Will this capacitor work?

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Dallas

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Hi guys, the motor run capacitor for my rolling shutters tubular motor
died. The cap case size is 35mm x 78mm and this is critical because it
must fit inside the motor enclosure. I've looked at hundreds of 20 ľF
capacitors and they all were at least 40mm diameter (too wide). Then I
found a capacitor that is 25mm x 56.5mm. This is tiny and I'm thinking
it must be too good to be true. Can you help me decide if this
capacitor will run this motor? The printing on the original capacitor
is:
Arcotronic – (purchased by KEMET)
Part Number C.87.7ZF2 MKP
20 ľF +/-5% b
320 V~ HPF N
560-8/A1
(In the USA voltage is 120 volts)
(out of production for years, none available)
And the data sheet for the prospective new little one:
https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2755239.pdf

--
Dallas
 
In article <qak9jv$e3r$1@dont-email.me>, Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com
says...
Hi guys, the motor run capacitor for my rolling shutters tubular motor
died. The cap case size is 35mm x 78mm and this is critical because it
must fit inside the motor enclosure. I've looked at hundreds of 20 ľF
capacitors and they all were at least 40mm diameter (too wide). Then I
found a capacitor that is 25mm x 56.5mm. This is tiny and I'm thinking
it must be too good to be true. Can you help me decide if this
capacitor will run this motor? The printing on the original capacitor
is:
Arcotronic ? (purchased by KEMET)
Part Number C.87.7ZF2 MKP
20 ľF +/-5% b
320 V~ HPF N
560-8/A1
(In the USA voltage is 120 volts)
(out of production for years, none available)
And the data sheet for the prospective new little one:
https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2755239.pdf
Click to expand...

I do not see any reasonthat it would not work. It is a motor run
capacitor. The uF is the same and the voltage rating is as high or
higher (much higher in this case). While not really important in your
cse, the temperature rating is 85 deg C. It would be better if it was
over 100 deg C. That just usually indicates a bette capacitor, but not
really needed in your case.
 
On Sat, 4 May 2019 15:03:27 -0000 (UTC), "Dallas"
<Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:

Hi guys, the motor run capacitor for my rolling shutters tubular motor
died. The cap case size is 35mm x 78mm and this is critical because it
must fit inside the motor enclosure. I've looked at hundreds of 20 ľF
capacitors and they all were at least 40mm diameter (too wide). Then I
found a capacitor that is 25mm x 56.5mm. This is tiny and I'm thinking
it must be too good to be true. Can you help me decide if this
capacitor will run this motor? The printing on the original capacitor
is:
Arcotronic – (purchased by KEMET)
Part Number C.87.7ZF2 MKP
20 ľF +/-5% b
320 V~ HPF N
560-8/A1
(In the USA voltage is 120 volts)
(out of production for years, none available)
And the data sheet for the prospective new little one:
https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2755239.pdf
Click to expand...

It looks ok, with one possible problem. The capacitor should be
non-polarized.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_capacitor>
Start capacitors above 20 ľF are always non-polarized
aluminium electrolytic capacitors [4] with non solid
electrolyte and therefore they are only applicable for
the short motor starting time.
I dunno about the "non solid electrolyte" since the capacitor in
question is a "solid" polypropylene metallized film dielectric. Oh
well.

I can't tell from the Farnell data sheet whether it's an NP cap.
So, I found the original C87 series data sheet at:
<https://content.kemet.com/datasheets/KEM_F3063_C87.pdf>
It doesn't specifically say non-polarized, but the lack of polarity
markings and an "AC" voltage rating, indicates that it's probably NP.
Yes, it should work.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On 5/4/2019 1:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 4 May 2019 15:03:27 -0000 (UTC), "Dallas"
Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:


Hi guys, the motor run capacitor for my rolling shutters tubular motor
died. The cap case size is 35mm x 78mm and this is critical because it
must fit inside the motor enclosure. I've looked at hundreds of 20 ÂľF
capacitors and they all were at least 40mm diameter (too wide). Then I
found a capacitor that is 25mm x 56.5mm. This is tiny and I'm thinking
it must be too good to be true. Can you help me decide if this
capacitor will run this motor? The printing on the original capacitor
is:
Arcotronic – (purchased by KEMET)
Part Number C.87.7ZF2 MKP
20 ÂľF +/-5% b
320 V~ HPF N
560-8/A1
(In the USA voltage is 120 volts)
(out of production for years, none available)
And the data sheet for the prospective new little one:
https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2755239.pdf

It looks ok, with one possible problem. The capacitor should be
non-polarized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_capacitor
Start capacitors above 20 ÂľF are always non-polarized
aluminium electrolytic capacitors [4] with non solid
electrolyte and therefore they are only applicable for
the short motor starting time.
I dunno about the "non solid electrolyte" since the capacitor in
question is a "solid" polypropylene metallized film dielectric. Oh
well.

I can't tell from the Farnell data sheet whether it's an NP cap.
So, I found the original C87 series data sheet at:
https://content.kemet.com/datasheets/KEM_F3063_C87.pdf
It doesn't specifically say non-polarized, but the lack of polarity
markings and an "AC" voltage rating, indicates that it's probably NP.
Yes, it should work.
Click to expand...

I'd like to pass some of your help ethic on to Phil.
But I'm afraid it would take a massive dose, and end up harming
your superpower!
Luv you Jeff, Mikek :)
 
In article <ftkrcepgj5vq9l3q9c5s95afdm91arafj6@4ax.com>,
jeffl@cruzio.com says...
It looks ok, with one possible problem. The capacitor should be
non-polarized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_capacitor
Start capacitors above 20 ľF are always non-polarized
aluminium electrolytic capacitors [4] with non solid
electrolyte and therefore they are only applicable for
the short motor starting time.
I dunno about the "non solid electrolyte" since the capacitor in
question is a "solid" polypropylene metallized film dielectric. Oh
well
Click to expand...

The capacitor in question was listed as a motor RUN capacitor,not start.

The top of the data sheet says RUN so the non-polarized electrolyte
part should not be in question.
 
Dallas wrote:

Yeah... I love this group. It's been years since I've been here and
I'm super happy that it's still going and not wrecked by trolls.

Thanks guys!




--
Dallas
 
On 2019/05/04 8:03 a.m., Dallas wrote:
Hi guys, the motor run capacitor for my rolling shutters tubular motor
died. The cap case size is 35mm x 78mm and this is critical because it
must fit inside the motor enclosure. I've looked at hundreds of 20 ÂľF
capacitors and they all were at least 40mm diameter (too wide). Then I
found a capacitor that is 25mm x 56.5mm. This is tiny and I'm thinking
it must be too good to be true. Can you help me decide if this
capacitor will run this motor? The printing on the original capacitor
is:
Arcotronic – (purchased by KEMET)
Part Number C.87.7ZF2 MKP
20 ÂľF +/-5% b
320 V~ HPF N
560-8/A1
(In the USA voltage is 120 volts)
(out of production for years, none available)
And the data sheet for the prospective new little one:
https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2755239.pdf
Click to expand...

Do you have any photos of your rollup door? I'm wondering if it is the
same make as my old 1970s vintage door on my midway rifle gallery game.

I've put a few pictures of my door motor here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/o74oeoers7uky55/AAB7Z8tLqrGbltXAthIOVXXia?dl=0

John :-#)#
 
On Sat, 4 May 2019 16:54:36 -0400, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote:

In article <ftkrcepgj5vq9l3q9c5s95afdm91arafj6@4ax.com>,
jeffl@cruzio.com says...

It looks ok, with one possible problem. The capacitor should be
non-polarized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_capacitor
Start capacitors above 20 ľF are always non-polarized
aluminium electrolytic capacitors [4] with non solid
electrolyte and therefore they are only applicable for
the short motor starting time.
I dunno about the "non solid electrolyte" since the capacitor in
question is a "solid" polypropylene metallized film dielectric. Oh
well

The capacitor in question was listed as a motor RUN capacitor,not start.

The top of the data sheet says RUN so the non-polarized electrolyte
part should not be in question.
Click to expand...

Oops. I stand corrected. I wasn't paying attention to the
differences between start and run capacitors.

Run vs. Starting Capacitor
<http://www.capacitorformotor.com/starting_capacitor.html>
<http://www.capacitorindustries.com/wp-content/uploads/Run-and-Start-Capacitors.pdf>

In any case, the data sheet is the correct one for a run capacitor:
<https://content.kemet.com/datasheets/KEM_F3063_C87.pdf>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
John Robertson wrote:

AAB7Z8tLqrGbltXAthIOVXXia
Click to expand...

Yup, nearly identical. Same gears for the limit switches. (pain in
the ass :- )


--
Dallas
 
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