Will a 24 volt welder kill me? input 115V output 20-70 A

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Terry Moushari

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Is there a possibility of getting electrocuted to death by a 24V AC portable
welder. Sometime the pavement is wet when I'm welding alone and I'm worried.
Sometimes the glove I use is too thin not sure what will happens when my
glove rips, for example. Will I be electrocuted and die as a result?
Terry

Here's the welder http://tinyurl.com/2r6fe
 
"Terry Moushari" <Moushari@hi.com> wrote in message
news:81c1646d23dab6d81c4104aa3531ebe0@news.bubbanews.com...
Is there a possibility of getting electrocuted to death by a 24V AC
portable
welder. Sometime the pavement is wet when I'm welding alone and I'm
worried.
Sometimes the glove I use is too thin not sure what will happens when my
glove rips, for example. Will I be electrocuted and die as a result?
Terry

Here's the welder http://tinyurl.com/2r6fe
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The link claims the maximum open circuit voltage is 37V. At 37V it is
relatively difficult even to sustain a shock that you can feel much less be
harmed by. I wouldn't be excessively worried about getting electrocuted.
You could deliberately grab both electrodes tightly with sweaty hands and
you wouldn't likely get hurt (though under these circumstances you might
feel a little something). If you are concerned about something like a
misconnected ground wire or somesuch like that, you might just test for
voltage with your DMM between the output electrodes and the wet pavement.
I'm not too familiar with welders but I suspect they normally have fully
isolated outputs.

Be much more concerned about inhaling toxic fumes, getting burned, suffering
eye damage (due to the intense light, UV radiation, or flying molten metal),
lighting something unintentional on fire, or exercising otherwise extremely
bad judgment (ex: don't weld a carrying handle onto a full natural gas
bottle).
 
"Terry Moushari" <Moushari@hi.com> wrote in message
news:81c1646d23dab6d81c4104aa3531ebe0@news.bubbanews.com...
Is there a possibility of getting electrocuted to death by a 24V AC
portable
welder. Sometime the pavement is wet when I'm welding alone and I'm
worried.
Sometimes the glove I use is too thin not sure what will happens when my
glove rips, for example. Will I be electrocuted and die as a result?
Terry

Here's the welder http://tinyurl.com/2r6fe
Click to expand...
See this for more info http://www.esainspection.net/flash/02-04-fl.pdf

Welders are not toys and using them in improper locations can be dangerous.
 
"Terry Moushari" <Moushari@hi.com> schreef in bericht
news:81c1646d23dab6d81c4104aa3531ebe0@news.bubbanews.com...
Is there a possibility of getting electrocuted to death by a 24V AC
portable
welder. Sometime the pavement is wet when I'm welding alone and I'm
worried.
Sometimes the glove I use is too thin not sure what will happens when my
glove rips, for example. Will I be electrocuted and die as a result?
Terry

Here's the welder http://tinyurl.com/2r6fe
itable
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Well Terry,

It's not very likely but it *is* possible. That welder inevitable came with
papers and/or booklets including warnings and safety precautions. You'd
better follow them, especially if you don't understand the working of that
welder.

IMHO you need a basic understanding of the welder to work with it. So for
short:
The welder has to cables. The welding arch is kept alive by the current that
flows from one cable to the other. The same current may kill you when it
flows through your body.

Current flow is caused by a voltage and has to flow through a resistance
(the load). The higher the voltage and/or the lower the resistance, the
higher the current. When welding, the welding arch is the load. This has a
very low resistance so the current will by high. When you are the load (so
to speak, don't try this for real) things are different. If it's a bright
summer day and you get the cable ends with one hand each, some current will
flow through your body. But the voltage is not above 37V (according to the
specifications) and your dry skin has a high resistance. The current will
be so low, you will hardly feel a thing if anything at all. If you do the
same on a rainy day, soaking wet, it may be fatal. That's because a wet skin
has a low resistance so the current will increase to fatal hights. (That's
still a thousend times lower then the current through a welding arch.) Once
again: "Don't try this at home."

So I bet one of the safety precautions you should have read, is: "Wear
insulating gloves."

And the wet pavement? Has nothing to do with it. Any danger from that has to
do with another current. *If* you did not use protective ground for your
welder *and* if the welder has a leakage from primary to secundary *and* if
your work is grounded *then* you may get 110V mains in your hand(s). So a
current may try to flow from your hand to your feet (and to the pavement.)
It's not likely to happen and less likely to be dangerous, especially as you
always use a mains outlet with protective ground. Eh?

Keep it safe.

petrus




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"Terry Moushari" <Moushari@hi.com> schreef in bericht
news:81c1646d23dab6d81c4104aa3531ebe0@news.bubbanews.com...
Is there a possibility of getting electrocuted to death by a 24V AC
portable
welder. Sometime the pavement is wet when I'm welding alone and I'm
worried.
Sometimes the glove I use is too thin not sure what will happens when my
glove rips, for example. Will I be electrocuted and die as a result?
Terry

Here's the welder http://tinyurl.com/2r6fe
itable



Well Terry,

It's not very likely but it *is* possible. That welder inevitable came
with
papers and/or booklets including warnings and safety precautions. You'd
better follow them, especially if you don't understand the working of that
welder.

IMHO you need a basic understanding of the welder to work with it. So for
short:
The welder has to cables. The welding arch is kept alive by the current
that
flows from one cable to the other. The same current may kill you when it
flows through your body.

Current flow is caused by a voltage and has to flow through a resistance
(the load). The higher the voltage and/or the lower the resistance, the
higher the current. When welding, the welding arch is the load. This has a
very low resistance so the current will by high. When you are the load (so
to speak, don't try this for real) things are different. If it's a bright
summer day and you get the cable ends with one hand each, some current
will
flow through your body. But the voltage is not above 37V (according to the
specifications) and your dry skin has a high resistance. The current will
be so low, you will hardly feel a thing if anything at all. If you do the
same on a rainy day, soaking wet, it may be fatal. That's because a wet
skin
has a low resistance so the current will increase to fatal hights. (That's
still a thousend times lower then the current through a welding arch.)
Once
again: "Don't try this at home."

So I bet one of the safety precautions you should have read, is: "Wear
insulating gloves."

And the wet pavement? Has nothing to do with it. Any danger from that has
to
do with another current. *If* you did not use protective ground for your
welder *and* if the welder has a leakage from primary to secundary *and*
if
your work is grounded *then* you may get 110V mains in your hand(s). So a
current may try to flow from your hand to your feet (and to the pavement.)
It's not likely to happen and less likely to be dangerous, especially as
you
always use a mains outlet with protective ground. Eh?

Keep it safe.

petrus
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This is excellent advice!

While it would be possible under the right conditions to receive a fatal
shock with the welder, the fact that the voltage is lower than what is
usually perceived as "dangerous" leaves a certain amount of subjectivity to
the equation. Because you do an action with a piece of equipment a number of
times, and don't get shocked may not mean it's a safe action. It could
indicate that the circumstances haven't aligned the necessary conditions for
a shock to take place.

I've read studies that indicate 10 ma @ 30 v under ideal conditions can
defib a human heart. When I read a study like that I always wonder who they
got to be the test subject. :-]

Once while evaluating the safety procedures on a skids project it was called
to my attention that on one skid some of the portable cords being used by
craftsmen were burning up. Further investigation verified that was the case,
and only on one specific skid. The cords were reduced to a charred gooey
mess. It took a while, but the common denominator was a welder with a faulty
ground clamp. Any cord providing power to someone working on that skid where
the ground conductor of the cord became common with the skid frame (metal
power tool laid on a metal surface etc.) lost the cord occasionally. Because
the issue was sporadic, and didn't happen predictably it wasn't easy to
troubleshoot.

Reading the cautionary instructions, and following them seems like the best
course of action to reduce the likelihood of an unpleasant accident.

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