moving my home stuff over to Linux Mint Cinnamon.
However, in order to stay in business, I have to use whatever my
customers are using, which means Windoze 10 and possibly 11.

I\'m watching a Win 10 install fail/lock up right now on a new out of the
box SSD and freshly-made USB install media. Great OS
 
On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
On 6/29/2021 2:02 PM, ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
I tried installing two different distros Linux, and both were*more* laggy than the XP
Did you try something light like Puppy Linux?

No, I did not. I tried Zorin and Mint IIRC. The Linux distros I installed were so much more laggy than XP on this particular machine that I figured even a lighter version would be no improvement. It\'s the end of the road for this Pent IV.. I kept it this long for sentimental reasons. Never had a blue screen ever. I\'ve had certain programs crash, but was able to shut down and restart the program through Task Manager. Never once had to shut down the computer and reboot.

I\'ll probably install Zorin on my new build. Right now I\'m using my laptop with 7 and it\'s running fine.
 
On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 00:15:26 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 6/27/2021 6:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

What do you call this 27th month?

On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:53:10 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com
wrote:

I\'ve heard that TPM will be required for Windows 11, which will brick a
lot of hardware...

You will need an imaginary machine.

I\'m watching a Win 10 install fail/lock up right now on a new out of the
box SSD and freshly-made USB install media. Great OS

Windows 10 is a great OS that has very modest hardware requirements.
That\'s why there are no plans to produce Windows 11.
 
On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 00:15:26 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 6/27/2021 6:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

What do you call this 27th month?

On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:53:10 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com
wrote:

I\'ve heard that TPM will be required for Windows 11, which will brick a
lot of hardware...

You will need an imaginary machine.

I\'m watching a Win 10 install fail/lock up right now on a new out of the
box SSD and freshly-made USB install media. Great OS

Windows 10 is a great OS that has very modest hardware requirements.
That\'s why there are no plans to produce Windows 11.
 
On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 12:21:39 AM UTC-4, Lucifer wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 00:15:26 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 6/27/2021 6:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
What do you call this 27th month?
On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:53:10 -0400, Michael Trew <mt99...@ymail.com
wrote:

I\'ve heard that TPM will be required for Windows 11, which will brick a
lot of hardware...
You will need an imaginary machine.
I\'m watching a Win 10 install fail/lock up right now on a new out of the
box SSD and freshly-made USB install media. Great OS
Windows 10 is a great OS that has very modest hardware requirements.
That\'s why there are no plans to produce Windows 11.

According to Satan himself (sorry), Windows 11 is slated for fourth quarter \'21
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11
 
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In the meantime I will be uilding an XP PC but on a better board. It is going to be fast. Wil have the 4GB RAM of course, 2 SSDs. Has all the outputs for HDMI, DVI, It will have al kinds of cool software on it that would cost many many thousands for the new version.

Everyone warn of virus and all tis sit, I don\'t have those problems.
 
On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 08:57:43 -0700 (PDT), \"jurb...@gmail.com\"
<jurb6006@gmail.com> wrote:

>In the meantime I will be uilding an XP PC but on a better board. It is going to be fast. Wil have the 4GB RAM of course, 2 SSDs.

XP can use more than 4GB RAM if the motherboard supports PAE:
<https://itstillworks.com/how-to-enable-pae-on-a-32-bit-windows-xp-10155.html>
<https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36597>

An SSD will work on XP, but you will have problems unless you
impliment some scheme to regularly run the \"TRIM\" command. The TRIM
command or button is usually found in the various SSD managment
software that comes with the SSD (e.g. Samsung Magician). I\'ve had
problems with TRIM when using a fairly new SSD and old software that\'s
XP compatible.

[Q] What do you get when you put a jet engine in a Volkswagen?
[A] It\'s still a Volkswagen.

Has all the outputs for HDMI, DVI, It will have al kinds of cool
software on it that would cost many many thousands for the new version.

Or, you could get the FOSS or Linux versions for next to nothing.

>Everyone warn of virus and all tis sit, I don\'t have those problems.

The old viruses are still out there.
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
> In the meantime I will be uilding an XP PC but on a better board. It is going to be fast. Wil have the 4GB RAM of course, 2 SSDs. Has all the outputs for HDMI, DVI, It will have al kinds of cool software on it that would cost many many thousands for the new version.

If it has at least 2 cores, Windows 10 LTSB works great. Note I mean the LTSB version, not the mainstream Home version that comes overloaded of useless apps. I use the LTSB version in old computers like Intel Duo core with 2Gb of RAM and it works great and lets you install up to date software like Edge and Office 2019.
 
jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

> I will be uilding an XP PC but on a better board. It is going to be fast. Wil have the 4GB RAM of course

Use XP 64bit edition and give it more RAM?
 
In article <5fb6ecb9-3eff-4fee-a31a-76c52da3a5dfn@googlegroups.com>,
bruce2bowser@gmail.com says...
Keep in mind that here are three major alternatives to Windows: Mac OS, Linux, and Chrome.

Those are of no help if the programs I want to run have no equivelent
and are only written to run under Windows.
 
In article <5fb6ecb9-3eff-4fee-a31a-76c52da3a5dfn@googlegroups.com>,
bruce2bowser@gmail.com says...
Keep in mind that here are three major alternatives to Windows: Mac OS, Linux, and Chrome.

Those are of no help if the programs I want to run have no equivelent
and are only written to run under Windows.
 
On 6/27/2021 12:01 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 1:30:47 AM UTC-4, bo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote in alt.home.repair:
When Windows 10 was introduced Microsoft said it would be the final
Windows version so why not just simply say that it\'s a major Windows 10
update, whic it seems to be on the face of it.

I accept that existing computers will have to meet certain minimum
criterian like a minimum of 64 Gig of storage and 4 Gig of Ram etc to
run it, but most computers have those minimums anyway.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57598554


Keep in mind that here are three major alternatives to Windows: Mac OS, Linux, and Chrome.

I\'ve heard that TPM will be required for Windows 11, which will brick a
lot of hardware...

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/what-is-tpm/

Me personally, I\'ll hold onto my perfect working Windows 7 system that I
built in 2015, and I think I\'ll try Linux when it becomes less than
functional. I don\'t have a qualm with Macs, other than I\'m not a fan
personally. I wouldn\'t trust Google/Chrome as far as I could throw it.
 
On 6/27/2021 12:01 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 1:30:47 AM UTC-4, bo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote in alt.home.repair:
When Windows 10 was introduced Microsoft said it would be the final
Windows version so why not just simply say that it\'s a major Windows 10
update, whic it seems to be on the face of it.

I accept that existing computers will have to meet certain minimum
criterian like a minimum of 64 Gig of storage and 4 Gig of Ram etc to
run it, but most computers have those minimums anyway.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57598554


Keep in mind that here are three major alternatives to Windows: Mac OS, Linux, and Chrome.

I\'ve heard that TPM will be required for Windows 11, which will brick a
lot of hardware...

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/what-is-tpm/

Me personally, I\'ll hold onto my perfect working Windows 7 system that I
built in 2015, and I think I\'ll try Linux when it becomes less than
functional. I don\'t have a qualm with Macs, other than I\'m not a fan
personally. I wouldn\'t trust Google/Chrome as far as I could throw it.
 
Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
In article <5fb6ecb9-3eff-4fee-a31a-76c52da3a5dfn@googlegroups.com>,
bruce2bowser@gmail.com says...


Keep in mind that here are three major alternatives to Windows: Mac OS, Linux, and Chrome.



Those are of no help if the programs I want to run have no equivelent
and are only written to run under Windows.

By 2025 there probably will not be many of those left...

In business use Windows has become nearly redundant already, as more
and more applications are being moved to the cloud and are being
accessed via an internet browser.

Maybe for personal use and gaming there is still some place for Windows,
although many gaming programs already exist cross-platform.
 
On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:53:10 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com>
wrote:

I\'ve heard that TPM will be required for Windows 11, which will brick a
lot of hardware...

TPM 2.0 is required. TPM 1.2 won\'t work. That means any machine
earlier than 2016 might not run Windoze 11.

I hadn\'t heard that it bricks hardware. Nothing in the article you
cited below. What\'s your source for that information?
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/what-is-tpm/

Some of the other Win 11 requirements are going to be a problem for me
and my customers:
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications>
None of my Windoze 10 machines support TPM 2.0.

Rumor has it that the Intel CPU needs to be 8th generation or higher.
I can\'t really tell from the published list of approved processors:
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements>
So, I get to buy all new hardware for myself and most of my customers.

An internet connection and a Microsoft login/password is required for
Win 11 Home. No clue on Win 11 Pro, or other mutations. That
requirement alone is sufficient for me to stay with Windoze 10 or look
for an alternative.

Me personally, I\'ll hold onto my perfect working Windows 7 system that I
built in 2015, and I think I\'ll try Linux when it becomes less than
functional. I don\'t have a qualm with Macs, other than I\'m not a fan
personally. I wouldn\'t trust Google/Chrome as far as I could throw it.

I\'ve been slowly moving my home stuff over to Linux Mint Cinnamon.
However, in order to stay in business, I have to use whatever my
customers are using, which means Windoze 10 and possibly 11.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:53:10 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com>
wrote:

I\'ve heard that TPM will be required for Windows 11, which will brick a
lot of hardware...

TPM 2.0 is required. TPM 1.2 won\'t work. That means any machine
earlier than 2016 might not run Windoze 11.

I hadn\'t heard that it bricks hardware. Nothing in the article you
cited below. What\'s your source for that information?
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/what-is-tpm/

Some of the other Win 11 requirements are going to be a problem for me
and my customers:
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications>
None of my Windoze 10 machines support TPM 2.0.

Rumor has it that the Intel CPU needs to be 8th generation or higher.
I can\'t really tell from the published list of approved processors:
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements>
So, I get to buy all new hardware for myself and most of my customers.

An internet connection and a Microsoft login/password is required for
Win 11 Home. No clue on Win 11 Pro, or other mutations. That
requirement alone is sufficient for me to stay with Windoze 10 or look
for an alternative.

Me personally, I\'ll hold onto my perfect working Windows 7 system that I
built in 2015, and I think I\'ll try Linux when it becomes less than
functional. I don\'t have a qualm with Macs, other than I\'m not a fan
personally. I wouldn\'t trust Google/Chrome as far as I could throw it.

I\'ve been slowly moving my home stuff over to Linux Mint Cinnamon.
However, in order to stay in business, I have to use whatever my
customers are using, which means Windoze 10 and possibly 11.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On 6/27/2021 6:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
TPM 2.0 is required. TPM 1.2 won\'t work. That means any machine
earlier than 2016 might not run Windoze 11.

I hadn\'t heard that it bricks hardware. Nothing in the article you
cited below. What\'s your source for that information?

\"Bricked\" was a poor choice of wording. What I should have said was
\"hardware that isn\'t TPM 2.0 compatible will be useless with Windows 11
(useless = bricked)

I\'ve been slowly moving my home stuff over to Linux Mint Cinnamon.
However, in order to stay in business, I have to use whatever my
customers are using, which means Windoze 10 and possibly 11.

That\'s a fair point, when running a business, I could understand that.
Myself, I only use if for home/recreational purposes. With how little I
use my computer for, if I really wanted to, I could still use a Windows
XP machine (not that I would). The main issue being that several
websites now might not be compatible with the latest XP supported browser.
 
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:53:10 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com
wrote:

I\'ve heard that TPM will be required for Windows 11, which will brick a
lot of hardware...

TPM 2.0 is required. TPM 1.2 won\'t work. That means any machine
earlier than 2016 might not run Windoze 11.

I hadn\'t heard that it bricks hardware. Nothing in the article you
cited below. What\'s your source for that information?

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/what-is-tpm/

Some of the other Win 11 requirements are going to be a problem for me
and my customers:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications
None of my Windoze 10 machines support TPM 2.0.

Rumor has it that the Intel CPU needs to be 8th generation or higher.
I can\'t really tell from the published list of approved processors:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements
So, I get to buy all new hardware for myself and most of my customers.

This is of course the reason that Microsoft has introduced these
requirements, so almost everyone will have to buy new hardware and the
hardware manufacturers are happy.
This also increases Microsoft revenue as new hardware means a new
Windows license, rather than some upgrade from Windows 10 which likely
would be free.
 
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:53:10 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com
wrote:

I\'ve heard that TPM will be required for Windows 11, which will brick a
lot of hardware...

TPM 2.0 is required. TPM 1.2 won\'t work. That means any machine
earlier than 2016 might not run Windoze 11.

I hadn\'t heard that it bricks hardware. Nothing in the article you
cited below. What\'s your source for that information?

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/what-is-tpm/

Some of the other Win 11 requirements are going to be a problem for me
and my customers:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications
None of my Windoze 10 machines support TPM 2.0.

Rumor has it that the Intel CPU needs to be 8th generation or higher.
I can\'t really tell from the published list of approved processors:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements
So, I get to buy all new hardware for myself and most of my customers.

This is of course the reason that Microsoft has introduced these
requirements, so almost everyone will have to buy new hardware and the
hardware manufacturers are happy.
This also increases Microsoft revenue as new hardware means a new
Windows license, rather than some upgrade from Windows 10 which likely
would be free.
 

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