Will Osama help W.?

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Winfield Hill

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My favorite part: "The Bushies’ campaign pitch follows their usual backward
logic: Because we have failed to make you safe in three years, you should
reelect us to make you safer in the next four years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/opinion/31dowd.html?
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=Opinion&OID=62531

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MAUREEN DOWD - October 28, 2004 - WASHINGTON -

Some people thought the October surprise would be the President producing
Osama.

Instead, it was Osama producing yet another video taunting the President
and lecturing America.

After bin Laden’s pre-election commentary from his anchor desk at a secure,
undisclosed location, many TV chatterers and Republicans postulated that
the evildoer’s campaign intrusion would help the President.

OBL, they said, might reelect W.

They follow the Bush strategists’ reasoning that since President Bush rates
higher than John Kerry on fighting terror, anytime Americans get rattled
about Iraq and al-Qaeda, it’s a plus for the President. And Republicans can
keep claiming that al-Qaeda wants the “weak” Democrat elected, even as some
intelligence experts suggest the terrorists prefer that the belligerent
Mr. Bush stay in power because he has been a boon to jihadist recruiting,
with his disastrous occupation of Iraq and his true believer, us-versus-them,
my-Christian-God’s-directing-my-foreign-policy vibe.

The Bushies’ campaign pitch follows their usual backward logic: Because
we have failed to make you safe, you should reelect us to make you safer.
Because we haven’t caught Osama in three years, you need us to catch Osama
in the next four years. Because we didn’t bother to secure explosives in
Iraq, you can count on us to make sure those explosives aren’t used against
you.

You’d think that seeing Osama looking fit as a fiddle and ready for hate
would spark anger at the Bush administration’s cynical diversion of the war
on al-Qaeda to the war on Saddam. It’s absurd that we’re mired in Iraq —
an invasion the demented Vice President praised on Friday for its
“brilliance” — while the 9/11 mastermind nonchalantly pops up anytime he
wants. For some, it seemed cartoonish, with Osama as Road Runner beeping
by Wile E. Bush as Dick Cheney and Rummy run the Acme/Halliburton explosives
company—now under FBI investigation for its no-bid contracts on anvils, axle
grease (guaranteed slippery) and dehydrated boulders (just add water).

Osama slouched onto TV bragging about pulling off the 9/11 attacks just
after the President strutted onto TV in New Hampshire with 9/11 families,
bragging that al-Qaeda leaders know “we are on their trail.”

Maybe bin Laden hasn’t gotten the word. Maybe W. should get off the trail
and get on Osama’s tail.

W. was clinging to his inane mantra that if we fight the terrorists over
there, we don’t have to fight them here, even as bin Laden was back on TV
threatening to come here. The President still avoided using Osama’s name
on Friday, part of the concerted effort to downgrade him and merge him with
Iraqi insurgents.

The White House reaction to the disclosures about the vanished explosives
in Iraq was typical. Though it’s clear the treasures and terrors of Iraq —
from viruses to ammunition to artifacts—were being looted and loaded into
donkey carts and pickups because we had insufficient troops to secure the
country, Bush officials devoted the vast resources of the government to
trying to undermine the facts to protect the President.

The Pentagon mobilized to debunk the bunker story with a tortured press
conference and a satellite photo of trucks that proved about as much as
Colin Powell’s prewar drawings of two trailers that were supposed to be
mobile biological weapons labs.

Republicans insinuated that it was a plot by foreign internationalists to
help the foreigner-loving, internationalist Kerry, a UN leak from the camp
of Mohamed ElBaradei to hurt the administration that had scorned the UN as
a weak sister.

In their ruthless determination to put Mr. Bush’s political future ahead of
our future safety, the White House and House Republicans last week thwarted
the enactment of recommendations of the 9/11 commission they never wanted
in the first place.

While pretending to be serious about getting a bill on reorganizing
intelligence agencies before the election, the White House never forced
congressional Republicans to come to an agreement. So the advice from the
panel that spent 19 months studying how the government could shore up
intelligence so there wouldn’t be another 9/11 may be squandered, even
though Dick Cheney’s favorite warning to scare voters away from Mr. Kerry
is that we might someday face terrorists “in the middle of one of our cities
with deadlier weapons than have ever before been used against us,” including
a nuclear bomb.

Wow. I feel safer. Don’t you?


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)
 
On 31 Oct 2004 12:25:13 -0800, Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote...

Keep it up Win and I'll have to relegate you to the Fred Bloggs,
hateful bigot and politically-dumber-than-a-stump, category.

In the past you've said some _very_ nice things about Bloggs.
Technically near brilliance, otherwise insane.

The New York Times is the nation's largest and most respected
newspaper,
On your side of the US, maybe... biased to beat all hell,
simple-minded reading for leftists.

and Maureen Dowd is one of their Pulitzer Prize winning
op-ed columnists. You don't want to read her you don't have to.
And Arafat got a Nobel Prize for Peace... awards don't mean anything.

As for me, I'm bound and determined to see GWB out of office,
simple as that, for the overwhelming good of our entire country.
I know that you feel that way.

Me, I think Kerry will be worse than Carter... but actually I don't
care, my assets and income are well-protected, and you Democrats need
a hard-ball lesson... maybe we can kill off the Democrat Party during
the resulting depression.

And the BITCH won't be able to run for President ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On 31 Oct 2004 14:25:01 -0800, Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote...

[snip]
However, I suspect you'll still be pissed and unhappy.
Not nearly as unhappy as those _middle_class_ who find their income
taxes rates up.

And the BITCH won't be able to run for President ;-)

I'm not sure she'd be nominated, but what's your reasoning?
If Bush is reelected the Bitch will run in 2008.

If Kerry is elected, and I suspect he may well be, the Democrat Party
would not run another candidate against an incumbent in 2008.

In 2012, the BITCH will be too old.

Besides, McCain will be elected in 2008 ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:37:46 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:00:54 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


Besides, McCain will be elected in 2008 ;-)

...Jim Thompson


McCain seem to really understand what's important, and to care. My
Commie wife and my Facist self could agree on him.

John
He's been a good Senator for Arizona. I like that he's a moderate.

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 07:33:27 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:12:16 +0100, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
frithiof.jensen@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote:


"Winfield Hill" <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:cm39fu01f22@drn.newsguy.com...

Wow. I feel safer. Don't you?

Osama is long dead - probably his very own people found it to be more
convenient with a real living myth to speak their cause than a real person
than a wounded Osama that might have different opnions and even get himself
captured - http://www.atimes.com


Do you live in a news-restricted world?

...Jim Thompson
Speaking of which- *finally*, the full transcript of bin Laden's
13-minute speech, not just the 5-minute edited version:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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On 1 Nov 2004 04:40:57 -0800, Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

[snip]
As one small example of our country's mood, I offer the plight of our
airlines. It's now clear that we are not collectively afraid of flying.
Yet even though tickets are dirt cheap, our flying miles as a society are
way down in the last few years. We simply don't feel like traveling, our
exuberance is badly damaged. The police-state environment we encounter
when traveling does not help. Excuse me, it does not help our security to
break off the nail-cleaning blade of a passenger's finger-nail clipper,
but it certainly sends a message that small minds are in control, and we
had better h8hunker down. Unfortunately that attitude spreads throughout
our collective psyche, and our creativity and willingness to take business
risks is suppressed.
Aha! Something we can agree on! I've lost several 1-1/2" Swiss Army
Knives at "Security". Took me nearly two hours on October 6 to get to
my gate in Phoenix... seems someone named James Thompson is on the
terrorist list, last year they strip searched my father (85 at the
time).

I probably got listed because I've dared to write
letters-to-the-editor asking, "When did you last catch a terrorist?"

I also sent Bush a letter saying knock off the statements dictating
religion, restricting stem cell research or forbidding gay civil
unions... or he'd lose the election. Probably didn't make him smile
;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:12:16 +0100, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
<frithiof.jensen@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote:

"Winfield Hill" <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:cm39fu01f22@drn.newsguy.com...

Wow. I feel safer. Don't you?

Osama is long dead - probably his very own people found it to be more
convenient with a real living myth to speak their cause than a real person
than a wounded Osama that might have different opnions and even get himself
captured - http://www.atimes.com
Do you live in a news-restricted world?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:25:16 +0100, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
<frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:aukco01io185j3g24bh0301l5qe418se8n@4ax.com...

Idiot! You said, "Osama is long dead". Seems you are misinformed.

Fool! Seems you'll buy anything just because it's on TeeVee.
The voice analysis types seem to think he's the real thing.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:14:34 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 08:39:46 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:25:16 +0100, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> wrote:


"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:aukco01io185j3g24bh0301l5qe418se8n@4ax.com...

Idiot! You said, "Osama is long dead". Seems you are misinformed.

Fool! Seems you'll buy anything just because it's on TeeVee.


The voice analysis types seem to think he's the real thing.

...Jim Thompson

Unless you believe that US intelligence and the administration are in
on some monstrous conspiracy.
Isn't it amazing how we can have a conspiracy involving thousands, yet
nary a leak ?:)

Fasten your tinfoil hat (shiny side *out*)...


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
I thought it was "shiny side in", so they couldn't read your mind ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
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| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:14:34 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 08:39:46 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:25:16 +0100, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> wrote:


"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:aukco01io185j3g24bh0301l5qe418se8n@4ax.com...

Idiot! You said, "Osama is long dead". Seems you are misinformed.

Fool! Seems you'll buy anything just because it's on TeeVee.


The voice analysis types seem to think he's the real thing.

...Jim Thompson

Unless you believe that US intelligence and the administration are in
on some monstrous conspiracy.
I do. See "Halliburton".

How about treason?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6819.htm

Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar!

Thanks,
Rich
 
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:57:17 +0000, Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:

Winfield Hill wrote:

My favorite part: "The Bushies' campaign pitch follows their usual
backward logic: Because we have failed to make you safe in three
years, you should reelect us to make you safer in the next four
years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/opinion/31dowd.html?
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=Opinion&OID=62531

---
MAUREEN DOWD - October 28, 2004 - WASHINGTON -

Some people thought the October surprise would be the President
producing Osama.

Instead, it was Osama producing yet another video taunting the
President and lecturing America.

After bin Laden's pre-election commentary from his anchor desk at a
secure, undisclosed location, many TV chatterers and Republicans
postulated that the evildoer's campaign intrusion would help the
President.

Possibly.
I strongly suspect that OBL wants Bush in charge rather than Kerry.
A Vote for Bush is a Vote for Terrorism!
A Vote for Bush is a Vote for Al-Quaeda!
A Vote for Bush is a Vote for Mass Murder!

Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar.

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:16:19 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken
Smith) wrote:

In article <dihco0hioq694nrpjnis2jcgs4m4fh47jq@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
[...]
Aha! Something we can agree on! I've lost several 1-1/2" Swiss Army
Knives at "Security". Took me nearly two hours on October 6 to get to

Metal rulers and pens go through. They don't check to see if your shoe
laces are Kevlar strings. None of it make s sense.
I won't elaborate on how dangerous "ordinary" items can be. If I
posted what you could do, I'd probably be arrested. For instance,
just imagine the end of a Pentel 0.5 pencil right into the eye ;-)

The other annoyance is unpacking the laptop every time... for what...
the dummy picks it up and looks at it for maybe one second then puts
it back on the belt. (In Frankfurt, Germany, I have to boot it up and
prove that it works as a PC... wonder what they do with a cell phone?)

And my suspenders set off the metal detector every time, as well as my
Ecco shoes... so here I am shoe-less, with my pants about to fall off,
when I go thru the detector ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"Winfield Hill" <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:cm41kt0ujq@drn.newsguy.com...
John Larkin wrote...

(Hey, we were up at Cornell last week, visiting The Brat. It was
peak leaf-peeping season, the ducks were ducking, the waterfalls
were waterfalling, and it was beautiful.

We are having s spectacular fall.

The number of Bush signs and Kerry signs in the neighborhood were
pretty near equal.)

Matches the rest of the country I suspect. This is going to be a
real cliffhanger. Walter Cronkite suggested that we'd not know the
winner until next year. Scary!


--
Thanks,
- Win
Geez, you guys really should do something about the way you vote and count
the votes. In Australia, even with 100-odd (100 *very odd!) candidates for
the Senate it doesn't take more than a week at worst to find the last couple
of winners. The House is done in hours, and it's manual count (and re-count,
as necessary), and the preferential voting system is often called
'difficult' (strangely enough, by those who don't use it).

There's something about that old human CPU that just keeps grinding along
with the counting when a more perfect electronic system would hiccup.....

Ken
 
Winfield Hill wrote:
Winfield Hill wrote...

Winfield Hill wrote...

My favorite part: "The Bushies’ campaign pitch follows their usual
backward logic: Because we have failed to make you safe in three years,
you should reelect us to make you safer in the next four years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/opinion/31dowd.html?
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=Opinion&OID=62531

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MAUREEN DOWD - October 28, 2004 - WASHINGTON - [ snip ]

Here's another take (or more accurately, set of takes) on the issue.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1101/p03s01-uspo.html


And here are some trustworthy polling results.

http://www.democracycorps.com/reports/surveys/Democracy_Corps_October_29-31_2004_Survey.pdf

Q.50 As you may know, Osama Bin Laden released a videotape yesterday.
Does this make you more likely to vote for John Kerry, George Bush or
does it not make a difference?

Much more likely Kerry.......................... 10
Somewhat more likely Kerry ...................... 2
Somewhat more likely Bush ....................... 2
Much more likely Bush .......................... 13
(No difference) ................................ 69
(Don't know/Refused) ............................ 4

Total More likely Kerry ........................ 12
Total More likely Bush ......................... 16


Q.51 I'm going to read you a pair of statements about the release
of Bin Laden's videotape. Please tell me which one comes closer to
your view. It makes me think that George Bush took his eye off the
ball in Afghanistan and diverted resources to Iraq. It underscores
the importance of George Bush's approach to the war on terrorism.

Which statement comes closer to your own view?

Bush took eye off ball strongly .................. 36
Bush took eye off ball not so ..................... 7
Importance of Bush's approach not so strongly ..... 7
Importance of Bush's approach strongly ........... 33
(Both) ............................................ 0
(Neither) ......................................... 7
(Don't know/Refused) ............................. 10

Total Took eye off ball .......................... 42
Total Importance of approach ..................... 40

---

Hmm, I wonder what the results of question 50 would have been had
they reversed the order of the two questions?
Bush does not have a good approval rating on his approach to the war on
terror. His so-called approval in this area closely tracks the
statistical distribution in the general voter population of his hard
core support base who believe in his infallibility- no amount of factual
evidence will change their minds. The results might have been far
different if they replaced reference to George Bush with US- since it is
well known these mindless idiots have very little real knowledge- even
of their candidate.
 

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